I doubt that this guy was a true follower of Jesus, or a true PRO-LIFER. His actions do not meet the definition of a Christian Fundamentalist.

People who talk about the Crusades are dealers in antiquity. How many hundreds of years ago was that? (The Crusades did turn back Islam from it's dreams of world conquest, so maybe we should be examining it after all) But it's not the modern day Church and hasn't been for hundreds of years.

Also to bring up one guy, or even two guys, who are bad actors and happen to be Christian or have a warped idea of Christianity is still stupid as it doesn't reflect a Christian tenet.

Nazi's???...........seriously, Nazi's???...........Are you saying that the Fascist Nazi's attempt at world domination and the extermination of all who weren't Aryan was a "Christian Movement".............are you really trying to make that correlation????

Now Islam, there you have a religion that preaches the destruction of all that isn't part of their religion. It preaches the death of all who would leave that religion. To equate this violent religion with modern day Christianity is indicative of an ignorance of great proportion.

Play-offs? Play-offs?....Are you kidding me? ... Play-offs? :doh:

Richie: Hitler often used Christianity in his speeches. Among other things, Jews were considered the tools of Satan and to be persecuted for killing Christ.

From Mein Kampf:
From the German Worker's Party (pre-Nazi name) 25-point "Programme":
From Hitler's speech in Munich on 4/12/1922:
I could go on.

One major difference, though, is that many Christians rose up to defeat this guy - self-policing, if you will. There's not nearly enough of that in Islam - at least not yet.

You certainly could go on! Go ahead and quote Adolf's wicked book all day long, if you like. It is just another example of a false sheperd leading sheep astray. That doesn't change the fact that none of the quotes are in line with sound Biblical doctrine...hence, you can call the Nazis rhodedenrums, but don't expect them to ever pollinate!

Big freakin' deal!!........Was Hitler endorsed by the Church???

Get real DJ.

Some argue that Pius XII's silence was an endorsement. Just throwing that out. No opinion on it myself.

Richie: Which one?

The Catholic church who have never really lived down their silence on the matter? (To be fair, I'm not sure what to really make of that)

He said he was Christian - and got a lot of people following him in a very Christian country. Of course he's not what most people think of when they think of the "typical Christian" - but my point was that just wearing the label "Christian" doesn't make you better than others.

If I remember the passage correctly - "by their actions, ye shall know them".

So maybe they should have destroyed the Church as well as the Third Reich? What in blazes are you talking about? To equate Nazi Germany with the Church is a despicable thing.

Wearing the "label" of Christian doesn't even make you a Christian.
1 Samuel 16:77 But the Lord said..., “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees;[a] for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Being a Christian doesn't mak you better than others either.
Romans 3:22-24
22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

The passage you seek regarding knowing us by our actions is possibly this one.
John 13:3535 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

I think that Pope John II apologized for their lack of action during the Holocaust. However, the Church is an organization comprised of many members. Each one of these Christians have choices to make each day. Many Christians lost their lives to defending and hiding Jews, smuggling them to freedom, etc. Get a copy of Bonhoeffer, the biography of a Lutheran pastor who was executed by the Third Reich for his work to help Jews. Read the Hiding Place, an autobiography of a 54 year old Dutch lady, Corrie Ten Boom. She and her 80 year old father and 60 year old sister provide food, hiding and smuggled Jews out of Nazi occupied Holland. They were Christians in the Dutch Reformed Church. Both her father and sister died in the camps, but Corrie survived almost 2 years doing hard labor. When she was released, she lived to be 90 years old, travelling the world telling of the love of God. After the war was over, she met a former Nazi soldier who asked her for forgiveness. Which she gave to him!

My question is this-Which one of us would stand against the persecution of our Jewish neighbors? Which one of us would risk it all for the life of our neighbor or even a wrongly persecuted stranger in our midst? I for one cannot say what I would do, and I hope that I never am faced with the choice. Therefore, I have no right to judge the Catholic church, heirarchy OR common members, for whatever their response was, when they watched idlely by as their friends, neighbors, countrymen were herded off in the middle of the night and never seen again.

Here's another scripture reference for you-When the men brought an adulterous woman to Jesus to seek her punishment, Jesus looked at them all and ...John 8:7-11 He said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

where did you ever get that idea?

I presume that you will agree that sharia law is radical and bad?

Islam is sharia law. Ergo Islam is radical and bad.

I think it's that simple.

Uh...just my attempt at sarcasm..

Not knowing all about Sharia law, I can't comment. The closest thing I *do* know a *little* about would be some of the Jewish kashrut (learned by osmosis from working for an observant Jew and becoming friends with him and his family over the course of 7 years).

There are aspects of Sharia law I've heard of that are clearly over the line. But, there's nothing wrong with writing a business contract stipulating, for example, that work will only be done during certain hours.

It goes over the line when stipulations start violating someone's rights - especially those that the court says you cannot sign away (as an example, you cannot sell yourself into slavery in this country).

The Bible itself has verses stating when it's ok to sell your kids into slavery and when you're allowed to stone your wife to death. If someone looked at that and said "Bible bad, Bible is Christianity, therefore Christianity bad", you'd disagree - with good reason.

Sharia doesn't apply to me and I will oppose any effort to make it so. The same holds true for the kashrut and many of the things in the Bible.