Rights come from nature and God? Now that one I don't get at all. :ohdear:

"Rights from nature and GOD not government. Do you agree with this statement?"

Please explain this fully. What rights are you talking about? Remember that the writers of the constitution had slaves. Was that a right from nature and God?

I really want a full explanation of what you mean by that statement. I do not understand it. I googled it and even the Muslim faith claims that as a basis for their government. Do we want to be like Iran?

Will we recognize it when they "save" it?

those who are so well informed on what the opposition plan to do or meant about "cuts" in Medicare.......help me understand why in Obama's health care reform there is a commitment to reduce Medicare expenditures by $500 billion.....now just why does that not translate into taking away or diluting or minimizing or gutting or killing medicare????

I will be a smart a$$ about it...y'all are comfortable about it knowing full well he does not mean what he says and are assured it will not happen.

Smart a$$ness aside....why is it OK when he proposes it?

btk

He was foolish enough to dream that they could cut the waste and fraud in the program.

President Obama has not cut Medicare, rather Obamacare calls for $500 billion in savings over the next decade through operational efficiencies and more effective care. But Ryan's plan also calls for about $500 billion in savings. The plan would control Medicare spending by converting some of it into subsidies for private insurance, thereby shifting more of the burden to individuals. Ryan's plan also calls for privatizing Social Security.

Hope that answers you, btk.

But wait Buggy,they are doing it for the kids and grand kids future. You know, the kids and grand kids that survive the unfunded wars. Those searches for WMDs are expensive.

"Ryan's plan also calls for privatizing Social Security."

That's the one that scares me more than anything. Look these guys don't give two hoots in Hell about stiffs that worked all their lives for a little bit of SS. They have theirs or are getting it. They going to change the Congress medical insurance or their big pensions? No.

Those Who Feign An Explanation Can Explain It Better Than Me
 

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QUOTE=buggyone;538233]"Rights from nature and GOD not government. Do you agree with this statement?"

Please explain this fully. What rights are you talking about? Remember that the writers of the constitution had slaves. Was that a right from nature and God?

I really want a full explanation of what you mean by that statement. I do not understand it. I googled it and even the Muslim faith claims that as a basis for their government. Do we want to be like Iran?[/QUOTE]

I have never met a family member or anyone for that matter who owned slaves. The issue over slaves was settled by way of a Civil War. Yet unbelievable liberals continue to suck capital out of that issue, capital that is long spent and personally its getting really really lame.

I am not surprised but saddened that the liberal left desires an explanation as to what "rights from natural law and God , and not government mean" I'll explain why further down in my comments.

Whether one calls it a monarchy, central planning or federal government the dictates wishes vision of that entity will prevail. Ask the Chinese people the Russians Burmese, etc. Apparently we have blessed for so long that some of us have taken for granted our blessings.

The creation and preservation of our democracy has come at a great expense for many Americans because they believed that born by accident or by God their destiny belonged to them.

But all of this is well known and I suspect those who feign a lack of understanding can probably explain this phrase better than me.

It isn't that they don't understand it, rather it is because they know it is true and they and their leader's design for total government domainace is now threatened. It is indeed sad that these l Americans would feign a lack of understanding of our basic and inalienable rights granted by natural law and God and memorialzed in the U. S. Constitution and in doing so dishonor the men and women who over America's history fought and died to protect and preserves those rights. The fact that they do so is very instructive, instructive but sad.

Cant wait to see him and Joe go at it.Maybe a little one sided maybe barry could also be at Joe's side.Well maybe add reid an pelosi that may make it closer

It does not answer me....HOW, which is the big question will he make those efficiencies. He will not discuss it or take questions but this "efficiency" is one of the "maybes" that he uses to pay for the health care law !!

Amazing how sucked in we seem to get depending on the messenger......this "promise" of efficiencies from the same guy who promised a law to cut health costs, who is allowing our tax money to be robbed by illegal immigrant scams, who promised by saying if it did not happen he would be a one term president that unemployment would never rise about 8%...who assured us that we, the taxpayers, would never lose money on his bailouts and it is running amok.

Is this the same guy whose promise you are embracing ?

Ahhh yes, the predictable smart crack....really a help for any discussion.

I suggest you look closely at the situation that this country is in, and what we face in just the last of this year....it is amazing and I can not bring myself to make jokes over it.

The old tried and true "Bush did it" thing is very old....many of us disagreed with much of that spending, but to dwell on it to defend what is happening now...well, the logic simply escapes me.

of course the response instead of any factual discussion will be from somewhere another few wisecracks. Must make you all smile at times !

I sure wont refer to kids or grandkids anymore...however the jokes, it IS important to me !

"through operational efficiencies and more effective care." = weasel wording that means exactly the same as cuts.

When one is going to reduce Medicare costs by $500 billion I don't care what one prefers to call it, something that costs money today will have to be eliminated. Some people like to think for example if they improve efficiency and can now take care of more people for the same money....that IS NOT a cost reduction. Cost reduction = however it is being done today for $500 billion less in the till than yesterday.

If one is saying they will become more efficient and for $500 billion less money in the till we will all have the same products and services......then you are officially on something that affects one's cranial capability.

In the very unlikely event I could be wrong, please have the people responsible for such innovative, non reduced services efficiencies contact the United States Postal Service.

The amount spent, no matter how it is done or what ever it is called needs to go down by $500 billion....call it what you will to be happy. I can guarantee you there will be no reduction in cost without a reduction in services or benefits.

btk

It sure beats the Ryan plan of saying he would control Medicare spending by converting some of it into subsidies for private insurance, thereby shifting more of the burden to individuals. Ryan's plan also calls for privatizing Social Security. Both of those are very bad ideas.

I have never met a family member or anyone for that matter who owned slaves. The issue over slaves was settled by way of a Civil War. Yet unbelievable liberals continue to suck capital out of that issue, capital that is long spent and personally its getting really really lame.

I am not surprised but saddened that the liberal left desires an explanation as to what "rights from natural law and God , and not government mean" I'll explain why further down in my comments.

Whether one calls it a monarchy, central planning or federal government the dictates wishes vision of that entity will prevail. Ask the Chinese people the Russians Burmese, etc. Apparently we have blessed for so long that some of us have taken for granted our blessings.

The creation and preservation of our democracy has come at a great expense for many Americans because they believed that born by accident or by God their destiny belonged to them.

But all of this is well known and I suspect those who feign a lack of understanding can probably explain this phrase better than me.

It isn't that they don't understand it, rather it is because they know it is true and they and their leader's design for total government domainace is now threatened. It is indeed sad that these l Americans would feign a lack of understanding of our basic and inalienable rights granted by natural law and God and memorialzed in the U. S. Constitution and in doing so dishonor the men and women who over America's history fought and died to protect and preserves those rights. The fact that they do so is very instructive, instructive but sad.[/QUOTE]

Huh??? :ohdear: