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Guest 06-28-2012 01:45 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513289)
Just before an election in a country that Vice President Biden just yesterday said is in a middle-class depression, The Supreme Court has ruled that ObamaCare is now ObamaTax, and literally the largest tax increase in the history of the world.

The largest tax increase in history in this failed Obama economy.

I would hold back on the cheering if I were you. You might want to think about this.

This November this ObamaCare/ObamaTax is all he's going to be running on. This and the collapsing economy.

Reference please for "the largest tax increase in the history of the world" I have not read the law, perhaps you can tell me what the "tax" penalty is for someone who does not obtain health insurance, how many Americans are projected to be paying that tax, and how that increase government revenue stacks up against such things as the increase in SocSec taxes signed by Reagan. A good place to start might be to look at the experience in Massachusetts where Romneycare has been in effect several years with it's identical individual mandate backed by a tax penalty for failure to comply. How is that working out for the citizens and taxpayers of Massachusetts? I am not arguing whether or not Romneycare has saved money, just interested in resolving the tax increase potential of the ACA.

Guest 06-28-2012 01:48 PM

Now its all the more reason to vote for Romney

Guest 06-28-2012 01:51 PM

I think the post that had"largest tax increase" is a lie and cannot be proven. Not everyone will even pay the tax. Please facts not lies!

Guest 06-28-2012 01:55 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513297)
Now its all the more reason to vote for Romney




Yea, ROMNEYCARE for the nation.

Guest 06-28-2012 01:57 PM

I have a question....simple one at this point.....if someone can help please...

1. How does this affect illegal immigrants who come to the emergency room? Who and how are they paid for ?

2. Can someone explain the "tax" that is imposed on business with 50 or more employees ?

Really not being political.....just trying to figure out how this thing ever gets paid for !!!!

Thanks to whomever

Guest 06-28-2012 01:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513206)
Have you studied the clearly projected costs of health care without the Affordable Care Act; the rapidly increasing number who will not have it, and whose costs will be paid by you and me?
Believe me, I could go on and on asking you about the implications of continuing health care as we know it versus solving problems one at a time with the very good beginning structure which is is now provided.

I know people who don't have health insurance NOW and can't afford the $270 per person/per month to get the cheapest insurance available in the state of Florida's Medicaid/mandated state pool. That $270 comes with a $2000 deductible, a $500 deductible for prescriptions, limited doctors who participate and other restrictions.

What part of that does this solve?

Guest 06-28-2012 02:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513307)
I know people who don't have health insurance NOW and can't afford the $270 per person/per month to get the cheapest insurance available in the state of Florida's Medicaid/mandated state pool. That $270 comes with a $2000 deductible, a $500 deductible for prescriptions, limited doctors who participate and other restrictions.

What part of that does this solve?

What is offered now has nothing to do with what will be available in 2014 when the law takes effect.

The mandate is not a "tax" within the meaning of the Anti-Injunction Act, according to the SCOTUS Blog.


http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/so...idual-mandate/

Guest 06-28-2012 02:08 PM

In addition to the questions already I cannot find answers, non political at least to, allow me to add this one.....this is from 2010 but to my knowledge this is still part of the bill.....can someone expound a bit...

"If you are an undocumented immigrant you will not be subject to the individual insurance mandate and you will not be fined if you fail to purchase health insurance, nor will you be allowed to enroll in Medicaid or buy insurance in the health insurance exchange, says Herrick.

However, hospital emergency rooms will not be able to deny you health care if you are in need. What makes this surprising is that the most common argument for an individual mandate is that the uninsured should have to contribute to their own health care instead of getting it for free in the emergency room. This is why U.S. citizens will be required to pay hefty fines if they do not obtain insurance. If you are here illegally, however, you get to escape that penalty, says Herrick. "


How Do Illegal Immigrants Fare Under ObamaCare?

Guest 06-28-2012 02:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513310)
What is offered now has nothing to do with what will be available in 2014 when the law takes effect.

The mandate is not a "tax" within the meaning of the Anti-Injunction Act, according to the SCOTUS Blog.


http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/so...idual-mandate/

What will be offered in 2014, janmcn? Will it be cheaper and better? I don't see how that would be possible.

Guest 06-28-2012 02:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513316)
What will be offered in 2014, janmcn? Will it be cheaper and better? I don't see how that would be possible.

Why not? What do you see happening?

Guest 06-28-2012 02:19 PM

I think the pool will stay the same or get more expensive. My understanding is that Obamacare is going to provide subsidies through taxpayer funding for people whom can't afford the premiums for the pool.

Why would it get better and cheaper and the coverage get better? What do you see happening that I don't?

Guest 06-28-2012 02:22 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513295)
Reference please for "the largest tax increase in the history of the world" I have not read the law, perhaps you can tell me what the "tax" penalty is for someone who does not obtain health insurance, how many Americans are projected to be paying that tax, and how that increase government revenue stacks up against such things as the increase in SocSec taxes signed by Reagan. A good place to start might be to look at the experience in Massachusetts where Romneycare has been in effect several years with it's identical individual mandate backed by a tax penalty for failure to comply. How is that working out for the citizens and taxpayers of Massachusetts? I am not arguing whether or not Romneycare has saved money, just interested in resolving the tax increase potential of the ACA.

All the costs of this, the biggest spending bill in history, are now validated as taxes the by the Supreme Court.

It's self explanatory.

Guest 06-28-2012 02:22 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513318)
I think the pool will stay the same or get more expensive. My understanding is that Obamacare is going to provide subsidies through taxpayer funding for people whom can't afford the premiums for the pool.

Why would it get better and cheaper and the coverage get better? What do you see happening that I don't?

I'm not schooled on it. Just looking for what people see or may actually know. Insight I guess is what I'm looking for. Thanks for yours.

Guest 06-28-2012 02:52 PM

BHO said no one making less than $250K/yr would have taxes increased. Now that lie is blown. He said you can keep your Dr. that lie is blown.

Companies will drop medical coverage as the "tax" is cheaper. Employees have to find some bargain basement insurance that their current Dr. probably won't accept, if he has not retired. Look what happened with Medicare D, companies dropped their retirees prescription coverage.

Medicare wiped out retirees employer provided health insurance.

All this is is a way to make people more dependendent on the Government.

Sell your health insurance stock!

Guest 06-28-2012 02:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 513316)
What will be offered in 2014, janmcn? Will it be cheaper and better? I don't see how that would be possible.

That would be an excellent question for your congressman, and, as luck would have it, he or she will be on another week's recess all next week so you should be able he reach him/her in their home district with no problem.


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