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How about showing me proof that Jesus existed. Contemporary records from the time of Jesus. The earliest record I know is Josephus and it's 30 some years after the fact and doesn't mention Jesus by name as the Christ. What about the reshuffling of the Bible? The removing of "difficult" books? All the different translations? How many versions are there? "Currently, there are more than 40 different versions in English, from the King James Version, which was published in 1611 and is still going strong, to modern versions, some of them in very simplified English." They're ALL the direct word of God? I don't think so. There IS no purpose debating me. ALL you have is faith. |
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The New Testament testimony does contain eyewitness authors who were with Jesus and who knew him, including the Apostle Peter, the Apostle John, and the brothers (family members) of Jesus. And of course the Gospel of Mark was written by John Mark, Peter's scribe, who got his information from eyewitness Peter. The Synoptic Gospels do not all contain the same stories because they are written for different audiences; I will not detail them here. And here is the most convincing fact. Most of Jesus' Apostles died as martyrs rather than renounce their faith in Him, because they had seen him Risen after His death. People do not take such strong stands without strong motivation. And, finally, there is, as you say, Faith. Thank God, I have been granted this gift. (John 6:65) I would wish the same for you. It would surely change your unfortunate attitude towards people of other races. (Galatians 3:28) Carl in Tampa . |
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If you've never had it, how does a person acquire faith ? What if it isn't gifted to you ? And how would you know if it were gifted or know if it wasn't ? |
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First, those who believe in the Bible being literal and inerrant only believe that this was true of the original text, and they acknowledge that there are not original texts still in existence. They acknowledge that copying mistakes might have crept into the many copies, which were made by hand, but do not believe that it has made a significant difference in the message. Of course the original books of the Bible were not written in English. Much of the Old Testament originated in Hebrew; much of the New Testament in Greek. Since the major international language at the time that the Christian Church began to grow in Europe was Latin, translations into Latin were frequent. At the time of the Protestant Revolution, Luther translated the Bible into German. In England, in the 1300's, John Wycliffe translated the Catholic Latin Vulgate Bible into English. He was often in conflict with the Catholic Church and after his death he was declared a heretic and his writings were burned. But by 1611, England's King James authorized an English translation of the Bible, which is, in updated versions, still used in the United States today. This version is considered to be suitable for people with a 12th grade education. There are other, simplified versions for people with less reading skill. There have been a number of translations over the years, some simply upgrading existing translations, others going back to the oldest available copies in Greek, and trying to be as literal as possible, while still readable. The New American Standard Bible is one such translation. What is noteworthy, is that none of these various translations have produced any significant difference in the understanding of Christian Doctrine. They are simply directed towards audiences of varying reading skills. With regard to what books were selected to become the "Canonized" books of the Bible, your web browser will take you to many articles on the subject. See the last paragraph in the linked article. How and when was the canon of the Bible put together? Carl in Tampa . |
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They could be considered the product of failed memory...basically, they're the same story...but MANY details don't match. Jim Jones had a WHOLE LOT of martyrs who "died for the cause"...Heaven's Gate...people died for their beliefs...Waco...the list goes on. Jesus is NOT unique in that respect. NOBODY saw him rise from the dead. Some SAID they saw him after...so? Paul said a LOT of stuff he knew nothing about...he's what? 1/4? 1/3 of the NT writings? Trust me Carl...you know not where you tread...I had a lot of time on my hands and I did a LOT of reading. Wondering WHAT am I missing? These people believe SO passionately...why don't I see what they see? I realized...the truth is...it's all made up bullsh!t...every word of it. Christianity isn't the ONLY religion out there you know. Others have passionate believers too. And their religions sometimes make a lot more sense. You REALLY think that God talked to people way back when but doesn't any more? It's been 2,000 years without a peep. How come? The planet is FAR worse off now than then. In your NT Jesus says "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28 "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Where is he? He's REALLY late. Or do they walk among us? How would it change my attitude? They'd stop leeching? Start producing? Stop being 10X more violent? Stop destroying EVERY school? Stop destroying EVERY neighborhood? Stop destroying towns and cities? That's ALL they have to do...change their "character" to match ours. Act like civilized human beings instead of wild animals. When MLK Blvd becomes JUST LIKE Main Street at LSL...THEN I will change my attitude. Until then, they need to be kept away...locked up in their inner city ghettos...confined to MLK Blvd and it's surroundings. I'm SO glad EVERY black city/town area has that street...the "no-go" zone. Where NOT to book your hotel. Want to know what a neighborhood is like...determine it's distance from MLK Blvd. |
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Debate me or are you going to roll over and post pictures of your mother again? Show me an original text written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. Show me the original text written by Jesus. That one should be easy...right? God interrupts his busy "spying on people schedule"...to come all the way down here to "straighten people up". But he forgets to write ANYTHING down? He doesn't "have a girl" taking notes for the biography? Did God think this through? How come he hasn't come back as scheduled? Show me ANY text...by ANY author at the time of Jesus that mentions him. Show me ANY record at all of Jesus that was made at the time of Jesus. Nobody KNOWS where he was born...lived...and died. There are guesses, but that is all they are. My personal opinion is that Paul made up Christianity using a fictional "Jesus". Much like Muhammad invented Islam. Some people can be quite motivating. Look at the martyrs who have died following Jim Jones, Heavens Gate, Waco, Ruby Ridge...they ALL thought THEY were right too. Farming...lots of free time between a crazy rush. When all your friends believe, it makes you wonder. I have nothing against the "church" concept...neighbors getting together, socializing, helping each other...it's the ruse to get them there that I don't like. But, how else could you get them there...motivate them to attend. Heaven and hell are quite the motivating concept if you can get to the people (infants) early enough, before they have the skills to question. The three big religions...Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all related. All come from the old Jewish stories. And those stories came from stories that are even older. The great flood...is the story of the end of the last ice age and the oceans rising 400ft. The Black Sea flooded quickly when the land at Istanbul gave way and was over-topped some say the Mediterranean filled quickly. People lived along the coasts like they do now. The coasts flooded...more and more...every year...it was the great flood. It was passed down orally until writing and then appears as "tales" because nobody could prove it ever happened and there was no writing to keep records. The great flood IS a fact in the Bible...but NOT how the Bible tells it. I could go on and on... |
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Josephus told of Jesus in his writings.
Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia "Modern scholarship has largely acknowledged the authenticity of the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James"[12] and considers it as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to Christianity." |
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"Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD" |
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He was a Jew, not a Christian. He had no skin in the game. He was also a citizen of Rome. |
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