and where is your proof of that -- many of those neighborhoods have disappeared or have been gentrified.

There is more ground for us to agree if we stick to what we know from personal experience and not to make assumptions or repeat hearsay or information from unsubstantiated website links

I am pretty sure that my opinions on abortion have mainly been presented based on scientific facts everywhere on this forum.
I also am concerned about your apparent belief that Christians lie to promote their agenda...

now, Katz, I never said that -- you are losing credibility with me now -- we each have our opinions on things no matter what our political or religious beliefs are -- just because they are opinions and not facts does not mean that anyone is lying.

When you begin to twist what someone is saying, that is not a healthy discussion -- I have tried very hard to listen to you -- have even agreed with you on a couple of points -- and yet you remain oppositional and judgmental about my views.

I think the discussion needs to end here because it has ceased to be a discussion and is turning into an attack on my beliefs.

Let's start with hearsay...When I reported the experience a long loved and trusted friend, you responded that her story is biased since she is a Christian. I am happy to have an open and honest dialogue with you, but the ground rules are that we must both be serious about this and we must both be honest and we must both agree to read the posts and think about what is being said by the other. I am an open and honest person and trust that you are the same. That is why I am on this forum. Not to shove my opinions on anyone, but to learn and share what I know with others. I do not want to be lumped together with anyone nor will I do that to you. What do you say?

I have not twisted anything. You said that my friend had a religiously biased view, when I only stated the true facts as she has told me. Why would you assume that her view is religiously biased?

Hearsay at the most. Hearsay is never admitted into a courtroom.

You have never been to China and you do not know first hand what is going on there. Just report on what you have personally observed.

You have lost great credibility here. Please go to your facts checker and get them all in a line before posting anymore things that are just hearsay.

Thank you very much for your cooperation.

~With some on this forum, I have never had credibility by virtue of being a Christian, a pro-lifer, and a conservative. Therefore, I cannot lose any credibility that I never had.
~With others, I'm pretty sure that my credibility is rock solid, as theirs is with me.
~It is the opinion of the latter that has captured my respect, while the opinions of the former mean nothing to me anymore.

and I quote..."I think the discussion needs to end here because it has ceased to be a discussion and is turning into an attack on my beliefs."

Just say, "Good night, Gracie."

Hope you have a good day tomorrow.

In the battle of wits, some people show up unarmed. Katz, your a wonderful poster and don't let the leftie trolls bother you.

Following your criteria, there sure wouldn't be much posting done here on Political!

Katz' credibility is rock solid with me.

Totally unbelievable . I had to quote this in case this post is deleted. I guess I cannot post here anymore because I have never been to China, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. etc.

The man-made gender imbalance in China is well documented and is no small matter:

"(CNN) Study: China faces 24M bride shortage by 2020
January 11, 2010

Some 24 million Chinese men of marrying age will find themselves lacking wives in 2020, partly because of the country's one-child policy, which has led to the abortion of female fetuses, state media said Monday.

Sex-specific abortions have led to a large male population born since the 1980s, the China Daily newspaper said, citing a study conducted by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

The gender imbalance means that the next decade will see many intergenerational marriages: young men married to women much older than them, the study said...."

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-01-11/w...rs?_s=PM:WORLD

Gendercide
The worldwide war on baby girls
Technology, declining fertility and ancient prejudice are combining to unbalance societies:
http://www.economist.com/node/15636231

We haven't done such a good job of not acting like a pollutant until the last 50 years.

But I do agree with certain aspects of your opinion - just in a bit different way.

This entire thread makes me feel sick to my stomach.
 

I am 70 years old, I have grown through generations of thought and conflict.
Recognizing a woman should have a choice, an opinion on her giving or taking
"life" is why I am still here and focusing on that concept. No one, no one
will take that right away from me...whether by thought, by some conceptual
or religious propoganda, by rape or incest. I have, I have the right to decide.
My children have the right to decide. No individual, no mass, no one person will change my mind. I am shocked and dismayed that people generally my age cling to thought os the last turn of the century. I am not an indentured
servant, nor are my children, nor our their children. This is one of the most
ridiculous and embarrassing posts ever on this forum, and possibly, one of the most racial as well. Too much time on your hands I think. My body, my right,
my desire, my choice. No one should control that destiny, that wish, that
belief whatever color, socio=econonic level, religious thought, or decision to
think for others. My body, my choice. I think I am embarrased about this entire
thread. It is possible the cat's pajama's added these thoughts to subterfuge
a woman's right to make decisions about her body, her progeny her life. It
makes me ill as we approach 2012 and beyond. Sometimes, those discussions were part of my life's work, I understand the complex and difficult decisions, however, ultimately, they are one woman's to make. God is busy with many
other critical aspects of life...and death.

Correction...it involves a woman's body and a child's body.
PLUS what is embarrassing is the number of people who still hold to the ridiculous opinions expressed on this forum that leave the innocent and defenseless child out.
Correction...God is never too busy to care about anything, especially His unborn children.