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Guest 07-22-2015 11:21 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090361)
Since you don't seem to have a problem with the "shipping" of body parts, mabe we should start with yours.:clap2:

Being nasty will get you nowhere....

The point is PP was NOT selling body parts end of story.

Guest 07-22-2015 11:32 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090355)
As it stands now, most insurance plans cover at least certain generic birth control pills at no charge to the patient, so access to them has been greatly enhanced over the years. As far as the morning after pill goes, it has now been deemed an over-the-counter product (not prescription) so would not be covered by most insurance plans as most do not cover OTC's.

In answering your question, I have one for you, especially where the morning after pill is concerned - does personal responsibility play any part in this where you are concerned? I ask this because that's where I find a big difference between taking birth control pills versus the morning after pill.

I believe sexual active women should protect themselves but as we know some employers, on religious grounds, refuse to cover birth control and even refuse to allow the government to provide them under the plan.

To me the morning after pill should be for available in the case of rape, incest or anyone not able to obtain birth control pills.

My problem is I personally have voted on the Personhood Amendment 3 times in my home state. I see this as a religious group or voting block trying to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us. This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom.

Guest 07-22-2015 11:39 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090292)
I would like to know how and why the issue of slaughtering and now butchering of unborn children is viewed by SOME as a partisan issue? Or a gender specific issue?

It is a moral issue that is either accepted or rejected across anything as flimsy and lame as party lines or gender or race or religion.

Making it a partisan issue is for voter attraction only.....no other purpose intended what so ever.

Too bad the majority of moral Americans just do not stand and be counted and shut down these minority and special interest groups who do not have any moral compass in their lives.

Again you have the right to your religious beliefs but we have the freedom from your religion. Think the constitution....

You are wrong about pro-choice supporters being in the minority

U.S. Still Split on Abortion: 47% Pro-Choice, 46% Pro-Life

Guest 07-22-2015 11:50 AM

Going after each other on this forum is not going to convince either the Anti-Abortionists or the Pro-Choice that they are misguided and should change sides. Some say it is a religious thing, some a moral thing, some say a woman's reproductive rights belong to herself and her conscience.

Bottom line is Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts. The tissues and organs were donated and the only cost involved is the shipping.

Basically, this thread is just 3 or 4 reactionaries adding onto each other's posts and shouting down all who disagree. That is a Saul Alinsky tactic from his Rules for Radicals.

Guest 07-22-2015 12:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090407)
Going after each other on this forum is not going to convince either the Anti-Abortionists or the Pro-Choice that they are misguided and should change sides. Some say it is a religious thing, some a moral thing, some say a woman's reproductive rights belong to herself and her conscience.

Bottom line is Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts. The tissues and organs were donated and the only cost involved is the shipping.

Basically, this thread is just 3 or 4 reactionaries adding onto each other's posts and shouting down all who disagree. That is a Saul Alinsky tactic from his Rules for Radicals.

For both sides.....

Guest 07-22-2015 01:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090386)
Being nasty will get you nowhere....

The point is PP was NOT selling body parts end of story.

Sorry, you don't get to declare the end of the story.

I think their is a very possible PP is doing just that.

Guest 07-22-2015 01:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090386)
Being nasty will get you nowhere....

The point is PP was NOT selling body parts end of story.

Sorry, you don't get to declare the end of the story.

I think it is very possible PP is doing just that.

Guest 07-22-2015 07:48 PM

Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

Guest 07-22-2015 08:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090555)
Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

Planned Parenthood will likely just raise the price of the body parts to make up for the loss of funding.

Guest 07-23-2015 04:47 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090277)
What a rambling reactionary bunch of BS! You are definitely stuck in the past and fail to realize this is the 21st century. Times and people have changed. Get with the 21st century or stand aside.

Dear Guest: What in the heck does stuck in the past have to do with my moral beliefs? If the Supreme Court decided in 2020 that the solution to our mounting old age problems was elimination of anyone over 65 would you suggest that anyone who disagreed with that decision was stuck in the past?
Do you suppose the Nazi's told those opposed to the Jewish solution they were stuck in the past? what a leap in logic you take. When did being morally responsible and treating the young born and unborn as a protected species become stuck in the past? don't count on such proposals as not likely because there have been similar proposal made over the years including the state of Florida

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses? Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why is government interference in behalf of birth control and abortions issues a good thing? What if the government told women they could not have an abortion, then what? Roe v Wade is a good thing but if the Supreme Court overturned Roe then by pro abortionist it would be a bad thing? Yet pro-life people are wrong because they disagree with roe v Wade this is especially important since the plaintiff in this case reversed her views on this case and fights as a pro-lifer.

Why all these entitlements? Why is it that society is obligated for the irresponsible sexual activities of people. Why is it that many of the same women repeatedly turn to abortion clinics ? Why is that unborn responsible for the irresponsible choices of adults? where is that unborn's right to choose?

Why is it that people in favor of abortion believe they have the high ground? Pro abortionist do what nations have done through the ages they make the target a non-person and by doing so they can act with impunity whether we are talking about waging war on other nations or slavery because by making the enemy a non-person its easier on the conscience

It is not me who is stuck in the past ethics and morality are not fads and they do not operate on a sliding scale as defined by most people to mean "I can justify my actions".

Finally ask yourself if a person who aborts by some fluke of nature had to face that unborn that was reaching out from the womb what would s/he say
"sorry kid our an inconvenience"

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 07-23-2015 06:32 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090621)
Dear Guest: What in the heck does stuck in the past have to do with my moral beliefs? If the Supreme Court decided in 2020 that the solution to our mounting old age problems was elimination of anyone over 65 would you suggest that anyone who disagreed with that decision was stuck in the past?
Do you suppose the Nazi's told those opposed to the Jewish solution they were stuck in the past? what a leap in logic you take. When did being morally responsible and treating the young born and unborn as a protected species become stuck in the past? don't count on such proposals as not likely because there have been similar proposal made over the years including the state of Florida

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses? Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why is government interference in behalf of birth control and abortions issues a good thing? What if the government told women they could not have an abortion, then what? Roe v Wade is a good thing but if the Supreme Court overturned Roe then by pro abortionist it would be a bad thing? Yet pro-life people are wrong because they disagree with roe v Wade this is especially important since the plaintiff in this case reversed her views on this case and fights as a pro-lifer.

Why all these entitlements? Why is it that society is obligated for the irresponsible sexual activities of people. Why is it that many of the same women repeatedly turn to abortion clinics ? Why is that unborn responsible for the irresponsible choices of adults? where is that unborn's right to choose?

Why is it that people in favor of abortion believe they have the high ground? Pro abortionist do what nations have done through the ages they make the target a non-person and by doing so they can act with impunity whether we are talking about waging war on other nations or slavery because by making the enemy a non-person its easier on the conscience

It is not me who is stuck in the past ethics and morality are not fads and they do not operate on a sliding scale as defined by most people to mean "I can justify my actions".

Finally ask yourself if a person who aborts by some fluke of nature had to face that unborn that was reaching out from the womb what would s/he say
"sorry kid our an inconvenience"

Personal Best Regards:

Thank you for this comprehensive, thought provoking post. You have put into words what so many of us have been trying to express. Thanks so much for your wise words.

Guest 07-23-2015 06:37 AM

Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses?

Your facts are just a bit off

Planned Parenthood

As the name Planned Parenthood suggests the primary mission of this organization is to help women with their reproductive goals.

Honestly I would like to understand your reasoning on this statement you made:

Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills? If a women is being proactive to prevent a pregnancy why are you against that? How many women have heard "I'm to big to wear a condom?"

Do you also believe that insurance should cover the cost of Viagra? A ***** pump?

Guest 07-23-2015 07:26 AM

Presumably you are trying to equate Viagra with birth control pills in the eyes of the insurance companies. I keep hearing this same argument. Viagra is for treating a disease. Birth control if for preventing pregnancies. I sometimes get the impression that the left views pregnancy as a disease.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090635)
Why does taxpayer money fund Planned Parenthood when it is clear that it operates primarily as an elimination machine for fetuses?

Your facts are just a bit off

Planned Parenthood

As the name Planned Parenthood suggests the primary mission of this organization is to help women with their reproductive goals.

Honestly I would like to understand your reasoning on this statement you made:

Why should any insurance policy cover any aspect of birth control and abortion?

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills? If a women is being proactive to prevent a pregnancy why are you against that? How many women have heard "I'm to big to wear a condom?"

Do you also believe that insurance should cover the cost of Viagra? A ***** pump?


Guest 07-23-2015 07:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090555)
Planned Parenthood receives 1/2 Billion dollars from the gov't each year. Our tax dollars help to fund it. Pull the plug on the dollars and watch it wither on the vine.

Agree ... pull the financial plug on the immoral, baby-killing machine that is PPA.

They do have limits I must say ... so far, I've not seen any evidence that PPA actually encourages using discarded baby parts and organs as food or delicacies ...

Guest 07-23-2015 11:03 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1090656)
Presumably you are trying to equate Viagra with birth control pills in the eyes of the insurance companies. I keep hearing this same argument. Viagra is for treating a disease. Birth control if for preventing pregnancies. I sometimes get the impression that the left views pregnancy as a disease.

I do equate them as medications..... But I knew I would be hit with the disease thing so predicable.

In my religious faith, Catholic, sex is for pro-creation only, being told that since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. So if your wife has already gone through the change you don't need the little blue pill.

Or you could look at this another way women go through the change no pill for that but when men go through the change OMG its a disease!

Think of birth control as an investment in not having to provide food and shelter for all those unwanted children.


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