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Cedwards38 12-01-2017 03:27 PM
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I enjoy getting paid dividends, I bought stocks with the hope that they would be worth more as time passes...

What investment do you have with your "tax the talented hard working smart people" AND "give to the not so talented lazy idiots"?

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I don't begrudge investors a reasonable dividend. I like getting them myself in my 401K. But don't you think some of record profits of corporations in the American economy should be passed on to the workers in the middle class in the form of higher wages?

Despite Falling Unemployment, U.S. Wages Stay Stagnant : NPR

Do you really believe that only investors are "smart people" and American workers are "lazy idiots?"

Rockyrd 12-01-2017 06:33 PM
The Treasury Secretary, AND the President, for quite some time told the country that and this is a quote from Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary "over 100 people in Treasury are “working around the clock on running scenarios for us.”

Well, ANOTHER BOLD FACE LIE TO THE COUNTRY.

It appears that crucial piece of selling this tax bill was never even asked for.

Ahead of Vote, Promised Treasury Analysis of Tax Bill Proves Elusive - The New York Times

I ask again, how do you know when your President is telling us the truth.

Don Baldwin 12-01-2017 08:33 PM
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Obama's BAIL OUT added 800 Billion to debt and the GOP, including me and most of those old time posters on here supporting Trump, were apoplectic.

GOP tax bill adds ONE TRILLION, and no concern.
Obama added over $1 trillion every YEAR rocky...what are you talking about?

Rockyrd 12-01-2017 08:46 PM
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Obama added over $1 trillion every YEAR rocky...what are you talking about?
I spoke of ONE single bill..ONE bill.

You were not here at the time, but the Trump lovers on here now were simply beside themselves over that ONE bill.

You need to learn how to read, OR BETTER YET, leave this forum. You don't live here...you are an intruder.

Just go...you are a plague here. Go to wherever you live..you are not welcome in this forum.

dirtbanker 12-01-2017 09:51 PM
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CEOs have already said that they will take the windfall from this tax cut and pay shareholders in dividends, and buy back stock in order to raise the stock price and thus their executive compensation.
Sure seems like you have a problem with dividends being paid and stock prices going up...hard to believe you have a 401k with stock investments.


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dirtbanker 12-02-2017 07:15 AM
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Do you really believe that only investors are "smart people" and American workers are "lazy idiots?"
I was not speaking of American workers when I mentioned "lazy Idiots"...I was talking about people that are too lazy and stupid to get off entitlements.



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Don Baldwin 12-02-2017 07:45 AM
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I was not speaking of American workers when I mentioned "lazy Idiots"...I was talking about people that are too lazy and stupid to get off entitlements.



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Minorities who make up 90% of welfare recipients.

GO down to the welfare office if you don't believe me...see who's there collecting. Hispanics...blacks...and a few fat whites with black kids.

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Cedwards38 12-02-2017 09:12 AM
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I was not speaking of American workers when I mentioned "lazy Idiots"...I was talking about people that are too lazy and stupid to get off entitlements.



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What entitlements? Like Social Security, Medicare, Federal government and military pensions, CHIPS health insurance for children? Or are you excluding those?

Cedwards38 12-02-2017 09:14 AM
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I was not speaking of American workers when I mentioned "lazy Idiots"...I was talking about people that are too lazy and stupid to get off entitlements.



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Well I am speaking about American workers when I say that a large portion of that windfall tax gain under first Reagan and then GW Bush should have gone to the wages of American workers instead of most of it going to executive pay and share buy backs. If so, then American wages wouldn't have been stagnant for the past 30 years.

Wiotte 12-02-2017 09:21 AM
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Minorities who make up 90% of welfare recipients.



GO down to the welfare office if you don't believe me...see who's there collecting. Hispanics...blacks...and a few fat whites with black kids.


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Don Baldwin 12-02-2017 09:36 AM
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What entitlements? Like Social Security, Medicare, Federal government and military pensions, CHIPS health insurance for children? Or are you excluding those?
The ONLY entitlement in your list is CHIPS. Everyone else earned it, invested in it. Should we take your stock gains away? Interest and dividends? Deny you an insurance payout? Same principle...it's yours...you "earned" it...you DID pay into SS and medicare. Pensioners took a pay cut for a pension, it's a contract. Is there a "you don't have to work and we'll pay for you and your children forever" contract?

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ALL but 2 in that line were Hispanic...we're being invaded and nobody is telling you!

The 2 whites...probably have black kids.

dirtbanker 12-02-2017 09:52 AM
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Well I am speaking about American workers when I say that a large portion of that windfall tax gain under first Reagan and then GW Bush should have gone to the wages of American workers instead of most of it going to executive pay and share buy backs. If so, then American wages wouldn't have been stagnant for the past 30 years.
Well fvcking Obamma did $hit about that too...no blame from you to him?

If you ran a business you would have a better idea how taxes have been increased, how material costs have increased, how fuel surcharges have been applied, how the wage is not the only cost of an employee to an employer, and how stiff competition has become...if you were an investor you would understand stock prices and dividends are established more by perception than performance...but your just an ignorant woman with "feelings" that would like everyone to be rich no matter how little they did... Que Sera Sera

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Don Baldwin 12-02-2017 11:44 AM
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Well fvcking Obamma did $hit about that too...no blame from you to him?

If you ran a business you would have a better idea how taxes have been increased, how material costs have increased, how fuel surcharges have been applied, how the wage is not the only cost of an employee to an employer, and how stiff competition has become...if you were an investor you would understand stock prices and dividends are established more by perception than performance...but your just an ignorant woman with "feelings" that would like everyone to be rich no matter how little they did... Que Sera Sera

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Because MOST women do just that...ride along...first on daddy's back and then on her husbands. They USED to have children and raise them...now they have "careers" that just barely pay for "childcare" so they can be "independent". When that fails...and it often does...they just sign up for welfare and they ride the governments back. There really aren't many consequences for women...they're always bailed out. Men are left to rot.

Bog99 12-02-2017 12:35 PM
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Well fvcking Obamma did $hit about that too...no blame from you to him?

If you ran a business you would have a better idea how taxes have been increased, how material costs have increased, how fuel surcharges have been applied, how the wage is not the only cost of an employee to an employer, and how stiff competition has become...if you were an investor you would understand stock prices and dividends are established more by perception than performance...but your just an ignorant woman with "feelings" that would like everyone to be rich no matter how little they did... Que Sera Sera

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Because MOST women do just that...ride along...first on daddy's back and then on her husbands. They USED to have children and raise them...now they have "careers" that just barely pay for "childcare" so they can be "independent". When that fails...and it often does...they just sign up for welfare and they ride the governments back. There really aren't many consequences for women...they're always bailed out. Men are left to rot.



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