I have no idea of where you think I am in favor of selling body parts. That is gross.

Regarding the driver licenses for undocumented immigrants is just a practical thing to do.

Shooting people trying to better their lives by sneaking into America is just a bit - can we say crazy? :ohdear:

I didn't say your idea of giving benefits to law breakers to be "crazy." Even if I think it's the lazy way to go.

I am willing to believe that the other part I said is also crazy. The part where I will shoot anyone breaking into my home?

You find my thinking to be crazy, so don't blame me for considering your idea to be one of a bleeding heart liberal. I don't feel that we should be so lazy as to give up enforcing the law just because it is too hard to do.

I see nothing "practical" as far as giving criminals from another country benefits in our country. We are a country of laws. I have no sympathy for those jumping the line, when we have folks standing in line for years to get into our country.

Tell you what, you go on a vacation. While you are gone, someone breaks into your house, sets up a family there, but takes really good care of your property. Landscapes, paints, etc. When you get home, you call the police to have them arrested because they broke the law. The burglar along with your neighbors insist that they are being good citizens and took good care of your property. You can't cart them off to jail. What do you do with their children that were born in your house while you were gone? Are you going to throw them out on the street? Have them arrested? Send the children to social services because of their parents? YES, YES, YES, and YES. Motivation for breaking laws hardly ever matters. We have laws for a purpose. If you don't like the laws, you vote to have them repealed or changed. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded at the expense of others. Instead of saying something as ludicrous as "do you want them to drive without insurance?" or " do you want them on the road illegally" you should be asking, why are they here to begin with. And, why are we allowing them special privileges that other law abiding immigrants don't have, like no waiting, no paperwork, no back ground investigation, no fees, no registration, etc?

I noticed that you didn't deny the abortion part? Does that mean that aborting/killing the baby is OK with you, but selling the body parts is drawing the line? You need not answer.

Just a question here. Let's say you are just arriving home and there is no one in the house (you and wife were out to dinner together) and while driving into your driveway, you notice a man at the side of your house prying open a window. Do you pull out your pistol from your holster or glove box, take aim and shoot the person or just hold him at gunpoint for the police?

By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her.

What would YOU do?

Shoot em in the leg

I'm a liberal. I carry. Being rearended by an illegal with no license or insurance ain't fun. Even though the accident was not my fault, my insurance got cancelled and my new policy was almost twice the cost of my old policy. I was the victim but had to pay the price even though the illegal was deported. So, yes I'm totally in favor of illegals being able to get a license and insurance.

As to illegals being deported, ain't gonna happen regardless of what party is in power. If for no other reason, too many industries such as agriculture and construction rely on illegals for low-cost workers. The law states that if you're born in this country or, if born outside this nation and one or both of your parents is a U.S. Citizen, you ARE a citizen. So, the law makes the children of illegals born here citizens. You cannot legally deport these children. If you deport the parents, an already overwhelmed foster care system will have millions more children to contend with, plus the economic burden of supporting these children. While many illegals broke the law to get here, they have not broken any laws once here. In fact, many are the kind of people you want as neighbors. So, as I said, deporting all ain't gonna happen for social and economic reasons.

Please understand I'm not condoning their being here although I do sympathize for their reasons for leaving their nations. If for no other reason than it would make their lives easier, I would much prefer they could come here legally. But that's not the case today. I don't think shooting these people on sight is right on any grounds. It is morally abhorrent (and my views on abortion are absolutely irrelevant to any part of this issue). There is no easy answer to illegals, no matter how much you would like there to be.

Contrary to what liberals would have you believe, a drivers license does not automatically translate into insurance coverage. Just because someone gets a license, doesn't mean that they will get or maintain insurance coverage. The last I heard, 1 in 5 drivers in the state of Florida are either uninsured or under insured. Adequate insurance is expensive, and many low income earners spend the money for coverage on other things. And, as you have experienced, there is little or no accountability when they are responsible for the accident.

We know what she would do. Number one, she wouldn't have a gun. Number two, she would ask them if perhaps the door would gain them better access and then proceed to unlock it for them. After all, if they are going to break in anyway, why not make it easier for them? Then she would help them load their vehicle, because after all, they are going to take the stuff anyway so might as well get it done faster instead of making it harder for them. After all, we don't want to make things harder for the criminal. They may have a family to support. :1rotfl::clap2::a040:

Yeah, right.....pro-choice. How did I know?

Do you want the legal scenario or the truthful answer?

"I don't think shooting these people on sight is right on any grounds. It is morally abhorrent (and my views on abortion are absolutely irrelevant to any part of this issue). There is no easy answer to illegals, no matter how much you would like there to be."

For real?? Shooting invaders is "morally abhorrent" but killing babies is a person's choice. How easy for you. Let me guess, you are against executing convicted killers too?

You prefer that they come in legally? That makes it all better, as long as you prefer, right?

So, what you are saying is that you'd rather kill an unborn child that a criminal? Somehow, I'm not surprised.

No, it doesn't mean they will get insurance but it does mean they can. It also means they will be a little easier to find after an accident (and, yes, I do understand people move and don't change their address). As I said, many illegals do their best to not break any laws once here. They don't want to get caught and deported, for one thing. If they didn't care about the laws, 379,000 people wouldn't have bothered with the time and expense required in getting a license that absolutely marks them as an illegal.

Typical Alinski-esque reply of diverting the question. It is right out of the right wing playbook.

Very typical Alinski-esque reply from this poster. He loves to use the Alinski tactic of ridicule- which must make him get the tingly feeling running down his leg.

I didn't say I was Pro Choice. I said it was irrelevant to this thread. You do like to take the extreme position, don't you? Illegals are invaders and should be executed by anyone who sees them? You're talking about murdering men, women and children. How can this not be morally abhorrent?

Yes, they should be detained if caught. If they do not qualify to remain in this country for any legal reason such as political asylum, they should be sent back to their nation of origin. They do not deserve to be hunted down and shot.