What the heck does that have to do with rape and incest victims having the right to an abortion? We are talking about Herman Cain. Is he going to outlaw killing of babies in China, too? I have not read that plank of his platform.

Did you get too many four putts today and are just out of sorts? Hopefully, you can play tomorrow if it does not rain too hard. Hope you have a good evening.

I was just showing the major fault of your weak argument. You said it is not murder if the law said it isn't. The law in China forces parents to murder millions of baby girls. Murder is described by law. A country's law?

Germany made it a law to murder Jews. Was that OK because the law of the land said it is OK to murder. Your logic is false and disturbing.

As you said...MURDER is against the law. However, an abortion is legal. Ergo: IT IS NOT MURDER. =Since it is legal to kill female children in China, Ergo: IT IS NOT MURDER.
Do you agree that killing female children is not murder?

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It is not legal to kill baby girls in China. Please show me the current Chinese law stating it is legal to kill baby girls. You are both wrong on this one.

Once again, this posting is about permitting abortion in cases of rape or incest. Herman Cain said he was against abortion in cases of rape or incest. Let's stay on track.

You both have stated your opposition to abortion. Everyone understands that.

Unless you just want to have the last word and try to twist my words as much as you can, leave it alone and get a good night's sleep.

It was legal to kill Jews in Germany ERGO: IT WAS NOT MURDER. Do you agree?

It is illegal to have more then one child in China, so the government turns a blind eye when the parents kill the baby. Chinese value male child because he can work harder and can carry family name. Sometimes parents keep killing their babies until they finally get a boy. So, the government is an assessor y to murder. The government actually encourages it.

But big government people like liberals think that is OK? Cause liberal think the government is always right and the bigger government gets-makes liberals happy.

Of course not. The government says it wasn't against the law. I think your wasting your time as liberals think government is their form of God.

Also in China, there is a one child policy. After the first child, a woman who is pregnant is given a forced abortion and sterilization to prevent future "accidents" from occuring.

I didn't know that. But I guess that is why they try to keep pregnancies secret. I read about this years back, I'll have to do more research.

I never advocated anything in the application of law. My questions were only of a spiritual nature to examine personal faith in conjunction with pro-abortion convictions.

I only asked The Villager II who states pro-life beliefs in union with pro-abortion beliefs if he can justify that in relation to his proclaimed faith.

You, Ladydoc, are free to advocate the killing of babies if you wish. I can't stand in your way.

Sorry to step on the discussion.
 

The original topic regarding Herman Cain, has now morphed into something else that which should probably be another discussion thread.

Thanks for the video. For those who actually watched and listened to it, it pretty much answered everything that was discussed as problems with the 999 plan.

Well, to be fair, Buggyone presented the news story of Cain's pro-life views and that's how this conversation drifted and morphed. It's only natural.

I can argue both sides of this - but this thread shows exactly how volatile a topic abortion is.

If life begins at conception - and all life is precious and to be saved at all costs - have we thought through the consequences of this? Are we going to investigate miscarriages as possible cases of negligent homicide? If someone pushes through a law stating that a fetus has rights - will we also prosecute that fetus if it turns out that it was a surviving twin (just reading about how many babies might actually be a surviving twin who consumed/absorbed the failed twin)?

God's law? Like the law that says it's ok to kill someone of another faith, sell your family into slavery or exterminate a rival tribe - all found in the Bible? Be *very* careful with what you say. Remember - that Bible also said "rend unto Caesar what is Caesar's" - as in PAY YOUR TAXES.. And let's remember Jesus' charity towards the poor and sick - kind of against what a lot of conservatives say these days.

Yes, I've read the Bible - and there are a lot of good stories in there. There's a lot one can learn and many good examples. But let's not forget that the Bible has been used to justify atrocities for a couple of millenia now.