Liberals believe that poor blacks don't have ID's so they would be disenfranchised if required to prove who they are when voting. Sounds kind of racist to me. And, it is obvious that liberals believe they have the "franchise" on the black vote. I mean, otherwise what would be the reasoning behind the idea that anyone wouldn't have some form of ID? Nope, no matter what they say, they are afraid that their party is doing something illegal like stuffing the ballot boxes with fictitious or illegal votes. They try to claim that there is no evidence of voter fraud....and continue to shout that even when presented with facts. Now, we have over 14 million illegals in the country and liberals are not worried about them attempting to vote illegally. After all, they wouldn't do anything illegal, would they?

Ya just gotta love the way some folks will finese not knowing the answer to the question.

Do you not know or have an opinion how showing ID at the polls restricts their rights/infringes on what ever?

These same folks have to present an ID when they go on welfare! Collect and use food stamps? Depending what state they are in they have to show ID to buy booze! Or cigarettes.

Why are none of these requirements to show ID an infringement as well.

Please, if you don't know.....give us YOUR opinion.

As the OP of this thread, I have to object.

You, on a few seperate posts are doing you darn best to make this some kind of political debate, and that was not the intent of the thread. If you wish a thread to bash Republicans, I suggest you start your own.

I have read about bot Texas and Pennsylvania, and in both cases the courts have not objected to voter id in principle. Most of this stems from availability to some and/or details within what the state has done.

The Indiana case which went to the Supreme Court and was upheld seems to fir what is being expected by the law.

Bottom line to this thread is that race was not mentioned by anyone but one political party, a few organizations.

Fact is in Pennsylvania they specifically mentioned availability of state dis to informed and elderly.

So in the process of the law, which is our countries foundation, it appears this requirement for voter id is acceptable and the nuances need to be worked out as is the case with many new laws.

This entire movement, which admittedly was primarily from the right is prompted by the advance in technology, the number of illigal immigrants, etc.

But for purposes of this thread objective, minorities are ONLY mentioned in a political sense, race is mentioned only by political entities, but if all of us were black or all of us were white, the idea of voter id seems to fly with the courts and the law, except as I said, the availability of some state IDs. Seems using the Indiana law might work and it is strict and has passed all the court challenges.

Keep in mind there has been this movement since about 1950, and it really never got a foothold until the 2000 election when people realized suddenly that one vote could matter.

That plus our advanced technology and immigration mess put this on the front burner.

But again, to the thread title and purpose, it appears from reading all the court decisions, and the laws, the only mention of race is from those who ignore the basic reason and use it as a political tool.

I must tell you that I do not type well, and when using an iPad, I am dangerous.

My post above has this sentence...

"Fact is in Pennsylvania they specifically mentioned availability of state dis to informed and elderly."

It is supposed to say

"Fact is in Pennsylvania they specifically mentioned availability of state id s to infirmed and elderly."

I must admit, I smiled when I realized I had INFORMED instead of Infirmed

Is that a Freudian slip or like Dr Carsons little remark on lobotomy's in DC ?

Neither collecting welfare, or collecting food stamps, or buying booze, or buying cigarettes, or boarding an airplane is a constitutional right. The right to vote is a constitutional right.

It is rather ironical that the constitution-loving party who supports the first amendment, second amendment and all other amendments, doesn't seem to mind if qualified voters get denied the right to vote.

The obvious solution to this situation is a national voter ID made available to all eligible voters. This should not be that difficult in this high-tech age.

Again with the PARTY crap.

First, a national id card for voting in what is a state run function might cause a problem,

Why is everything about some political party.

Voter id is not a bad thing....courts agree. Does it need refining...sure. Could it end up being national id..maybe/

BUT FOR everyones sake get off the Party rhetoric. Nobody is denying anyone anything even the big bad terrible awful Republican party as you present it.

Seems every post you make goes right to jumping on the Republican party

Well, this thread was about race and voter id and I think most kept in where it was meant to be except for you. Have a nice day and again....

if you wish to thrash the Republican party, start your OWN thread !

The OP seeks a logical discussion on the issue of race as it relates to the Voter ID issue. However the subject matter is an oxymoron and hence any logical discussion is going to end up be confronted with circular thinking because the push by progressives to halt Voter ID is to commit voter fraud and there have been many examples of where people have admitted to voting more than once or illegals paid to vote for a certain candidate.

Summary how can you have an honest debate on this subject when progressives have been less than honest in its application. Its an exercise in futility to debate progressives because you are going to get one word answers "racist" " homophobic" or cause them trauma by addressing trigger warnings or micro aggressions....or like we use to say before political correctness, "its like talking to a drunk"

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We all assume this voter ID issue is race based, but now I'm wondering about the folks living in the hills of Appalachia. Don't even know if they vote, but if they do wouldn't they be faced with the same dilemma of getting an ID. Why can't the polling places set up several times a year to provide IDs. If they can get to the polls to vote they can there to get an ID. As a matter of fact many of the black inner-city communities provide rides to the polls - why not rides to get an ID? It can be done if required.

Doesn't every state have a voter registration card? And don't you have to show identification to get it?

REGISTERING is not the problem.

VOTING is the problem

Did I not make it simple enough? What is the purpose of a voter registration card? Can it not be used as a voter ID card? Put a photo on it and it should work pretty good. Just a thought.

"W" did a five year analysis of voter fraud, and found there was next to no voter fraud. Very few people have been convicted of voter fraud. One number that was thrown out there was 350+ a little cases of voter fraud in the ten billion votes cast.

In a Fox interview with a So. Carolina official, it was stated that 20,000 (do know the exact number) people were registered at two addresses. The Fox interviewer never asked the next most logical question, "how many of these people voted twice?" The state knew that these people were register in two places. How could not know, if these people voted twice?

Somebody here asked why didn't the blacks use the id that they used, when they applied for welfare? Funny you should ask! The ids that you need when applying for welfare are drivers license, library card, and voter id card. You also have to show your social security card. "W"'s Help America Vote Act allowed voters to use their social security card at the polling booth. What is wrong with showing your Social Security Card on election day?

Does anybody here think that any Republican official is going to admit that new voter id law in their state was directed at race? Of course, one party is going to bring up race, and the other isn't. You still can't dance away from the just plain stupid comment the Speaker of the Penn. House stated.

Here is a novel idea try getting black, and Hispanic votes instead of doing everything possible to make sure that they don't vote.

National voter id in this high-tech age. Now, you are talking about a hacker's dream. Russian, and Chinese hackers could screw up our election process, and sit back and really laugh at us.

I apologize. I totally misunderstood.

Sounds logical to me for sure. Actually, it is so logical there must be an illogical reason that states do not do this !1

No apology warranted. I did not make myself understood. :coolsmiley:

So, you insist on making this racist? Typical liberal rhetoric. You are saying that blacks and hispanics don't have an ID. That's racist any way you look at it. That's the same as saying they are stupid and poor. Racist.

It's kind of hard to prove voter fraud when there is no voter ID. Got it? Yes, there are folks all over the country that have more than one state voter registration. I know one guy in NC that voted twice. Once for his father that was bedridden. His father is a different party. Don't try to say it isn't so. Just because you deny something out of ignorance, doesn't make it factual. Even IF/IF there isn't any voter fraud (which is a ludicrous fantasy) then having a voter ID would hurt absolutely nothing. There is no voter in America that couldn't come up with a picture ID. Trying to push this thing about someone not having a birth certificate is stupid to put it mildly. Kind of like saying only one home out of a hundred thousand is a victim of burglary. Yet we still have locks on our doors. Nothing wrong with being careful. Unless, you are the liberal, I mean burglar. :icon_wink: