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Guest 08-14-2016 05:40 AM

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We are a Nation heading full tilt toward perpetual single party rule . Same as in other totalitarian states .

We already are "ruled" by one group. The
two party system" is a ruse.

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You are missing the whole point. Most of us worked a lifetime to provide for our families, NOT for somebody else's. THEY should provide for themselves. If they need something basic to survive--food, shelter, medicine--I'm happy to help. But large screen TVs, cell phones, filet mignon, pick up trucks and college are NOT necessities to survive. What is necessary is for them to get off their butts and WORK for what they want.

That's just it...they CAN'T...they're incapable. That's why I'd rather see them...gone. We throw good money after bad. It's a waste of time, they'll NEVER be equal.

For how long? Their whole lives? Their children's whole lives? Welfare should be temporary, not a "career". An entire "race" lives off our generosity. They'd be LOST without us, and they want MORE?

Guest 08-14-2016 07:03 AM

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You are missing the whole point. Most of us worked a lifetime to provide for our families, NOT for somebody else's. THEY should provide for themselves. If they need something basic to survive--food, shelter, medicine--I'm happy to help. But large screen TVs, cell phones, filet mignon, pick up trucks and college are NOT necessities to survive. What is necessary is for them to get off their butts and WORK for what they want.

I am not missing anything. It seems that most of the responses are completely ignoring the welfare reforms that happened under Clinton.
Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The programs that you mentioned we didn't need. Daycare, Pre K. Our wives stayed home and brought up our children. You didn't need two incomes to survive. Houses were affordable. State College tuition were next to nothing. Times have changed, and maybe our thinking should too.

Read the article. Welfare reform helped the lower class people. However, these families do need help, and they are getting it. This help doesn't make them totally dependent. Why paint the actions of a few on an entire group people? That is what is being done make no mistake about that.

Whether Trump is doing it or not, he is pitting the races against each other. Is someone going to look at his supporters, and say that he isn't?

Guest 08-14-2016 07:27 AM

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Hillary's tax is just more of the same almost a carbon copy of Obamas which produced practically no growth in the economy. iin order to get this economy rolling again we need at least 4% growth which will double Waziers every 14 years. Corporate taxes will be cut to allow us to compete with the tax rates offered by European and Asian companies. The best part of his plan is to repatriate up to a trillion dollars held overseas accounts and bring it back to United States requiring at least 10% of that money to be used to expand plants,factories and equipment to create jobs. This is a Huge incentive. Hillary's plan for corporation she is largely punitive and will not create any jobs or any growth.

The problem with his plan is gives the impression that taxes are the driving factor for moving factories overseas. What about wages? How do you completely ignore that? The difference in wages isn't chump change.

The second problem is high income people will incorporate themselves. Their tax rate will go from his proposed 33% to 15%, and they will get to deduct expense that they won't be able to as private citizens.

The economic plans being offered by the candidates are really the devil that you against the devil you don't know. It is a roll of the dice. How lucky do you feel.. Sucker. Did I fire six shots or only five? Six we survive, or five we are history.

Trump plan could help, and it relying on big business to do the right thing. Given their current practices, why does anybody think that that is a given?

Is his plan to let trillions come back in tax free? Why not tax them at 10%, and use tat money to repair intra structure? He has talked about intra structure, but has never has said how he is going to pay for it.

Economist on both sides of his plan have their opinions. The answer isn't a given, and someone will have I told you so.

Guest 08-14-2016 08:04 AM

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I am not missing anything. It seems that most of the responses are completely ignoring the welfare reforms that happened under Clinton.
Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The programs that you mentioned we didn't need. Daycare, Pre K. Our wives stayed home and brought up our children. You didn't need two incomes to survive. Houses were affordable. State College tuition were next to nothing. Times have changed, and maybe our thinking should too.

Read the article. Welfare reform helped the lower class people. However, these families do need help, and they are getting it. This help doesn't make them totally dependent. Why paint the actions of a few on an entire group people? That is what is being done make no mistake about that.

Whether Trump is doing it or not, he is pitting the races against each other. Is someone going to look at his supporters, and say that he isn't?

The "welfare reforms" were just more of Bill's accounting tricks like "balancing the budget" by stealing from the SS "trustfund". It shifted money from the mother to the children. The child under 18 is ALWAYS eligible for welfare. That's why they space out pumping them out. Every 15 years, wham, another "asset". Another 18 years of free housing...etc.

You see this as a white person, you see the poor soul who was devastated by something and needed temporary help...an otherwise upstanding citizen in short term dire straits. This is a SMALL percentage of those who receive welfare. Welfare offices are filled 90% with minority women. We're paying them to breed us out of our own country.

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The problem with his plan is gives the impression that taxes are the driving factor for moving factories overseas. What about wages? How do you completely ignore that? The difference in wages isn't chump change.

The second problem is high income people will incorporate themselves. Their tax rate will go from his proposed 33% to 15%, and they will get to deduct expense that they won't be able to as private citizens.

The economic plans being offered by the candidates are really the devil that you against the devil you don't know. It is a roll of the dice. How lucky do you feel.. Sucker. Did I fire six shots or only five? Six we survive, or five we are history.

Trump plan could help, and it relying on big business to do the right thing. Given their current practices, why does anybody think that that is a given?

Is his plan to let trillions come back in tax free? Why not tax them at 10%, and use tat money to repair intra structure? He has talked about intra structure, but has never has said how he is going to pay for it.

Economist on both sides of his plan have their opinions. The answer isn't a given, and someone will have I told you so.

Big business is what put us where we are now. Screwed. THEY make the laws. Their Congressional lackeys just make it official.

Guest 08-14-2016 08:15 AM

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The "welfare reforms" were just more of Bill's accounting tricks like "balancing the budget" by stealing from the SS "trustfund". It shifted money from the mother to the children. The child under 18 is ALWAYS eligible for welfare. That's why they space out pumping them out. Every 15 years, wham, another "asset". Another 18 years of free housing...etc.

You see this as a white person, you see the poor soul who was devastated by something and needed temporary help...an otherwise upstanding citizen in short term dire straits. This is a SMALL percentage of those who receive welfare. Welfare offices are filled 90% with minority women. We're paying them to breed us out of our own country.



Big business is what put us where we are now. Screwed. THEY make the laws. Their Congressional lackeys just make it official.

NO! Big business gave us this great standard of living. Politicians are the ones that screwed us. Big business pays the majority of taxes that run this country, so don't blame them for how frivolously politicians squander it away. And politicians do not have to be influenced by the rich. Don't vote for them if they are corrupt. By the way, Hillary is a puppet for George Soros. Google him and you will see what he has done to other countries.

Guest 08-14-2016 08:30 AM

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NO! Big business gave us this great standard of living. Politicians are the ones that screwed us. Big business pays the majority of taxes that run this country, so don't blame them for how frivolously politicians squander it away. And politicians do not have to be influenced by the rich. Don't vote for them if they are corrupt. By the way, Hillary is a puppet for George Soros. Google him and you will see what he has done to other countries.

No...FREEDOM gave us a great standard of living.

Politicians/government are the middle man between the people and the corporations. They pass the laws and make regulations that are favorable to the corporations. It's why a law can be 3000 pages, it's filled with "goodies" that go to the corporations.

Politicians screw us to the benefit of...themselves of course...and the CORPORATIONS who "hired" them...by giving them money to get elected. The corporations support all the D and R candidates so they'll get their way irregardless of who gets elected.

I don't vote for any D or R.

Hillary is a puppet for a LOT of people/corporations.

You're getting there...you're close to figuring out how deep the rabbit hole of corruption really is.

EVERYTHING the government does, someone profits off it. "Food stamps" ACTUALLY goes indirectly to the food manufacturers as the recipients buy their products with the money they receive. Grocery stores like WalMart profit from increased sales due to the poor having more food money. JP Morgan bank runs the EBT SNAP card (food stamp) program and makes a profit running it.

It's all interconnected thievery.

Guest 08-14-2016 08:55 AM

Time for new blood in the White House. Another 8 years of Obama will destroy this Country.

Guest 08-14-2016 09:33 AM

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NO! Big business gave us this great standard of living. Politicians are the ones that screwed us. Big business pays the majority of taxes that run this country, so don't blame them for how frivolously politicians squander it away. And politicians do not have to be influenced by the rich. Don't vote for them if they are corrupt. By the way, Hillary is a puppet for George Soros. Google him and you will see what he has done to other countries.

Talk about Google. Before you make statements of facts that are just plain wrong, Google the statement.
Federal Revenue: Where Does the Money Come From



These 26 Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax

Guest 08-14-2016 10:31 AM

I think many/most agree with you
 
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We raised our own kids, sacrificing along the way. Now that we do not have that burden along comes Crooked Hillary telling us we now have to pay for the "Village" to raise someone else's kids. DAY CARE, PRE K AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND FREE COLLEGE, all of which we will pay through increased taxes.

As I look back. My father was a wounded WWII combat vet.
My sister was born just four years after my father left combat and I was born 18 months later. We lived in a city housing project. Two bedrooms two kids and my parents.
MY FATHER WORKED. MY PARENTS WERE MARRIED. ONE WAS A MAN AND ONE WAS A WOMAN. I was 6-7 till we got our first TV. I was 13 before we got our first car.
I was taught YOU WORK FOR WHAT YOU NEED OR WANT.
I worked hard, I saved hard and we can comfortably live in the villages. We are living on stock dividends. THAT MONEY IS THE RESULT OF MONEY WE SAVED AND WE HAVE PAID TAXES ON. The year before, my top tax rate was 33% and last year 28%-I AM PAYING TAX ON ALREADY TAXED MONEY.

Back to WE should pay their college loans. I first got a degree from a two year school, I worked a 40 hour a week job and went to college at night. I went on to get a 4 year degree which I PAID FOR out of what I had saved, what my parents paid and 13,000 worth of loans. TO ADJUST THAT TO TODAYS DOLLARS that is roughly 78.000.
I borrowed the money. I worked two jobs AND I PAID IT OFF.

NOW THAT BITCH HILLARY THINKS SHE SHOULD FURTHER EXPAND GOVERNMENT, STEAL FROM ME AND BUY VOTES FOR THE DAMNOCRATES.

Guest 08-14-2016 10:47 AM

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Time for new blood in the White House. Another 8 years of Obama will destroy this Country.

Totally correct.

Guest 08-14-2016 10:54 AM

Re 26 companies pay no tax
 
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Talk about Google. Before you make statements of facts that are just plain wrong, Google the statement.
Federal Revenue: Where Does the Money Come From



These 26 Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax

It has always been WE ALL WANT BUT NO ONE WANTS TO PAY.
From that comes-the tax breaks I get are fair. The ones you get are not.
First of all, our tax code is 86,000 pages. I think, I expect we all agree THAT IS INSANE. There is a paragraph called the STARBUCKS SECTION that makes Starbucks a manufacturer with appropriate tax breaks-BECAUSE THEY ROAST COFFEE. IT IS SIMPLY INSANE. Under OBAMA half of americans pay not tax-according to the way I think they should have some skin in the game before they have the right to vote and tell those who do pay taxes how to spend their money.
I did not get any of them having been self employed so I expect I think differently than many people do. Your business funded RETIREMENT PLAN, 401k, 403B, pension, medical care, etc WAS TAX FREE INCOME. Even social security. If, you worked for an employer, what ever you paid into this system your employer paid the same TAX FREE, for you. I PAID 13% OF MY GROSS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
As to CORPORATIONS THAT PAY NO TAX. Realize a CORPORATION is not a human being IT IS SIMPLY PAPERWORK. The PROFIT is distributed to the owners-THE SHARE HOLDERS-in the form of dividends AND THE DIVIDENDS ARE TAXABLE.
Oh, I have no pension. I am living on dividends from stocks purchased with money I HAVE PAID INCOME TAX ON. I still pay TAX on the dividends I receive on money I ALREADY PAID INCOME TAX ON.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS UNFAIR? Oh and if you have a retirement plan, an annuity, etc etc etc YOU TOO ARE AN EVIL CORPORATE OWNER.

Guest 08-14-2016 10:57 AM

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Talk about Google. Before you make statements of facts that are just plain wrong, Google the statement.
Federal Revenue: Where Does the Money Come From



These 26 Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax

Ah, but you refuse to admit how much the wealthy pay. If not for big business, we would not have the great standard of living. I won't call you names for being ignorant. Being uninformed is a moral crime though (IMO). I've lived all over the world and I have yet to see a socialist country where the middle class AND the lower class live as well as they do here. Our lower class and even poverty class families live as well as the middle class in many other countries. You can even bring up all the stats you wish, but the point is, how many other countries have their lower class living in A/C homes with Internet, cell phones and cable TV? I've been in middle class homes, where the norm would be a room A/C, dial up Internet and only one TV per home.

Wealth envy is very unbecoming, and Americans deserve Hillary so that some day soon they will understand what they had and what they gave up to further a political agenda. The rich will ALWAYS be rich, but the middle class will be the first to suffer from politics. You can tax the rich all you want but it ain't gonna pay down the national debt and even though the poor may see some of the benefits, the middle class standard of living will continue to suffer. Eventually, once the liberals get there way we will only have two classes, where the rich continue to prosper and the middle class blend in with the lower class. There will not be a middle class.

Guest 08-14-2016 11:07 AM

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It has always been WE ALL WANT BUT NO ONE WANTS TO PAY.
From that comes-the tax breaks I get are fair. The ones you get are not.
First of all, our tax code is 86,000 pages. I think, I expect we all agree THAT IS INSANE. There is a paragraph called the STARBUCKS SECTION that makes Starbucks a manufacturer with appropriate tax breaks-BECAUSE THEY ROAST COFFEE. IT IS SIMPLY INSANE. Under OBAMA half of americans pay not tax-according to the way I think they should have some skin in the game before they have the right to vote and tell those who do pay taxes how to spend their money.
I did not get any of them having been self employed so I expect I think differently than many people do. Your business funded RETIREMENT PLAN, 401k, 403B, pension, medical care, etc WAS TAX FREE INCOME. Even social security. If, you worked for an employer, what ever you paid into this system your employer paid the same TAX FREE, for you. I PAID 13% OF MY GROSS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
As to CORPORATIONS THAT PAY NO TAX. Realize a CORPORATION is not a human being IT IS SIMPLY PAPERWORK. The PROFIT is distributed to the owners-THE SHARE HOLDERS-in the form of dividends AND THE DIVIDENDS ARE TAXABLE.
Oh, I have no pension. I am living on dividends from stocks purchased with money I HAVE PAID INCOME TAX ON. I still pay TAX on the dividends I receive on money I ALREADY PAID INCOME TAX ON.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS UNFAIR? Oh and if you have a retirement plan, an annuity, etc etc etc YOU TOO ARE AN EVIL CORPORATE OWNER.

That's why the corporations pay no taxes. "Their" politician made sure breaks for them were included.

Their "skin in the game" is their welfare check. With all benefits combines, a single mother can receive the equivalent of $60,000 a year.

I'm all for only those with a net positive income and property owners get to vote. You pay no taxes, no vote. And paying sales tax when using welfare money doesn't count as "paying taxes". If you don't like that idea, get a job.

A corporation IS A PERSON. The corrupt SCOTUS said so.

I think paying generations of minority leeches is unfair.

Guest 08-14-2016 11:15 AM

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That's why the corporations pay no taxes. "Their" politician made sure breaks for them were included.

Their "skin in the game" is their welfare check. With all benefits combines, a single mother can receive the equivalent of $60,000 a year.

I'm all for only those with a net positive income and property owners get to vote. You pay no taxes, no vote. And paying sales tax when using welfare money doesn't count as "paying taxes". If you don't like that idea, get a job.

A corporation IS A PERSON. The corrupt SCOTUS said so.

I think paying generations of minority leeches is unfair.

Corporations do get breaks. They also pay the majority of the taxes that run this country. Live with it.

Cut back on free loading and put those folks to work and make everyone pay taxes. Then you will see a great America again.

Guest 08-14-2016 12:04 PM

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Corporations do get breaks. They also pay the majority of the taxes that run this country. Live with it.

Cut back on free loading and put those folks to work and make everyone pay taxes. Then you will see a great America again.

Well then...lets DO IT! Cut off welfare Jan 1st. You don't work in the garden, you don't eat.

Of course corporations pay taxes but they also get to write off deductions which add up fast. They pay no "income tax" on profit.

We all pay 50% or more in taxes for just about everything we buy. Think about it. The mine it taxed with property tax, the ore is taxed when the smelter buys it, the iron is taxed when it goes to the fabricator who adds tax again when his finished product is used to make some consumer product that is taxed again when sold to the public. Every step of a products manufacture is taxed in some way. The raw materials may not be taxed, the machinery not taxed, but there ARE taxes paid.


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