The pick of Paul Ryan is so laughable that I thought it was a spoof.

His crazy ideas with Social Security and Medicare will turn off the Florida voters 100%. Those same ideas also will not play with the younger voters.

By not picking Portman, Romney sacrificed Ohio.

By not picking Rubio, Romney sacrificed all the possible Cuban-American votes in Florida as well as already not having the rest of the Hispanic vote.

Now, the senior citizen vote, younger American vote, Hispanic vote, Democrat vote, thinking women vote, over 50% of the Independent vote, Black vote, and even some free-thinking Republican votes - the Democrats are sure to win in November.

When David Axelrod and his team gets done with all of these groups, it is really going to be a great campaign!

The Democrats would have attacked Ryan's proposals as embraced by Romney whether romneychose Ryan or not. Bucco is spot on inexpaling that Romney's choice is a serious and adult choice. It may beamusing to for Democrats to show Ryan throwing granny off a cliff but it adds nothing to serious and much needed discussion about America's economic priorities.

Obama despises Ryan because Obama doesn't understand the economy. for instance he talks about classes as if that is a static lael. A worker can go from rich to poor or poor to ricj in an instant. Middle calsses can advance or their status retreat.

Paul Ryan's opening speech has the ability to take complex issues and reduce them so that we all understand. If you worked in a corporation think back to those meetings on the economic status of the company given by the financial guys and then recall the glossing over of eyes from memebers of the audience.

Paul Ryan is an excellent choice and as Ryan shared in his speech "America is not only a place but an idea" "Americians get their freedoms from natural law and God not the government: Who in their right mind would argue that?

All of those of you, mostly on the left, who immediately with absolutely NO thought whatsoever say some of the things you say on here...let me tell you something...

If you think that General Motors was in trouble, the United States of American is in even worse shape financially !

You can mock an adult looking for a solution to the problem, and EVERYONE on both sides of the aisle agree, some more publicly than others that we need to address entitlements.

I am going to tell you something. This country has to make adult and difficult choices....who will bail out the USA.....France ? The choices are not easy, but rest assured they have to be faced. The teenage attitude that this (and that means all spending...entitlements, etc) can just continue is just plain denying facts !

You will all be on here making fun of Ryan....making up cute names for him..demeaning him at every turn, but WILL YOU EVER GROW UP enough and look your children and their children in the eye and realize where this country is heading ?

Obama is pandering for votes......Ryan will be pandering for our future, and those who will come on here and flaunt polls, etc...keep in mind PLEASE that you were lied to 4 years ago.....and sometimes the truth is not that comfortable. An adult is able to look you in the eye and tell you the truth, whether you like it is up to you.....just look at your children and grandchildren.

Exactly what well Rmoney and RyanRand do for the US economy except cut entitlement prgrams like Medicaid, Medicare, pensions for federal workers, etc. and lower taxes on the rich in the hope that the money will trickle down to the middle class and the poor?

The money to my knowledge has never trickled down to the middle classes that I can think of in the US unless it is through some kind of entitlement program and work projects plan.

It sounds like under a RMoney and RandRyan Administration that things in the US will get incredibly bad for a while before they supposedly get better. We will have a few years of austerity under the Rs at least for the middle class and poor. I suppose the rich will just keep getting richer though.

Has the Romney campaign announced yet if Congressman Paul Ryan was asked to turn over more than 1.5 years of tax returns? Does Ryan have enough confidence in Mitt Romney winning that he won't run for reelection to the house?

how about partisan BS aside......I know an impossible notion for some.

How about just focusing.....FOCUSING.....on the following:

Government by consent of the governed.....do you agree with that concept? Not who said it. Not what party it came from? Not any hidden messages. Do you agree with the statement?

Rights from nature and GOD not government. Do you agree with this statement?

Last one; equal opportunity not equal outcome. Do you agree with this one.

I really do challenge the die hard partisans to give their opinion very specifically to the above three. You need not work the usual partisan approach.

If I had to add one more it would be leadership and truth (has sorta a hope and change ring to it does it not?).

And for those who continue to credit Ryan and Romney for cutting Medicare and SS you must not have heard or you are using selective hearing or it just does not matter what was really said....both Ryan and Romney committed to saving both. How convenient.

I believe there is now a ray of hope that we will eventually get to discussing the real issues.

And now the dirt digging on Ryan begins.

All I can say is Ryan's choice is a good one based on the man's background and experience. When one looks at the backgrounds or resume's of the the two it is impressive that one brings none Washington business leadership and the other brings congressional leadership experience.

From a non partisan perspective...some do not recognize there is such a position, but there is.....there can be no argument about character, qualification or capability of the individuals. No R or D required for this type observation.

btk

I like the VP pick
 

I was admittedly unhappy with the Republican VP choice in 2008 as soon as I heard it. I did not know the VP candidate, but my reservation was that I felt it was not done to promote a policy, but rather to shore up a group of disenchanted voters that supported Hillary Clinton. I could be wrong of course and not important now anyway.

Today, I feel much different, I like this pick. I have always liked listening to Paul Ryan speak on issues. The things he says make sense to me when I hear them. As with anyone bold enough to try to address issues, there will be ways to criticize with one liners and talking points and I hope undecided voters can dig a bit deeper.

My big concern for the future state of this completely dysfunctional federal government is what will be different if President Obama is re-elected…. since I do not see the legislative branch changing much, I see nothing being offered that makes anything change from what is happening now.

Whether it is President Obama’s fault or not it is what it is and I see nothing being offered to change that. I believe My Romney is closer to the center and “MAY” have a chance to build around the center of both parties. Only time will tell given the chance.

I was interested in how Mr. Ryan would deliver arguably one of his bigger speeches. 10 out of 10 IMO.

Several quotes from his speech stood out that give me hope:

• President Obama, and too many like him in Washington, have refused to make difficult decisions because they are more worried about their next election than they are about the next generation. We might have been able to get away with that before, but not now. We’re in a different, and dangerous, moment. We're running out of time -- and we can't afford 4 more years of this. Politicians from both parties have made empty promises which will soon become broken promises--with painful consequences--if we fail to act no
• But America is more than just a place...it's an idea. It's the only country founded on an idea. Our rights come from nature and God, not government. We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
• We can turn this thing around. Real solutions can be delivered. But, it will take leadership. And the courage to tell you the truth.

""Americians get their freedoms from natural law and God not the government."

I honestly do not know exactly what you mean by this statement. Americans had slaves until the end of the Civil War. Was slavery part of the freedom from natural law and from God?

From what I read, natural law is another term for human rights. Is that what you mean?

Can you please explain fully what you mean by your original statement? Thanks.

PLEASE, write this down...if Obama is serious about cutting the deficit and spending as he says, HE WILL NEED TO DO THE SAME THING.

And be warned that he is preaching to you right now, but when push comes to shove, he will need to do the same exact things. Difference is that someone is telling you the truth up front.

Listen, I am not a stupid man ...this will probably not win the election for Romney but it is an adult and serious choice, that you and yours will mock totally but this country has no choice. You all keeping harping on the rich versus poor thing and if you knew anything about economics or history of economics, you would know that you are barking up the wrong tree.

Does that message feel better when Obama makes the pitch for rich versus poor....SURE ! Did he make you feel good in 2008....SURE...did any of it come to fruition....NOPE...it got worse.

I am more worried about my country than your polls, your rich versus poor dialogue, you demeaning of anyone who does not carry the flag for Obama . Our country is in VERY VERY SERIOUS shape...just look at the hoorays for the new healthcare law.....nobody, it seems, cares one iota IF we can pay for it. Reminds of the guys who buy new cars all the time because they are neat...someone has to pay the bills. We will not be able to.

If you really believe that we are not so near to financial collapse, I honestly wish I could join you......I actually HOPE you are right...I actually hope that the class warfare works if it somehow...preaching that hate, etc, would save us for what is happening.....then I would join you, but I KNOW, in my head how bad things are. As I said in another thread...who is going to bail us out....France ?

Oh yeah, I forgot to add well over 1 million Federal employees to the "lost" votes in the Romney/Ryan pot since those guys want to cut pay for Federal employees.

I am sure I forgot some others but those will do for right now.

Tal: I appreciate what you say but people are not paying attention . Most can't get past cuts wondering how it will affect them. When the pivotal issue is unlessand until we deal with our spending problems and tax problems we all are going down the tubes. Its tantamount to that old petroleum commerical "Pay me now or pay me later....and later means more more more.

Count on the Obama people/media to spin it as gutted people incomes except for the rich but that is all bupkus intnded on distracting people.

Paul Ryan is correct and Paul Ryan is a realist so I expect that as his plans unfold he will take care not to damage any economic class.

Obama had full reign and he has failed miserably

Obama had full reign? He is President not an Emperor. Many Congress Members have stalled any kind of Obama budget passing. For instance, the Tea Party has made significant inroads into Congress. I believe in checks and balances in US government in case a President becomes despotic in some way. But, I would never say that Obama had free reign in pushing through his budget. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/obama-budget/

Since Mitt does not have any ideas of his other than cut taxes for the rich he will now have to run on Ryan's ideas- cutting taxes for the rich, gutting government, eliminating Medicare as we know it, privatizing social security, and saying too bad so sad to the middle and lower classes of American society.
Mitt caved to the right wing and, thereby, has lost the election. :icon_wink:

check Dirty Harry's backed up list of legislation proposals that result in spending reductions....which he has refused to release for discussion in the senate.

The $7 billion benefits paid annually to illegal immigrants for example.
He is adamant to not move forward any legislation that smells like a budget discussion as he has said in the past, any discussions about budgets can only result in some pretty embarrassing questions coming to light....that will impact re-election results negatively.

As has been stated by earlier posts in this thread and many others. One can criticize all they want about the cuts the other party is proposing.....when ever and or if Obama ever addresses the spending problem, there is no magic or secret approach. He or anybody that has the guts to take on the leadership to get the spending under control....WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING!!!!!!

Very, very simple concept spending CANNOT exceed revenues......we all do this every day. The government does not.....no magic....no mystery....just takes leadership and determination.....just like we do at home.

Very simple.....any non politician knows this.

btk

BTK...."He or anybody that has the guts to take on the leadership to get the spending under control....WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING!!!!!!"

One of my biggest single problems with this administration since BEFORE the election of 2008. He will NOT address the issues if it does not produce votes.

If he is elected he MUST do all the things Ryan supports...well, maybe not all and I think Ryan has said that it is a principle and nothing is carved in stone but WE MUST ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. If Obama is truely interested in where this country is headed he will have to support Ryan's agenda...

The sad and it is truely sad....he wont do it until after he gets votes. Read the left leaning posts on this forum for guidance. They are more interested in votes, etc than they are on the issues facing us. I suppose they think they will just go away and they ignore the President when he says he wants to do with ALL industries what he did with GM and a poster on here a few days ago who did not even know that there was an alternative to the bail out.

Point is.....ask the President...oh he wont take questions...well ask him in the debate HOW he will reduce spending and see if he can go one minute with discussing our massive entitlements...he will try not to because he is MORE interested in votes than this country !


PS...By the way, AND PLEASE FACT CHECK ME ON STATMENTS, ETC ON THIS.....this avoidance of problems that are not politically popular and do not get votes is how we got a healtch care bill that does not do anything he said it will do, we cannot afford at all, and was even opposed by his party until he made the payoffs to LA and SC. Please fact check me