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Guest 10-01-2008 06:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 163517)
How racist can you be? Ifill was picked last year before Obama was even the candidate. Her book was already in the works. She hasn't even written the chapter on Obama yet. It goes back over forty years. She was selected by both parties because of her impartial background. You would never question a whilte moderator who was writing a book about politics. Anything to try and slant things your way. Why don't you just say what is really bothering you about her.


I TOTALLY resent and am TOTALLY OFFENDED YOU YOUR REMARKS.

Who do you think you are to call me a racist......This post is so very offensive....it is typical however to call names and call folks racist in this campaign so I should not be surprised at all.

I am so disgusted that anyone could come on here and make such an offensive and general condemnation of people they dont even know !!!

This is a low point on here

Guest 10-01-2008 06:27 PM

Chels, I believe the only thing most Republicans want is an even playing field. The voting public would appreciate it as well. McCain handled the issue with dignity and class. You might say he was downright presidential.

On the other hand, liberal democrats and their media accomplices want the wind at their back, sole possession of the ball, blindfolds on the opposition, the referee in their pocket and no wheelchairs in the stadium.

How 'bout those Phillies?

Guest 10-01-2008 06:34 PM

Bucco - I am sorry you took offense at my post. I am saying I don't think this would be an issue if she were white. She has been interviewed today and McCain has even said he doesn't see a problem, yet this link starts to question her integrity.

Guest 10-01-2008 06:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 163525)
Bucco - I am sorry you took offense at my post. I am saying I don't think this would be an issue if she were white. She has been interviewed today and McCain has even said he doesn't see a problem, yet this link starts to question her integrity.

Well I was offended by your arrogance and self absorbance.....I said in this thread I thought she would be objective...I said in this thread that I have watched her and never saw any problems......

The questions raised in this thread are legitimate.....If Gov Palin's hobbies and her children can be taken to task and personally slammed all over this place then the moderator of a debate for Vice President should also be discussed and if you read instead of just yelling racist you would have seen that most of the chagrin was that the McCain camp did not know.

This is what is making this election so demeaning, so unamerican.....your calling everyone on this thread a racist pales to the same claims made by our national press to ANY critique or hard question to Sen Obama. I, personally, dont care if he is red, green or purple...he is a radical left wing socialist and has the potential to be extremely destructive to this nation. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME A RACIST AND I know I am ranting here but I am getting tired of the personal attacks on here if you dont agree with someone elses candidates...it is arrogant and shows such elitism. There are those who can ignore it but for me I cant...I have to vent and have...sorry for the length and the rambling !

Guest 10-01-2008 07:01 PM

Then toss me into the same "pot" because I too am against a national debate moderator with probable conflict of interest, and the moderator should have the common sense to recuse herself. If this person were a mediator in a disputed matter, recusal would be the only ethical thing to do in such a circumstance. This debate - an obvious dispute on issues - is no different.

I had no idea whether this particular moderator was white, black, yellow, brown or pin-stripe, nor did it even enter my mind. That has nothing to do with it. This moderator from here on out will be looked as being an opportunist who is using this forum to promote her self interest (namely, an upcoming book which has now been highly referenced) for increased sales. Recusal may (or may not) result in fewer book sales, but recusal is the ethical thing to do. The debate will be stained by having a moderator with perceived bias, and that does neither candidate any good.

But, ethics is becoming so old-fashioned....

So, if expecting people, regardless of ethnicity, to act ethically is racist, I guess I can be called the "R" name as well.

Guest 10-01-2008 08:44 PM

She is a well respected journalist, with decades of experience. I have no doubt she'll be professional in her treatment of both candidates. Interesting to note, Ifill discussed the book in a interview with The Washington Post on September 4, well before the Commission on Presidential Debates announced the debate moderators. The McCain camp should have been aware had they done their homework, and acted accordingly. In any event, if Palin is worth her salt, she'll hold up her end in the debate.

Guest 10-01-2008 09:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 163539)
Then toss me into the same "pot" because I too am against a national debate moderator with probable conflict of interest, and the moderator should have the common sense to recuse herself. If this person were a mediator in a disputed matter, recusal would be the only ethical thing to do in such a circumstance. This debate - an obvious dispute on issues - is no different.

I had no idea whether this particular moderator was white, black, yellow, brown or pin-stripe, nor did it even enter my mind. That has nothing to do with it. This moderator from here on out will be looked as being an opportunist who is using this forum to promote her self interest (namely, an upcoming book which has now been highly referenced) for increased sales. Recusal may (or may not) result in fewer book sales, but recusal is the ethical thing to do. The debate will be stained by having a moderator with perceived bias, and that does neither candidate any good.

But, ethics is becoming so old-fashioned....

So, if expecting people, regardless of ethnicity, to act ethically is racist, I guess I can be called the "R" name as well.

:agree::agree::agree::agree:

I had no idea that she was black!! Once I started reading more about her...well I figured it out....but honestly...the whole point of the thread was that she was clearly an Obama fan...black, white, red or purple....



On another note: I also know that Bucco did his homework and found that he felt comfortable with the decision....he came back after checking her out and told us she might just do a good job....

I appreciate all of the information on this thread...it will make the debates interesting to watch....I think if conn8757 had not called us racists...I may not have even known she was black until the debate started....and even then...I may not have noticed.....I think most of us see beyond color now a days.....it just doesn't really matter anymore....people are people....good or bad....educated or not....doesn't matter the color....what matters is the heart, soul and mind....ethics and leadership skills. Just my opinion. Thanks for listening...sort of...

Guest 10-01-2008 09:12 PM

rekop, your point is well taken but it cuts both ways....the The Commission on Presidential Debates should also have been aware of the potential conflict for the same reason. I don't know how anyone can watch Ifill's reaction to the Palin's convention speech and say she is objective. She couldn't control her disdain on camera. She is too much in the Obama tank to be objective.

That being said, Sarah will do just fine knowing where Ifill is coming from.

Guest 10-01-2008 10:44 PM

This is Laughable!
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 163598)
rekop, your point is well taken but it cuts both ways....the The Commission on Presidential Debates should also have been aware of the potential conflict for the same reason. I don't know how anyone can watch Ifill's reaction to the Palin's convention speech and say she is objective. She couldn't control her disdain on camera. She is too much in the Obama tank to be objective.

That being said, Sarah will do just fine knowing where Ifill is coming from.

Where is Ifill coming from? She should recuse herself? OMG! Have you all gone over the edge! The bar is set so low for Palin already, for her to look bad she'd really have to do something stupid. She's been coddled and pampered and prepped like no other candidate in history. If you were honest, you'd admit that no one would be good enough or fair enough to please any of the Republicans. Brings to mind that old saying "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." Let the oinks begin! :duck:

Guest 10-02-2008 07:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 163625)
Where is Ifill coming from? She should recuse herself? OMG! Have you all gone over the edge! The bar is set so low for Palin already, for her to look bad she'd really have to do something stupid. She's been coddled and pampered and prepped like no other candidate in history. If you were honest, you'd admit that no one would be good enough or fair enough to please any of the Republicans. Brings to mind that old saying "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." Let's the oinks begin! :duck:

The same situation would hold true if it were a debate between the heads of the DNC and the RNC on their respective platforms. Moderators with an obvious political bias should not moderate political events under the guise of "journalistic neutrality." That's where professional ethics come into play.

Guest 10-02-2008 07:57 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 163361)
Don't expect a fair, impartial moderator for the debate. Gwen Ifill, the moderator chosen by the Commission of Debates, is in the tank for Obama. She has a pro-Obama book coming out about the time of the inaugaration and an Obama win would help sales. Three words occur to me, conflict of interest. Can you imagine the democratic left's outcry if Sean Hannity was selected as the moderator.

The link attached is from a conservative commentator. If you will scroll down the page there is a video of the "impartial" Gwen Ifill's reaction to Sarah Palin's convention speech. Nothing like video where the camera will not conceal the truth from the lying eyes of those that would try to spin this one. UNBELIEVABLE.

Tim Russert, we miss you.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/30...ank-for-obama/

Reguardless, if indeed they tanked it for obama we will know. all i want to know, was Katie Couric's interview with Palin tanked also? or was that fact she sided with Obama on Pakistan then at McCain's statement it was just a voter she was talking to tanked also????????? Things that make you go HHHUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Guest 10-02-2008 11:11 AM

Gwen Ifill has experience with VP debates.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Ifill

I do not see any Democrat conspiracy theory here with the choice of Gwen Ifill as moderator in tonight's VP debate.

Guest 10-02-2008 11:20 AM

Tal.....Wikipedia aside, can you view this clip of Ms. Ifill and say she was neutral? I think not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zafL...ank-for-obama/

Guest 10-02-2008 11:28 AM

It's not difficult to see that if Palin does poorly in the debates, it won't be her fault. Bless her heart. People are already excusing her because of the moderator.

Guest 10-02-2008 11:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 163446)
The expectation of how Gov. Palin will do Friday night will be mighty low after her "performance" with Katie Couric. Here is the exact exchange for one question:

COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
(What in the world did she say?)

I think she said "I'm so darn nervous that my tongue just disconnected from my brain" . I think at this point Couric was even nervous. I was impressed with the excitement she brought to the convention and the bump she gave the party... but... I'm afraid this is too much.... too fast. And, when the media smells blood...


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