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Guest 08-11-2015 12:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098722)
Typical Alinski-esque reply of diverting the question. It is right out of the right wing playbook.

Give it a rest already! Same old talking points.

Guest 08-11-2015 12:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098713)
No, it doesn't mean they will get insurance but it does mean they can. It also means they will be a little easier to find after an accident (and, yes, I do understand people move and don't change their address). As I said, many illegals do their best to not break any laws once here. They don't want to get caught and deported, for one thing. If they didn't care about the laws, 379,000 people wouldn't have bothered with the time and expense required in getting a license that absolutely marks them as an illegal.

If they really cared about the laws they wouldn't be here illegally.

Guest 08-11-2015 12:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098736)
If they really cared about the laws they wouldn't be here illegally.

Whether they are leaving their country out of fear or hunger or whatever, they see no alternative but to break our immigration laws. That doesn't preclude them from wanting to abide by other laws if for no other reason than just so they don't get caught and deported. we all pick and choose what laws we wish to break. Personally, I speed but I do stop at every stop sign, even the meaningless ones in TV. Sadly, the vast majority of us are criminals in one way or another.

Guest 08-11-2015 01:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098746)
Whether they are leaving their country out of fear or hunger or whatever, they see no alternative but to break our immigration laws. That doesn't preclude them from wanting to abide by other laws if for no other reason than just so they don't get caught and deported. we all pick and choose what laws we wish to break. Personally, I speed but I do stop at every stop sign, even the meaningless ones in TV. Sadly, the vast majority of us are criminals in one way or another.

Well, I guess if you have a good reason, then your are justified in breaking the law. Makes sense to me.:rolleyes:

Guest 08-11-2015 01:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098752)
Well, I guess if you have a good reason, then your are justified in breaking the law. Makes sense to me.:rolleyes:

That isn't what I said. I so love how words are twisted here to try to win a point. I never said anyone was justified in breaking a law. I simply said we do. If I get caught speeding, I expect to get a ticket. If my best friend gets arrested for shoplifting, I expect to post her bond. If you have never deliberately broken a law, then feel free to get snarky. If, however, you, like the vast majority of humans, have deliberately broken a law of your country or state, then you're a criminal as much as the illegal crossing our border. Should we shoot the reckless driver? How about the homeless man sleeping on the park bench since vagrancy is against the law in most municipalities?

We need to come up with some real solutions. The countries from which these people come need to be brought to the table to stop the flow. America cannot do this alone. Our borders are too vast and people are too desperate.

I would love to see ESL stopped except in the judicial system. No Spanish radio or television in our borders. Total immersion in English for students. etc, etc., etc. No Medicaid, food stamps or any other form of public assistance unless a citizen or holder of a legitimate green card.

But give the people that are here a chance to be a little less of a criminal where possible. So, yes, let them drive legally.

Guest 08-11-2015 02:06 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098773)
That isn't what I said. I so love how words are twisted here to try to win a point. I never said anyone was justified in breaking a law. I simply said we do. If I get caught speeding, I expect to get a ticket. If my best friend gets arrested for shoplifting, I expect to post her bond. If you have never deliberately broken a law, then feel free to get snarky. If, however, you, like the vast majority of humans, have deliberately broken a law of your country or state, then you're a criminal as much as the illegal crossing our border. Should we shoot the reckless driver? How about the homeless man sleeping on the park bench since vagrancy is against the law in most municipalities?

We need to come up with some real solutions. The countries from which these people come need to be brought to the table to stop the flow. America cannot do this alone. Our borders are too vast and people are too desperate.

I would love to see ESL stopped except in the judicial system. No Spanish radio or television in our borders. Total immersion in English for students. etc, etc., etc. No Medicaid, food stamps or any other form of public assistance unless a citizen or holder of a legitimate green card.

But give the people that are here a chance to be a little less of a criminal where possible. So, yes, let them drive legally.

There is no official language in the US. If there ever were, it could just as easily be designated to be Spanish if Spanish speakers are the majority.

If a Spanish only speaking person is breaking the law, how would anyone know if they were from Puerto Rico (US citizen) or Cuba (perfectly legal) or Mexico (could be illegal).

Guest 08-11-2015 02:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098773)
That isn't what I said. I so love how words are twisted here to try to win a point. I never said anyone was justified in breaking a law. I simply said we do. If I get caught speeding, I expect to get a ticket. If my best friend gets arrested for shoplifting, I expect to post her bond. If you have never deliberately broken a law, then feel free to get snarky. If, however, you, like the vast majority of humans, have deliberately broken a law of your country or state, then you're a criminal as much as the illegal crossing our border. Should we shoot the reckless driver? How about the homeless man sleeping on the park bench since vagrancy is against the law in most municipalities?

We need to come up with some real solutions. The countries from which these people come need to be brought to the table to stop the flow. America cannot do this alone. Our borders are too vast and people are too desperate.

I would love to see ESL stopped except in the judicial system. No Spanish radio or television in our borders. Total immersion in English for students. etc, etc., etc. No Medicaid, food stamps or any other form of public assistance unless a citizen or holder of a legitimate green card.

But give the people that are here a chance to be a little less of a criminal where possible. So, yes, let them drive legally.

I finally your point...which is to give criminals a chance to be a little of a criminal.

Guest 08-11-2015 03:35 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098729)
Very typical Alinski-esque reply from this poster. He loves to use the Alinski tactic of ridicule- which must make him get the tingly feeling running down his leg.

That "tingly feeling running down his leg" is a quote from the left. Remember your favorite, Chris Matthews? His comment. Just like your attempt to ignorantly (not an insult) use Alinski, when you know that is more kin to the left, not the right. If you really want to discuss Alinski, we can but that would just make it easier for you to divert.

Guest 08-11-2015 03:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098649)
Just a question here. Let's say you are just arriving home and there is no one in the house (you and wife were out to dinner together) and while driving into your driveway, you notice a man at the side of your house prying open a window. Do you pull out your pistol from your holster or glove box, take aim and shoot the person or just hold him at gunpoint for the police?

By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her.

You first. I asked you what you would do. So, you throw it back with a question. You didn't answer my question. Not the part regarding abortion. That's not relevant.

Guest 08-11-2015 03:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098779)
I finally your point...which is to give criminals a chance to be a little of a criminal.

No, you don't get my point. Actually, I think you got it a lot earlier but have no real rebuttal, so are now resorting to a poor attempt at sarcasm. It really is a shame that an honest discourse cannot exist without ultimately resorting to sarcasm and name calling in this forum.

And I'm outta here.

Guest 08-11-2015 04:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098730)
I didn't say I was Pro Choice. I said it was irrelevant to this thread. You do like to take the extreme position, don't you? Illegals are invaders and should be executed by anyone who sees them? You're talking about murdering men, women and children. How can this not be morally abhorrent?

Yes, they should be detained if caught. If they do not qualify to remain in this country for any legal reason such as political asylum, they should be sent back to their nation of origin. They do not deserve to be hunted down and shot.

Why? They do it in other countries, don't they? Besides, did I say hunted down and shot? No, I said they should or could be shot coming over the border, when it is clearly posted. Twist that one around a bit.

Guest 08-11-2015 04:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098730)
I didn't say I was Pro Choice. I said it was irrelevant to this thread. You do like to take the extreme position, don't you? Illegals are invaders and should be executed by anyone who sees them? You're talking about murdering men, women and children. How can this not be morally abhorrent?

Yes, they should be detained if caught. If they do not qualify to remain in this country for any legal reason such as political asylum, they should be sent back to their nation of origin. They do not deserve to be hunted down and shot.

"By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her."

You didn't say this? Or, you don't remember saying that? Maybe that was a different person that wrote that? I may be mistaken.

Guest 08-12-2015 11:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098826)
"By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her."

You didn't say this? Or, you don't remember saying that? Maybe that was a different person that wrote that? I may be mistaken.

Different person.

Guest 08-12-2015 01:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1098826)
"By the way, I am Pro-Choice and believe that it is the pregnant mother's choice to decide for herself and not up to government to decide for her."

You didn't say this? Or, you don't remember saying that? Maybe that was a different person that wrote that? I may be mistaken.

Sorry, Lambie Pie, that was me who said I was Pro-Choice. According to a very recent Gallup poll, 54 percent of American women and 46 percent of American men identify themselves as Pro-Choice and 44 percent of men and women as Pro-Life.

Guest 08-12-2015 01:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099066)
Different person.

Must be the same person. Same name.....:1rotfl::1rotfl:


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