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Monkei 01-17-2017 12:53 PM
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Awesome news, Trump got it done and he is not even sworn in yet. A real good getter.

What happened to the 6 billion???


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Trump is not even in office yet and he has already had his "you can keep your doctor" statement.

"Everyone will have insurance". Anyone want to take bets on that one?

MDLNB 01-17-2017 01:58 PM
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Trump is not even in office yet and he has already had his "you can keep your doctor" statement.

"Everyone will have insurance". Anyone want to take bets on that one?
He said everyone will have it that wants it. He also said it will no longer be mandatory. He also believes that it is unconstitutional to require anyone to purchase a product or service.

janmcn 01-17-2017 05:15 PM
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Yep, you nailed it. :thumbup:

The Repub's have painted themselves in a corner...and are now flailing at what to do. :1rotfl:

They have almost exclusively and myopically (to the detriment of the nation and with a +-25% approval rating)...focused on repealing the ACA.

Now that they have the ability to do it, a few of the smarter GOP'ers are waking up and trying to figure out what is really involved...and ALL of the negative ramifications that will occur as a result.

Republicans HAVE NEVER, (not even when they had majorities or had Dem's that would happily have worked with them on doing something), attempted to help poor Americans (or those with preexisting conditions) get affordable healthcare...so of course they became livid when the Dem's were able to do it.

But now we're supposed to believe, that they really are concerned with the 20 million that now have healthcare... that didn't have it previously?

So why is the most important thing now, over any other national issue...to remove ACA as soon as possible?

Because that's the price they have to pay...for being against the best interests of American citizens.

And we're also supposed to believe that..."we'll figure out the details of a replacement later?"

I mean really, who is ignorant enough to believe the GOP on that? :ohdear:

The problem of course, is that if they don't jump on ACA...they will be attacked by those Un-Americans with the attitude of... "I've got mine, screw you."

Combined of course, with the ignorance of those Trump supporters...who don't realize that ACA IS 'Obamacare.' :ohdear:

Trump Supporters Now Realize Repealing ACA Will Take Away Their Healthcare – The Business Standard News





Like I've said, the next year (I now don't think Chump will even make it two), will be a laugh riot watching his cultists try to spin each and every one of his ignorant statements/acts. :popcorn:

Good luck y'all. :D


It was comical hearing Sen Stabenow talking about the Trump voters she encountered at the healthcare rally last week-end in MI. They were crying on her shoulder saying we didn't think they meant our healthcare.

Sorry Trump voters there is no do-over, no mulligans. You made your bed now sleep in it. Stabenow just shrugged her shoulders and walked away...not the dems problem.

janmcn 01-17-2017 05:18 PM
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Trump is not even in office yet and he has already had his "you can keep your doctor" statement.

"Everyone will have insurance". Anyone want to take bets on that one?


What Trump failed to say is anyone with a pre=existing condition could end up paying $10,000 per month.

dirtbanker 01-17-2017 05:27 PM
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What Trump failed to say is anyone with a pre=existing condition could end up paying $10,000 per month.
I hope that is true, just so you can tell us that you told us so...right now I can't decide who is less intelligent, you or Dave??

It is a wonder neither one of you have volunteered for vehicle crash testing...

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dirtbanker 01-17-2017 05:31 PM
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Sorry Trump voters there is no do-over, no mulligans. You made your bed now sleep in it. Stabenow just shrugged her shoulders and walked away...not the dems problem.
Very caring bunch of public servants...no wonder they got voted out...



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janmcn 01-17-2017 05:49 PM
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Very caring bunch of public servants...no wonder they got voted out...



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It took the democrats a year and a half to pass the ACA, now Trump is going to have his replacement next week...he is so full of crap.

Republicans broke it, they own it. As Senator Schumer says "when pigs fly".

Democrats actually picked up senate and house seats in 2016.

Fredster 01-17-2017 07:25 PM
[QUOTE=Guest]Very caring bunch of public servants...no wonder they got voted out...QUOTE]

:agree:

Fredster 01-17-2017 07:31 PM
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It took the democrats a year and a half to pass the ACA, now Trump is going to have his replacement next week...he is so full of crap.

Republicans broke it, they own it. As Senator Schumer says "when pigs fly".

Democrats actually picked up senate and house seats in 2016.
Affordable Care Act.....only for those that get it for free, and screw the millions that don't!

Remember, Democrats are minorities in the House and Senate, Lost the Presidency and also lost touch with the American people!

ColdNoMore 01-17-2017 07:52 PM
Unless the Repub's come up with something that so far, they have shown absolutely no desire/ability to do, that is much better than the ACA...there will be a HUGE price to pay at the polls in the near future.

I can see easily see them breaking healthcare and owning it, resulting in a Super Majority of Dem's in 4 years and by then...the public will be screaming for single-payer.

Just remember...you read it here first. :wave:

Fredster 01-17-2017 08:19 PM
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Unless the Repub's come up with something that so far, they have shown absolutely no desire/ability to do, that is much better than the ACA...there will be a HUGE price to pay at the polls in the near future.

I can see easily see them breaking healthcare and owning it, resulting in a Super Majority of Dem's in 4 years and by then...the public will be screaming for single-payer.

Just remember...you read it here first. :wave:
Keep dreaming, but the Dems blew it by creating a
monster that was doomed from the beginning.
And they did it all by themselves!

MDLNB 01-18-2017 12:12 PM
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Unless the Repub's come up with something that so far, they have shown absolutely no desire/ability to do, that is much better than the ACA...there will be a HUGE price to pay at the polls in the near future.

I can see easily see them breaking healthcare and owning it, resulting in a Super Majority of Dem's in 4 years and by then...the public will be screaming for single-payer.

Just remember...you read it here first. :wave:

Just repealing it will be fine with me. Do a reset and give us the freedom make our own decisions without the gov mandating that we purchase their product, which is B.S.

MDLNB 01-18-2017 01:27 PM
More people are refusing medical care due to the expensive and outrageously high deductibles. Obamacare is causing a lot of people to die because they cannot afford the first several thousand bucks required before the insurance takes over their costs.

larbud 01-18-2017 01:39 PM
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More people are refusing medical care due to the expensive and outrageously high deductibles. Obamacare is causing a lot of people to die because they cannot afford the first several thousand bucks required before the insurance takes over their costs.
And there ladies and gentleman is the truthful post of the year!!

rustyp 01-18-2017 02:03 PM
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More people are refusing medical care due to the expensive and outrageously high deductibles. Obamacare is causing a lot of people to die because they cannot afford the first several thousand bucks required before the insurance takes over their costs.
That makes no sense. If people are purchasing the plans but not using them then the insurance company profits sky rocket. I'll offer you a more reasonable explanation. Healthy people are not buying the plans and electing to pay the tax penalty which is significantly less than the price of the policy. Now if you want to fix this make the penalty equal to the price of the policy or refuse health care to anyone that does not have it.

biker1 01-18-2017 03:12 PM
A couple of points. Healthcare is already broken as it is on a non-sustainable trajectory. The dems did not have the stomach to take the steps to control costs in obamacare. The public, in general, has no idea what a single payer system is so there can be "no screaming for a single-payer system". Regardless, the dems did not have the stomach or the votes for a single payer system when obamacare was passed. They also would never cave into the lobbying against a single-payer system - you can forget about that.

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Unless the Repub's come up with something that so far, they have shown absolutely no desire/ability to do, that is much better than the ACA...there will be a HUGE price to pay at the polls in the near future.

I can see easily see them breaking healthcare and owning it, resulting in a Super Majority of Dem's in 4 years and by then...the public will be screaming for single-payer.

Just remember...you read it here first. :wave:

MDLNB 01-18-2017 03:59 PM
Just repeal it and brainstorm it later. We need a reset from the last 8 years, period.

autumnspring 01-18-2017 05:33 PM
Wow talk about trying to insite fear
 
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The senate voted 51-48 last night in favor of repealing Obamacare. The only thing required now is Trump's signature on Jan 20.

Has anyone who has a pre-existing condition with private insurance gotten their cancellation notice yet?

Now seniors can look forward to going back to the doughnut hole when buying prescription drugs. Secretary Burwell said recently on Morning Joe that seniors had saved six billion dollars on prescription drugs since Obamacare was passed. Say bye-bye to that savings.
THE FACTS-
We do not deny medical care to ANYONE.
The people who need insurance are those who have property-wealth-to loose.

If, you are in the hospital and get an aspirin the bill for that pill will be about $20. You scream. The hospital is a business they need to make enough to pay staff and to pay rent and for equipment. That $20 that you were billed for an aspirin worth pennies, pays for all the people that do not pay,

I spent 5 days, two years ago, in THE VILLAGES HOSPITAL the bill was 50,000. I had AETNA insurance and they paid 20,000 covering the bill in full. We were thinking about SELF INSURING until we were old enough for medicare.
HAD WE CHOSEN TO DO THAT THE HOSPITAL WOULD HAVE WANTED 50,000 FROM US. THAT IS WHY YOU MUST PAY FOR INSURANCE-IT IS ESSENTIALLY A BUYING GROUP.

THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. If, you ask about cost
THE PRICE-you get a dirty look. If, you ask about RESULTS all that information is HIDDEN. There is nothing else that we buy where people do not ask the price and you cannot research results. Do you need any further explanation for what is wrong with our medical system and why we spend TWICE as much on medical care as other industrialized countries AND OUR LIFE EXPECTANCY-results-ARE ABOUT THE SAME.

ColdNoMore 01-18-2017 06:41 PM
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THE FACTS-
We do not deny medical care to ANYONE.
That is NOT a FACT...it is an OUTRIGHT LIE. :oops:

By law, EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE (to stabilize the patient) has to be provided to ANYONE....NOT 'MEDICAL CARE' in general.

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
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Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA)

In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay.

Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay.

Hospitals are then required to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs.

If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.

Wanna try again? :wave:

dirtbanker 01-18-2017 07:17 PM
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That is NOT a FACT...it is an OUTRIGHT LIE. :oops:

By law, EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE (to stabilize the patient) has to be provided to ANYONE....NOT 'MEDICAL CARE' in general.

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services



Wanna try again? :wave:
There she goes again twisting the words to stop the bullying...
(unt thinks they should perform preventive medical treatment to all the nut jobs! Aka Jan would be over there every other day asking for another Colonoscopy and the wackadoodle would be over there complaining his legs were sore from walking back and forth between his mom's fridge and the computer...yeah I hate to think how they are going to survive...

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ColdNoMore 01-18-2017 07:27 PM
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There she goes again twisting the words to stop the bullying...
(unt thinks they should perform preventive medical treatment to all the nut jobs! Aka Jan would be over there every other day asking for another Colonoscopy and the wackadoodle would be over there complaining his legs were sore from walking back and forth between his mom's fridge and the computer...yeah I hate to think how they are going to survive...
Although it's been evident for a while now, by your dependence on vulgar language and a limited vocabulary...you're not all that bright are you? :D

Which I guess is a good thing in one way, given that it allows me more room to stretch out...while living in your head rent free. :1rotfl:

dillywho 01-18-2017 07:33 PM
I listened in, briefly, to Bernie Sanders and his questioning. All this stuff he is proposing for free, is to be paid for how?

dirtbanker 01-18-2017 07:39 PM
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I listened in, briefly, to Bernie Sanders and his questioning. All this stuff he is proposing for free, is to be paid for how?
He wants to tax those Rich bastards that get up early in the morning and work hard till late in the day! Come to think of it that will help unemployment too. Those Rich bastards been taken away hours other people could be working...

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dillywho 01-18-2017 07:52 PM
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He wants to tax those Rich bastards that get up early in the morning and work hard till late in the day! Come to think of it that will help unemployment too. Those Rich bastards been taken away hours other people could be working...

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That wasn't what he said, though. He said everyone should have free healthcare. Sorry, but when he says everyone that means even those "rich bastards". I didn't hear a qualifier during the time I was listening. (Couldn't watch much because we had to engage in our major activity here.....doctor appointment.)

MDLNB 01-19-2017 05:48 AM
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That wasn't what he said, though. He said everyone should have free healthcare. Sorry, but when he says everyone that means even those "rich bastards". I didn't hear a qualifier during the time I was listening. (Couldn't watch much because we had to engage in our major activity here.....doctor appointment.)
Bernie is a Socialist. What would you expect him to say? Of course, he wants to have the gov control everything, because he IS the government and that would make him important, relevant.

dirtbanker 01-19-2017 07:33 AM
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That wasn't what he said, though. He said everyone should have free healthcare. Sorry, but when he says everyone that means even those "rich bastards". I didn't hear a qualifier during the time I was listening. (Couldn't watch much because we had to engage in our major activity here.....doctor appointment.)
Listen again...you missed it!

He also wanted everyone to go to school for free, forever (we don't want to hold anyone back from pursuing multiple masters degrees now!).

If everyone is going to school for free, and everyone has healthcare for free...then the rich bastards will have to pay their FAIR share (everything they can take from those hard working jerks!)...If not, I suppose our country is going to be bankrupt sooner than later, and free school and free healthcare is going to end...HUH?

I wish Crooked Hillary and the DNC did not screw Crazy Bernie over, I am retiring soon and was hoping to pursue a masters degree in basket weaving for free. I might not have gotten it on the first try, but it is free - so who cares...

MDLNB 01-19-2017 08:02 AM
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Although it's been evident for a while now, by your dependence on vulgar language and a limited vocabulary...you're not all that bright are you? :D

Which I guess is a good thing in one way, given that it allows me more room to stretch out...while living in your head rent free. :1rotfl:
NO wonder you live in someone else's home. Your home is full of 💩

ColdNoMore 01-19-2017 08:12 AM
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NO wonder you live in someone else's home. Your home is full of 💩
:1rotfl:

The poop emoji is really ice cream. - 9GAG

Thanks for the ice cream cone offer, but I'll pass...as I already have plenty in the beautiful home I own outright. :thumbup:

Maybe next time. :D

:wave:

MDLNB 01-19-2017 08:26 AM
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:1rotfl:

The poop emoji is really ice cream. - 9GAG

Thanks for the ice cream cone offer, but I'll pass...as I already have plenty in the beautiful home I own outright. :thumbup:

Maybe next time. :D

:wave:
And yet, you realized what that little emoji was supposed to be.......the message got through.
You call it ice cream, and that is funny. It really isn't. Keep thinking it is though.

Don Baldwin 01-19-2017 09:03 AM
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And yet, you realized what that little emoji was supposed to be.......the message got through.
You call it ice cream, and that is funny. It really isn't. Keep thinking it is though.
It's a "sh!t head"

MDLNB 01-19-2017 10:14 AM
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It's a "sh!t head"
:agree:...:thumbup:

dillywho 01-19-2017 01:28 PM
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Listen again...you missed it!

He also wanted everyone to go to school for free, forever (we don't want to hold anyone back from pursuing multiple masters degrees now!).

If everyone is going to school for free, and everyone has healthcare for free...then the rich bastards will have to pay their FAIR share (everything they can take from those hard working jerks!)...If not, I suppose our country is going to be bankrupt sooner than later, and free school and free healthcare is going to end...HUH?

I wish Crooked Hillary and the DNC did not screw Crazy Bernie over, I am retiring soon and was hoping to pursue a masters degree in basket weaving for free. I might not have gotten it on the first try, but it is free - so who cares...
I'm sure I did miss something. I said "during the time I was listening". I had to leave and did not listen to everything. Not trying to mislead anyone on anything. Just simply made a statement and asked a question.


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