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Guest 09-25-2009 07:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 226710)
Colagal, what will it take for you to give up the cutesy lines ending with LOL, and actually discuss the issue using logic and facts?

I think that I have....I researched exactly what the Chicks said and looked at what Palin said. Neither of them were a direct attack. But the response has been completely different.

Also I might stop using LOL if some people will stop using the Barf and Cus icons.

Guest 09-25-2009 09:58 PM

I can't believe
 
that after being off political for a while that I'd come back to find out everyone is still arguing over Palin! Iran has announced a new nuke processing facility, the Oval office is not supporting the generals in Afghanistan, there is news today about tax credits for people with pets (whats that all about). This is the only time I can agree with the words "Move ON". Find something of substance to talk about, be you left, right, centerest or green.

Guest 09-25-2009 10:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 226861)
that after being off political for a while that I'd come back to find out everyone is still arguing over Palin! Iran has announced a new nuke processing facility, the Oval office is not supporting the generals in Afghanistan, there is news today about tax credits for people with pets (whats that all about). This is the only time I can agree with the words "Move ON". Find something of substance to talk about, be you left, right, centerest or green.


the Oval office is not supporting the generals in Afghanistan, ????? they just asked today for 40,000 more troops. And the Army doesn't have em till we draw down in Iraq.

Tax credits and pets? And Move On is way to liberal for me.

Guest 09-25-2009 11:49 PM

Sarah is a well liked conservative, christian, pro-life, mother and business woman and the left hates her because of it. It wasn't two days after she she was announced as the VP running mate that left started in. Went after her, her husband and her family straight away. And still are to this day.

Watch who the left demonize. Those are the one's that worry them them most... politicly.

Conservatives generally go after policy. The left generally goes after the person.

They don't have an intellectual common sense leg to stand on so they demonize the person. That's their play book... their only play book.

Sara pollutes the earth and Cheney is evil. That's really all they can muster up.

Guest 09-25-2009 11:57 PM

May I Disagree
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 226731)
I think that I have....I researched exactly what the Chicks said and looked at what Palin said. Neither of them were a direct attack. But the response has been completely different.

Also I might stop using LOL if some people will stop using the Barf and Cus icons.

I went back and researched the incident in question. There is no doubt that Maines did directly attack then President Bush as reported in the Guardian. However, subsequent statements by Maines and President Bush have been overlooked. Here is what was said in March and April of '03.

London on March 10, 2003, at the Shepherd's Bush Empire theatre in England, during the introduction to their song "Travelin' Soldier", Natalie Maines, a Texas native, said: “Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.”

The comment about United States President George W. Bush, who served as the 46th Governor of Texas from 1995 to 2000 before his election to the Presidency, was reported in The Guardian's review of the Chicks concert as an attack on President Bush.

To her great credit, Maines issued an apology on March 14: "As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect. We are currently in Europe and witnessing a huge anti-American sentiment as a result of the perceived rush to war. While war may remain a viable option, as a mother, I just want to see every possible alternative exhausted before children and American soldiers' lives are lost. I love my country. I am a proud American.”

President Bush responded to the controversy in an interview with Tom Brokaw on April 24:
“The Dixie Chicks are free to speak their mind. They can say what they want to say ...they shouldn't have their feelings hurt just because some people don't want to buy their records when they speak out ... Freedom is a two-way street ... I don't really care what the Dixie Chicks said. I want to do what I think is right for the American people, and if some singers or Hollywood stars feel like speaking out, that's fine. That's the great thing about America. It stands in stark contrast to Iraq ...

IMHO, it should have ended there. Maines had apologized for her off the cuff remarks. Bush had, in turn, emphasized the importance of free speech for all Americans.

Unfortunately, it did not end there. CW fans, enraged by what was perceived as an attack on their country, did not take into consideration Maines’ apology or Bush’s upholding of free speech for all Americans. Maines, apparently embittered by repeated attacks, was later to go on the attack against President Bush.

This was a great loss for the American people. While I am conservative, I have enjoyed the talents of many artists that I believe to be hard left – among them Barbara Streisand, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, PP&M and yes, The Dixie Chicks.

Maines apology should remind those of us who are of a conservative bent of the respect we owe the office of the President and our more liberal friends of the respect they should have, and should continue to show for President Bush and VP Cheney.

Guest 09-26-2009 06:17 AM

Great for sarah
 
All this discussion about Sarah is so good for her.

Bush was treated like this when he first ran for President and he won twice.

Guest 09-26-2009 07:58 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 226861)
that after being off political for a while that I'd come back to find out everyone is still arguing over Palin! Iran has announced a new nuke processing facility, the Oval office is not supporting the generals in Afghanistan, there is news today about tax credits for people with pets (whats that all about). This is the only time I can agree with the words "Move ON". Find something of substance to talk about, be you left, right, centerest or green.

Isnt it amazing !!!

You can have threads on here about Afghanistan, Iran, N Korea, health care, cap and trade, etc and it APPEARS that they only input from the "left" is if you start a thread about Palin or as in this case if they start the thread !

There are complaints filed that this board is so anti Obama but those who support him rely only on bashing the past President or Palin !

Guest 09-26-2009 08:01 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 226865)
the Oval office is not supporting the generals in Afghanistan, ????? they just asked today for 40,000 more troops. And the Army doesn't have em till we draw down in Iraq.

Tax credits and pets? And Move On is way to liberal for me.

Could you please supply a link or something to validate your comment...

"And the Army doesn't have em till we draw down in Iraq."

Thanks

I was under the impression that the strategy....never really defined just called "strategy"....announced in March is under review and the request for more troops is on hold until the WH makes a decision on a new strategy !

Apprecaite your help on the Iraq holding back the troops thing !

Guest 09-26-2009 08:06 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 226865)
the Oval office is not supporting the generals in Afghanistan, ????? they just asked today for 40,000 more troops. And the Army doesn't have em till we draw down in Iraq.

Tax credits and pets? And Move On is way to liberal for me.

The generals asked for more troops but OB wants to rethink our strategy in Afghanistan . He did not support the generals, instead he's second guessing them.

Tax credits for pets? That was on a ABC affiliate news program yesterday. The feds are thinking about up to a $3500 credit for pet owners, because some now have to decide between food for their pets or themselves. DAH! I didn't make that up!

I only meant the use of the words Move On, not the organization. Glad to see that they're to far left for you though.

Guest 09-26-2009 09:23 AM

The difference between the Bush bashers usual position
 
was/is as long as it is Bush (or Palin or Cheney or who ever) no matter the subject...the result is a character/party bashing. When a question is asked about an Obama position....or if one disagrees with an Obama position, statement or what ever....that is interpreted by the same bashers as bashing Obama. The questions usually have nothing to do with his character or person (or color)....just the issue.....but most of the Obama supporters ALWAYS take the position of any non conformance is bashing.

The other cinsistency is the Obama supporters, to date, will never present their case for why they are in support of a given Obama issue being challenged....NONE to date. And the ongoing question....now why is that???

btk

Guest 09-26-2009 10:17 AM

That's because when you look at the actual policy there is no substantive or common sense argument that supports it. That's always been the lefts MO. Kill the messenger and you kill the message. When you argue strictly the message liberalism looses every time. It looses because it fails every time it's tried.

Guest 09-26-2009 01:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 226909)
was/is as long as it is Bush (or Palin or Cheney or who ever) no matter the subject...the result is a character/party bashing. When a question is asked about an Obama position....or if one disagrees with an Obama position, statement or what ever....that is interpreted by the same bashers as bashing Obama. The questions usually have nothing to do with his character or person (or color)....just the issue.....but most of the Obama supporters ALWAYS take the position of any non conformance is bashing.

The other cinsistency is the Obama supporters, to date, will never present their case for why they are in support of a given Obama issue being challenged....NONE to date. And the ongoing question....now why is that???

btk

Unfortunately this post is right on !

I always wonder why supporters of our President NEVER say why except in platitudes, NEVER about what he has done or what he is doing....ONLY his words that never translate to action.

And you are correct...if you disagree with the policy you are attacking the man...it is very predictable !

Guest 09-27-2009 08:07 AM

race card
 
Also if you disagree with Obama you are a racist.

Guest 09-27-2009 02:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 226899)
Could you please supply a link or something to validate your comment...

"And the Army doesn't have em till we draw down in Iraq."

Thanks

I was under the impression that the strategy....never really defined just called "strategy"....announced in March is under review and the request for more troops is on hold until the WHO makes a decision on a new strategy !

Appreciate your help on the Iraq holding back the troops thing !


Bucco...It was discussed on The News Hour so that is where I got it. They also talked about the Army needing 6 months for training and the Marines 3 months. We have been in Iraq and Afghanistan for a long time now .... my nephew is gearing up for his 5th tour, Marines and the other will be sent for his 1st tour this summer, Army Reserves.

Today on The Week they discussed military equipment....the bad shape that it is in. But I will look for a link.

Guest 09-27-2009 02:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 227054)
Bucco...It was discussed on The News Hour so that is where I got it. They also talked about the Army needing 6 months for training and the Marines 3 months. We have been in Iraq and Afghanistan for a long time now .... my nephew is gearing up for his 5th tour, Marines and the other will be sent for his 1st tour this summer, Army Reserves.

Today on The Week they discussed military equipment....the bad shape that it is in. But I will look for a link.

I would appreciate that very much as I have never heard this from any source, but based on your post will do some searching at a few military sites


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