Thx for your input on this topic. I am sure they appreciate you sticking up for them.

THEY ?

Are you a member of some elite group that none of us can belong to ?

Listen, I have NEVER EVER NOT ONCE criticized President Obama on a personal level...NOT ONE TIME, and I want you to do a search and check it out.

I HAVE NEVER EVER crticized nor even mentioned his race unless someone else brought it up...NEVER..NOT ONCE.

I have NEVER EVER mentioned his family, his wife or his children.

I have only crticized his idealogy and his training and background RELATIVE to becoming the President of the US !!!

Now, your first words in response to a post which was mostly from a printed article...was...

"The venom still keeps coming out of you."

That was the first thing you said and then you followed it up with this...

"your agenda and feelings about Obama are very simple to understand. you can cover it up with all the rhetoric you want to, but the underlying sentiment is as plain as the nose on your face."

I can only assume you are bringing up race or some other issue that you have and if that is what it is...SAY IT....If I had a problem with that issue I would say it !!!

Please...if you want to support the President, then do it.....we could use somebody to come on here who supports him and tell everyone WHY...
but...

To simply begin by blasting me because I dont agree with your politics is just plain wrong....I have been very consistent since last spring and summer on how I feel. It has not changed. Has your zeal changed any ?

Tell everyone why you support the President....stop simply tearing into those who dont !

Best thing I have seen posted.....:beer3:

You MUST be joking.....You have critized Obama on every level possible.

As the old saying goes..."Me thinks you doth protest too much"

THAT YOU WILL NEED TO SHOW ME !

One post where I criticized him personaly, his family, his children or his race or religion !!!!

Will wait for your response !

Are you saying that your against criticizing a president of the USA? Has any criticism been aimed at the previous president?

Bucco, it looks like your antagonist is attempting to wax poetic ..... although I believe the line was actually, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Whatever. I enjoy a well turned phrase or verse....especially if it used to make a point.

I always liked Kipling. These few lines seem relevent and appropriate at this moment.

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,.......

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! :beer3:

With apologies to Rudyard Kipling.

Keedy.......sometimes YOU scare me. :mademyday:

How many times have you talked about his church? That would be his religion.

Criticizing is one thing....but much of this goes way beyond criticizing.

There are claims he is a socialist, leftist, Muslim, terrorist.....some people believe he isn't an American citizen. The list is endless and constant.

I opposed Bush and his war....I didn't and still don't believe he was elected instead anointed by the Supreme Court. But he was the president for 8 years no matter what I thought. I didn't get on a website every day raging against the President. Was I upset about wire tapping? Yes Torture? Yes. The War. Yes.

Those are selected points.....

Selective points, huh?
There is legitimate reasons to question and be very scared of Obama.
He has never showed his original birth certificate.
He didn't spend his formative years growing up in America so culturally he is not American
He has spent half his life aligned with radical extremists who hate America and has refused to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
He wants to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector...so yes he is a socialist.
He will not listen or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
He has never run a company or met a payroll.
He blames America for everything and delivers this message abroad.

He is the most arrogant and self-important hypocrite I have ever seen as a POTUS and I will beat that drum every day for the next 3 1/2 years until he is replaced by a responsible American.


********* This list is from my own research and my own opinion. It is 100% typed and no cut and paste.

Cologal, you say you dont believe he won the election, in 2000. Every recount done, by both Republicans and Democats, showed Bush to be the winner. Don't forget, also, that the media called Florida for Gore before the polls closed, in the Panhandle. Three polls were conducted by Republicans, Democrats and an Independent poll. They all showed that it cost Bush 10,000 votes. This would have changed the whole picture, not only in Florida, but the rest of the country where the polls had hours to go before closing. I really think there should be a law against exit polling and reporting results until all polls, across the country, have closed.

Republic Machinations & the Fear of Truth
 

"I am not far left, as you put it. My point is, that is seems ok for people on here to attack Obama, or whoever for what they say and do. But, when someone wants to say something about THEM, by what we see in their posts, then it is an attack. What is the difference? Again, it's a double standard. Also, unless you are in the inner circle, I don't care how much you read, you are still at the will of the press as to what you ACTUALLY know. For people to post on here, and say they know this or that, are tunnel-visioned. If you have thin skin, and can't take when someone disagrees with your post, or sees something in your post that gives them an opinion of you, that's too bad. How do you think YOU get an opinion of a president? By the same way, hearing reports, reading articles, etc etc. So, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Don't expect everyone to agree with the way you think. "

Bravo RCT!!

Of course one of the reactionary's best tools is to attack the public official "ad hominem" personally, but then become "personally" offended when one raises the possibility that point.

Sarah Palin is the master at this: Attacks everyone and everything she says she hates, calling them all sorts of ad hominen names: liars, socialists, Marxists,elites, anti-Americans, and anti-Christian (in other words Jews) and then screams when the press don;t kow-tow to her manipulating message.

She then parades her kids everywhere while bragging about their strong family values & then resents when people raise questions about her promiscuous daughter or their two drug/alcohol abusing minors. (I'm not counting Letterman, whose joke about A-Rod, not her daughter, was way over the line of decency.)

Let's face it- a certain fringe group is angry and won't accept Obama's win no matter what. How do you identify them. Simple:

-Obama's not a citizen
-Obama's a Muslim
-Obama's church minister's opinions
-"Socialist"
-America "hater" or "apologist"
-Tea bagging
-Favors regressive Consumption tax, so called "Fair Tax"

If you see any one of these, and I'm sure I left out others, you're bound to find fringe individuals basically parrotting the words of Limbaugh, Coulter, Boortz or other dittoheads. In fact, they're proud to be called "dittoheads"- meaning they have no need to think, just repeat verbatim the lines they hear from the "new" leadership of the Republic/Conservative leadership.

Not that there is ANYONE here that falls into this category. Just thought I'd share my observations.

There are many ways to present ones case.
 

Anecdotal. Paraphrase. Direct quote. Links. Cut and paste. And my favorite....when some one presents researched facts and sources to parry a visceral verbal diatribe.

btk

Of Course, There Are Differing Points Of View...
 

...regarding the President's qualifications, what he's accomplished in the first six months of his administration (some good and some bad IMHO), and even why he is pushing the healthcare bill at such a pace?

Did anyone ever consider that President Obama wanted to get badly-needed legislation passed that had been thoughtfully prepared over several months by his administration? By doing so he would minimize the fiddling with the content by 435 self-serving legislators and thousands more special interest lobbyists trying to get their clients "taken care of" in addition to--or instead of--the American public?

People might say that the 435 are simply doing "the people's work". But any lucid observer might have another differing opinion...that for the most part they serve the moneyed special interests and have had the people's work low on their priority lists for years. For me, I just as soon have a thoughtfully prepared bill that avoids that sort of manipulation by the "electeds", who haven't maintained our trust in years, driven by their wealthy lobbyist backers. Even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it. Pushing for a timely up-or-down vote on a thoughtfully-prepared bill is totally consistent with our Constitution, and in this case smart politics.

Just a slightly different point-of-view.