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Guest 03-03-2012 02:41 PM

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The term "dittos" started early in Rush's talk radio career, it meant that the listener liked him, enjoyed his show and listened often. People wasted their precious broadcast time repeating this as the previous callers had already said so, so they start saying dittos meaning what the previous fans had said.

The BHO Regime started this whole contraception issue when one of their operatives at CNN brought it up at a debate, out of the blue. They know they can not win on a pro-life stance, so they changed the topic to artificial contraception. The Obamacare also demanded free abortafacients and abortion.

95% of pregnent women change their mind about having an abortion when shown an ultrasound picture of their unborn child.

This contraception debate is taking the heat off of the Regime that has ruined the economy, driven up unemployment, driven up the price of fuel, and so forth.

By saqying that The Church should accept the "compromise" ignores the fact that the money is fungible if used to pay premiums, but it also neglects the fact that main Dioceses are self insured.

The following is testimony given by Bishop Lori of Bridgeport, CT, Worthy Supreme Chaplain, which may help to show the problem of forcing religious organizations to provide abortions:

For my testimony today, I would like to tell a story. Let’s call it The Parable of the Kosher Deli.
Once upon a time, a new law is proposed, so that any business that serves food must serve pork.
There is a narrow exception for kosher catering halls attached to synagogues, since they serve mostly members of that synagogue, but kosher delicatessens are still subject to the mandate.

The Orthodox Jewish community — whose members run kosher delis and many other restaurants and grocers besides — expresses its outrage at the new government mandate.

And they are joined by others who have no problem eating pork — not just the many Jews who eat pork, but people of all faiths — because these others recognize the threat to the principle of religious liberty.

They recognize as well the practical impact of the damage to that principle.

They know that, if the mandate stands, they might be the next ones forced — under threat of severe government sanction — to violate their most deeply held beliefs, especially their unpopular beliefs.

Meanwhile, those who support the mandate respond, “But pork is good for you.”

It is, after all, the “other white meat.”

Other supporters add, “So many Jews eat pork, and those who don’t should just get with the times.”

Still others say, “Those Orthodox are just trying to impose their beliefs on everyone else.”

But in our hypothetical, those arguments fail in the public debate, because people widely recognize the following:

First, although people may reasonably debate whether pork is good for you, that’s not the question posed by the nationwide pork mandate.

Instead, the mandate generates the question whether people who believe — even if they believe in error — that pork is not good for you should be forced by government to serve pork within their very own institutions. In a nation committed to religious liberty and diversity, the answer, of course, is: No.

Second, the fact that some (or even most) Jews eat pork is simply irrelevant. The fact remains that some Jews do not — and they do not out of their most deeply held religious convictions.
Does the fact that large majorities in society — even large majorities within the protesting religious community — reject a particular religious belief make it permissible for the government to weigh in on one side of that dispute? Does it allow government to punish that minority belief with its coercive power?

In a nation committed to religious liberty and diversity, the answer, of course, is: No.

Third, the charge that the Orthodox Jews are imposing their beliefs on others has it exactly backwards.

Again, the question generated by a government mandate is whether the government will impose its belief that eating pork is good on objecting Orthodox Jews.

Meanwhile, there is no imposition at all on the freedom of those who want to eat pork. That is, they are subject to no government interference at all in their choice to eat pork, and pork is ubiquitous and cheap, available at the overwhelming majority of restaurants and grocers.

Indeed, some pork producers and retailers, and even the government itself, are so eager to promote the eating of pork that they sometimes give pork away for free.

In this context, the question is this: Can a customer come to a kosher deli, demand to be served a ham sandwich, and if refused, bring down severe government sanction on the deli?

In a nation committed to religious liberty and diversity, the answer, of course, is: No.

So, in our hypothetical story, because the hypothetical nation is indeed committed to religious liberty and diversity, these arguments carry the day.

In response, those proposing the new law claim to hear and understand the concerns of kosher deli owners and offer them a new “accommodation.”

You are free to call yourself a kosher deli; you are free not to place ham sandwiches on your menu; you are free not to be the person to prepare the sandwich and hand it over the counter to the customer.

But we will force your meat supplier to set up a kiosk on your premises and to offer, prepare and serve ham sandwiches to all of your customers free of charge to them. And when you get your monthly bill from your meat supplier, it will include the cost of any of the “free” ham sandwiches that your customers may accept.

And you will, of course, be required to pay that bill.

Some who supported the deli owners initially began to celebrate the fact that ham sandwiches didn’t need to be on the menu and didn’t need to be prepared or served by the deli itself.

But on closer examination, they noticed three troubling things:

First, all kosher delis will still be forced to pay for the ham sandwiches. Second, many of the kosher delis’ meat suppliers themselves are forbidden in conscience from offering, preparing or serving pork to anyone. Third, there are many kosher delis that are their own meat supplier, so the mandate to offer, prepare and serve the ham sandwich still falls on them.
This story has a happy ending: The government recognized that it is absurd for someone to come into a kosher deli and demand a ham sandwich; that it is beyond absurd for that private demand to be backed with the coercive power of the state; that it is downright surreal to apply this coercive power when the customer can get the same sandwich cheaply, or even free, just a few doors down.

The question before the United States government — right now — is whether the story of our own church institutions that serve the public, and that are threatened by the HHS mandate, will end happily too.

Will our nation continue to be one committed to religious liberty and diversity?

We urge, in the strongest possible terms, that the answer must be: Yes.

We urge you, in the strongest possible terms, to answer the same way. Thank you for your attention.


Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, Conn., is the chairman of the Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

He offered this statement on behalf of the conference today, Feb. 16, before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform’s hearing

“Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?”

Maybe you might want to consider "linking" the information from various sources rather than copying it nearly word for word. It is WAY too long to read. After the first couple of paragraphs interest begins to wan. I'm just sayin'

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Guest 03-03-2012 02:52 PM

publicity is publicity....eh?

We see and hear all kinds of offensive commentary these days designed to do just that...get attention...the only difference in this particular instance it serves a political purpose....FOR SOME!!!! Noting of substance...meaning what will change when time allows it to go away? NOTHING!!!!

btk

Guest 03-03-2012 02:58 PM

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Laura Ingraham said on her Facebook page that she is still waiting for her call from Obama since Ed Shultz called her a slut on MSNBC.

(He also called her this out of the blue when the topic had nothing to do with sex, as in the 30 year old political activist who has become the "contraceptive rights poster girl".)

Rush Limbaugh is not an employee of Clear Channel, but an independent businessman. I'm guessing Rush is going to apologize for diverting attention from the real issue with his, I guess, failed attempt to attack an issue with humor. I guess it was the "s" word that was the damning act here.

I guess we'll see whether Clear Channel will rate your indignation over the value of their highest revenue creator.

I guess we should all boycott anything Cloris Leachman is in, like the TV Show "Raising Hope" since she called Sarah Palin a slut on the Wendy Williams show. It was so funny to Williams' audience when Leachman did that. How despicable for that audience to laugh. Do you think that audience is laughing or raging at Rush's remark?
Cloris Leachman Calls Sarah Palin a Slut | The Wendy Williams Show

Humor???? Really??

Guest 03-03-2012 03:31 PM

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I didn't hear Ed Schultz's comment because he made it on his radio show, which I don't listen to, but he called Laura Ingraham personally to apologize and offered to MSNBC to be taken off the air indefinitely. If Rush Limbaugh did the same thing, that would be fair.

Rush Limbaugh has a contract with somebody who is paying him millions of dollars a year, and the only company I heard mentioned was Clear Channel.

That's the first I heard about Cloris Leachman's remark about Sarah Palin, but I found it reprehensible.

Don Imus apologized for his remark, but was fired by MSNBC anyway.

I can post a link of a recording of what Shultz said, but it's not that hard to Google.

I don't think Shultz needed to be suspended. What are we children? An apology coupled with the public shame would have been enough, in my opinion.

The firing of Don Imus was a stupid thing for his radio network to do and cost them much money. It was also a cowardly way to address the hypocritcal "liberal mob" that demanded it.

How many of you liberals on this forum have demanded the firing of Bill Maher. How many times did he call Sarah Palin the "c" word that rhymes with "hunt", and not even get a reprimand from his network, or Obama or anybody but conservative media sources.

This hypocrisy is incredible. I haven't even started on the hate speech shown President Bush, or the racist comments directed at Condi Rice..

Guest 03-03-2012 03:33 PM

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Humor???? Really??

Really........you didn't appreciate it, evidently........but........really.

Guest 03-03-2012 03:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 462060)
Maybe you might want to consider "linking" the information from various sources rather than copying it nearly word for word. It is WAY too long to read. After the first couple of paragraphs interest begins to wan. I'm just sayin'

X

It was an awesome analogy though. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Guest 03-03-2012 03:38 PM

When I hear folks demanding firings I picture the crowds around gallows, guillotines and chopping blocks. Just stop listening/viewing/reading if the going gets rougher than you can stomach.

Guest 03-03-2012 03:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 462080)
I can post a link of a recording of what Shultz said, but it's not that hard to Google.

I don't think Shultz needed to be suspended. What are we children? An apology coupled with the public shame would have been enough, in my opinion.

The firing of Don Imus was a stupid thing for his radio network to do and cost them much money. It was also a cowardly way to address the hypocritcal "liberal mob" that demanded it.

How many of you liberals on this forum have demanded the firing of Bill Maher. How many times did he call Sarah Palin the "c" word that rhymes with "hunt", and not even get a reprimand from his network, or Obama or anybody but conservative media sources.

This hypocrisy is incredible. I haven't even started on the hate speech shown President Bush, or the racist comments directed at Condi Rice..

Though I am not liberal, you like to paint me with that brush (apparently anyone who disagrees with you on anything is a liberal), so if I am liberal I am the one who has said repeatedly that maher, schultz and olberman deserve to be lumped in the same inflammatory and vitriolic group as limbaugh, coulter, and hannity. I have also never called any of the candidates by cutesy names. I don't think limbaugh should be fired or taken off the air, but he deserves all the criticism, censure, and disgust he can get. I listened to him regularly twenty plus years ago, but his ego has ruptured and I find him unlistenable and ridiculous.

Guest 03-03-2012 03:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 462080)
I can post a link of a recording of what Shultz said, but it's not that hard to Google.

I don't think Shultz needed to be suspended. What are we children? An apology coupled with the public shame would have been enough, in my opinion.

The firing of Don Imus was a stupid thing for his radio network to do and cost them much money. It was also a cowardly way to address the hypocritcal "liberal mob" that demanded it.

How many of you liberals on this forum have demanded the firing of Bill Maher. How many times did he call Sarah Palin the "c" word that rhymes with "hunt", and not even get a reprimand from his network, or Obama or anybody but conservative media sources.

This hypocrisy is incredible. I haven't even started on the hate speech shown President Bush, or the racist comments directed at Condi Rice..

I read what Ed Schultz said, and I don't think Laura Ingrahim should hold her breath waiting for President Obama to call since she was criticizing him for going to Ireland when Schultz insulted her.

Don't watch Bill Maher, don't have HBO, plus he's on way past my bedtime.

Speaking of racist comments, what about Judge Richard Cebull, Montana Chief Federal Judge, racist email about the president sent out using his judicial email address? This breaks too many laws to list. Cebull's apology was one of those "sorry if you were offended" placing the blame on others. He will be removed from the bench. It will just take time since only congress can impeach a federal judge. He should do everybody a favor and just resign. Cebull is a George W Bush appointee.

Guest 03-03-2012 04:12 PM

After reading nine pages onthis subject I have come to the following conclusion.

The tenet lawyers learn early on is if the facts are on your side argue the facts and if the law is on your side argue the law. However for liberals the tenet is if neither fit then bash the nearness conservative or a church or a business.

I am told that Walmart offers generic birth control products for $4 a month. If this is so, perhaps Ms Fluke$ 1,000 habit shows is a result of very poor shopping. But if someone else is pay why worry. Whether this is so or not makes no difference to me. I want the government to stop helping themselves to my hard earned money/savings....I mean its a fairness issue one that Obama hammers on day after day

Guest 03-03-2012 04:59 PM

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Humor???? Really??

How hysterically funny to call someone you don't even know a slut, whore, prostitute in front of 20 million people. I almost wet my pants laughing so hard. What a riot. The drugster is a jokester.:a20:

Guest 03-03-2012 05:59 PM

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Though I am not liberal, you like to paint me with that brush (apparently anyone who disagrees with you on anything is a liberal), so if I am liberal I am the one who has said repeatedly that maher, schultz and olberman deserve to be lumped in the same inflammatory and vitriolic group as limbaugh, coulter, and hannity. I have also never called any of the candidates by cutesy names. I don't think limbaugh should be fired or taken off the air, but he deserves all the criticism, censure, and disgust he can get. I listened to him regularly twenty plus years ago, but his ego has ruptured and I find him unlistenable and ridiculous.

Ditto. I appriciate that you can be open to both sides having over the top radicals. The Conservatives on here do not have that type intelect.

Guest 03-03-2012 06:06 PM

OK, all you guys, here's Rush Limbaugh's statement and his apology for insulting that reproductive rights activist and, I guess, whoever else was insulted.

A Statement from Rush - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Guest 03-03-2012 06:12 PM

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OK, all you guys, here's Rush Limbaugh's statement and his apology for insulting that reproductive rights activist and, I guess, whoever else was insulted.

A Statement from Rush - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Good action.
He has seen the error of his words.

Guest 03-03-2012 06:22 PM

So there we have it. Everyone can get some sleep tonight.

Guest 03-03-2012 06:23 PM

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So there we have it. Everyone can get some sleep tonight.

I hope so. LOL

Guest 03-03-2012 06:29 PM

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OK, all you guys, here's Rush Limbaugh's statement and his apology for insulting that reproductive rights activist and, I guess, whoever else was insulted.

A Statement from Rush - The Rush Limbaugh Show

I guess losing his sponsors made him step up to the plate and man up.
Republican strategist, Mike Murphy, just tweeted "The DNC should name their headquarters for Rush".

Guest 03-03-2012 06:33 PM

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I guess losing his sponsors made him step up to the plate and man up.

He is so evil and distructive to America, I just hope this ends us having to hear his venom.

Guest 03-03-2012 06:54 PM

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He is so evil and distructive to America, I just hope this ends us having to hear his venom.

Are you serious? Rush is a ,genius.Have not seen much intellect on this forum.It .does not take much thought to villify people like the lefties do here on this board.

Guest 03-03-2012 06:57 PM

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Are you serious? Rush is a ,genius.Have not seen much intellect on this forum.It .does not take much thought to villify people like the lefties do here on this board.

I am sorry if I have offended a hero of yours, but most American know Rush Limbaugh as a disgusting PIG. For anyone to use insults and slander to sell their product as he does is a trader to the American ethics of fairness and godliness.

Guest 03-03-2012 07:15 PM

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I am sorry if I have offended a hero of yours, but most American know Rush Limbaugh as a disgusting PIG. For anyone to use insults and slander to sell their product as he does is a trader to the American ethics of fairness and godliness.

I am sorry, but I cannot correspond with people who talk like you do. Why do you call people names like you do? My mother would wash my mouth with soap if I talked like some people here. Name calling is for school children, no?:girlneener:

Guest 03-03-2012 07:16 PM

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I am sorry, but I cannot correspond with people who talk like you do. Why do you call people names like you do? My mother would wash my mouth with soap if I talked like some people here. Name calling is for school children, no?:girlneener:

OK, thanks for you Response.

Guest 03-03-2012 07:19 PM

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OK, thanks for you Response.

ok.
Going to Bible study now.

Be ,a good person.

Guest 03-03-2012 07:21 PM

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ok.
Going to Bible study now.

Be ,a good person.

and God be with you Auntie B.

Guest 03-03-2012 08:22 PM

When seeing Ms. Fluke's testimony bemoaning claims that women law students at Georgetown Law were unable to afford the supposed $3,000 cost of birth control......I thought her media critics really missed the boat on the pathetic argument she presented as a future graduate of one of the nation's most prestigious law schools.

When it costs $70,500 total for one year of Georgetown Law and students are borrowing heavily to fund this, how can they claim with a straight face that borrowing a supposed $1,000 per year more is a deal breaker that "would make it financially impossible to continue in school"?????

Good grief. When you're spending $70,500 per year to get the law degree, wouldn't it make sense to borrow the money to pay for your own birth control, to "self-insure" oneself against unwanted pregnancy???

I thought Fluke's was an argument so weak that it was what a high-school mock-trial student would come up with.

Georgetown Law's Student Budget for the year 2011-2012 is here:

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/finaid...enses11-12.pdf

Guest 03-03-2012 09:19 PM

Yes, logic is most certainly missing here, but that is normal for the minds of the state.

Guest 03-03-2012 10:32 PM

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Yes, logic is most certainly missing here, but that is normal for the minds of the state.

I am not sure what this post means, but anyone who can defend limbaugh and the language he used in this case is seriously lacking moral fortitude. I do not care a bit about your stance on the case in question, or the young lady, the description he used is morally bankrupt.

Guest 03-03-2012 10:42 PM

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I am not sure what this post means, but anyone who can defend limbaugh and the language he used in this case is seriously lacking moral fortitude. I do not care a bit about your stance on the case in question, or the young lady, the description he used is morally bankrupt.

Eweissenbach - You have to realize that post you replied to is one by a new handle from an old "friend" and (s)he put it there to elicit a strongly worded reply in order to get under our skins.

Everyone knows now that Limbaugh is morally bankrupt and is from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Do not fall for such attempts as above to have "them" get the pleasure of irritating the good guys.

Guest 03-03-2012 10:45 PM

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Eweissenbach - You have to realize that post you replied to is one by a new handle from an old "friend" and (s)he put it there to elicit a strongly worded reply in order to get under our skins.

Everyone knows now that Limbaugh is morally bankrupt and is from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Do not fall for such attempts as above to have "them" get the pleasure of irritating the good guys.

Is that our old friend villagegolfer? Seems far to coherent to be him.

Guest 03-04-2012 07:42 AM

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Eweissenbach - You have to realize that post you replied to is one by a new handle from an old "friend" and (s)he put it there to elicit a strongly worded reply in order to get under our skins.

Everyone knows now that Limbaugh is morally bankrupt and is from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Do not fall for such attempts as above to have "them" get the pleasure of irritating the good guys.

Is this one of those Stupidski tactics they rely on? :rant-rave:

Guest 03-04-2012 08:28 AM

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Eweissenbach - You have to realize that post you replied to is one by a new handle from an old "friend" and (s)he put it there to elicit a strongly worded reply in order to get under our skins.

Everyone knows now that Limbaugh is morally bankrupt and is from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Do not fall for such attempts as above to have "them" get the pleasure of irritating the good guys.

I hope you are right and that they don't really like him. It is confusing when people like Limbaugh, and Beck can muster support from anyone at all. I see them as full time haters, but they all do have supporters, so I will try my best not to use negative name calling on any of the three. God bless them all as only in our afterlife will we be informed on whether they are/were right or wrong.

Guest 03-04-2012 08:48 AM

Gratuitous sex has become so common place in our society that we have forgotten the moral, biological and physical consequences. This is another fine example of the detoriation of the integrity and ethics of this secular and descending society. Perhaps Limbaugh was wrong in his approach but it is even sadder that our society was quick again to shoot the messenger over and over again rather than utilizing this issue as a teachable moment.

But then too many of my liberal friends believe they have a monopoly on intellect and again we find that they have intellectualize themselves into stupidity.

I have too much respect for most people and so I do not use stupidity in the sense of calling someone stupid but rather in their "unquestionable" belief that they are smarter than most they fail to recognize the bigger issue.

I am not qualified to debate the issue of contraceptives but I am qualified to
know that with rights come responsibilities. And so if you desire to engage
in activities then you should pay your own way. I mean I love golf but I haven't ask the government to pay for my sticks

Guest 03-04-2012 08:55 AM

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Gratuitous sex has become so common place in our society that we have forgotten the moral, biological and physical consequences. This is another fine example of the detoriation of the integrity and ethics of this secular and descending society. Perhaps Limbaugh was wrong in his approach but it is even sadder that our society was quick again to shoot the messenger over and over again rather than utilizing this issue as a teachable moment.

But then too many of my liberal friends believe they have a monopoly on intellect and again we find that they have intellectualize themselves into stupidity.

I have too much respect for most people and so I do not use stupidity in the sense of calling someone stupid but rather in their "unquestionable" belief that they are smarter than most they fail to recognize the bigger issue.

I am not qualified to debate the issue of contraceptives but I am qualified to
know that with rights come responsibilities. And so if you desire to engage
in activities then you should pay your own way. I mean I love golf but I haven't ask the government to pay for my sticks

All I can say is WOW. If I and others that fall into negative comments on this forum would use the above post as a reference,we all could be in a better position to GET THE POINT ACROSS. Well done Rubicon and I am going to go back and modify my recent post to reflect what I feel you are telling us. Thank you for showing me a better way to disagree.

Guest 03-04-2012 07:51 PM

Not condoning what Rush may have said. Just wonder where the outrage was when Sarah Palin was refered to as a pig, her daughter as a slut, public comments were made that it would be good if she had cancer or was shot....

Guest 03-05-2012 07:27 AM

Katz: What nationally syndicated personality said that? Yeah, I heard a lot of "ordinary" people slinging mud at her in ways that were beneath contempt - but can you name someone in a position similar to Limbaugh who did?

Guest 03-05-2012 10:03 AM

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Katz: What nationally syndicated personality said that? Yeah, I heard a lot of "ordinary" people slinging mud at her in ways that were beneath contempt - but can you name someone in a position similar to Limbaugh who did?

Why does it have to be someone in a similar position? What's the difference what the job status of the commentator is?

Guest 03-05-2012 11:28 AM

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Why does it have to be someone in a similar position? What's the difference what the job status of the commentator is?

I think it matters a lot. No one pays any attention to what you and I say on this forum, but millions do care what is broadcast nation wide. If it is said on SNL, No big deal as they are clearly comedy, off color at times but comedy. Rush Limbaugh is thought of by many conservatives and a accurate source of news. As ridiculous as that sounds, their are many that actually respect that &^%^%@#&^%^^$&^(.

Guest 03-05-2012 11:46 AM

Because the outrage over Limbaugh's comments were the topic. Any yahoo in the street certainly doesn't carry the same weight.

Having had some time to think about it, some of Bill Maher's comments about Palin were, IMO, over the line. There were far more polite ways to express his revulsion at her policies but he took the low road a few times.

Guest 03-05-2012 04:01 PM

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Because the outrage over Limbaugh's comments were the topic. Any yahoo in the street certainly doesn't carry the same weight.

Having had some time to think about it, some of Bill Maher's comments about Palin were, IMO, over the line. There were far more polite ways to express his revulsion at her policies but he took the low road a few times.

I didn't mention "yahoo's"; I said liberal commentators.

I don't appreciate my meanings twisted.

(wait a minute, maybe you're right. Most all liberal commentators are "yahoos" I guess)

Guest 03-05-2012 06:42 PM

Sandra Fluke v. Joe the Plumber

Sandra Fluke v. Joe the Plumber - By Jonah Goldberg - The Corner - National Review Online


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