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Posted by Guest (Post 1132288)

I am still a flag waving, no place on earth like the USA, even on its bad days.

I have zero pride or respect for Obama and most of the elected gang in DC.

And I am not very happy for the lawlessness and abuse of our constitution!

Yes, those Republiicans and Tea Bag-ers are abusing the Constitution at every turn!

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132444)

Yes, those Republiicans and Tea Bag-ers are abusing the Constitution at every turn!

Provide an example.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132444)

Yes, those Republiicans and Tea Bag-ers are abusing the Constitution at every turn!

Prove it or shut up. NO, just go away. And use spell check if you haven't learned anything in school.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132200)

I do respect what the person that started this thread had to say about changing the subject. However, you are wrong about the silent majority. The majority in the US wants a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants as long as they have committed no crimes other than the obvious one.
What Americans Want from Immigration Reform in 2014 | Brookings Institution

Nope, not true. It all depends on how you word your polls. The majority do not want the illegals to stay in the U.S. Liberals want open borders, for election purposes only.

Guns on the border will take care of the illegal invasion problem.

My son and daughter-in-law work for the U.N. and deal every day with the atrocities that you describe and more. It is shocking to me that people don't really care about this situation because whether they are Canadian or American, they have won the passport lottery compared to the vast majority of people in the world.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132582)

Please provide an example how anyone could be confused, if they want illegals to stay or be deported. That is a yes or no answer.

The Senate passed a bipartisan immigration bill that dies in the House. Are you staying that both parties were going against the wishes of citizens? The House didn't put it on the floor, because there was no immediate political advantage for Boehner to do it.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132608)

This from some one who either does not know anything, or is restricted to what his party tells him to think.

Yes, no reason for Republicans to pass, but as so often happens with party hacks, they have short memories and only work with revisionist history.

"Immigration reform couldn�t pass into law when Republicans controlled the White House and Congress (in 2005-2006). It couldn�t pass when a Republican was in the White House and Democrats controlled Congress (in 2007-2008). It couldn�t pass when Democrats controlled both the executive and legislative branches (in 2009-2010). And now we officially know this after yesterday: It isn�t going to pass with a Democrat in the White House, Democrats in charge of the Senate, and Republicans in charge of the House of Representatives (2011-2014). Back in 2008 or 2012, Republicans COULD argue that President Obama didn�t make immigration reform a priority, or that he took steps to stymie reform in when he was a senator. (And 2010, in particular, the one REAL moment of the Obama first term when immigration was possible, it was Senate Democratic leaders who weren�t ready to give up the politics of the issue. And the White House didn�t fight.) "

Why Immigration Reform Died in Congress - NBC News

PLEASE read this. The passing by the senate was yet another ploy to make Republicans look bad; something they have been snookered with since President Obama took office. (Read his reputation in Chicago..he knows how to play the game well).

Point is when you say that, you obviously have no clue. It is the political stuff that was being readied even before the Senate passed it.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132215)

You make some valid points in your post, especially about the posters who just want to belittle anyone and everyone. More on that later.

There is no easy answer in Syria; that is correct, but I think a few years ago, we might have been able to do something. I also suspect and this is simply my opinion, with such violent and obvious huge violations of not only the law but the obvious war crimes being committed (much more than chlorine I assure you) that any President previous would have done something

And go figure, Russia who seems to be our new big brother, convinced us not to bomb and now they are there supporting the criminal.

Obama was not handed this; It never began until 2011. It has nothing to do with Iraq nor ISIS.

And Syria does not exist any longer and will never exist again. As with Yemen, Libya and others it will never exist again as a stand alone country.

I am just embarassed that such gross human rights violation go unnoticed in my country now and we use the excuse of ...its not our business.....that is a cop out.

And yes, I lay it all at the feet of our current President. He has done a few things that I find it hard to forget and forgive....and allow me.

.....When less than half of our country agreed, he forced and he did FORCE on this country an anchor called ACA. He did it with devious methods and did it behind closed doors. This will weigh on this country for many years.

....When just over 25% of our country agreed, he signed onto an agreement with Iran and he did that in a sneaky manner (rushing to the UN after saying our congress could vote) and then manipulating the vote in Congress.

....He will make my country feel guilty over what he calls civil rights failings with one individual black death of a criminal and ignore the henious crimes through out the world (and even those being committed IN this country), even when we could, if we wanted have an impact. And open relations with a country (Cuba) who to this very day harbors murders hiding from our country.

Do not tell me that we have police doing bad things...I know that but use that bully pulpit with a conscience.

Do not tell me that nothing happens in the middle east if Bush did not invade. That is total bunk and is overused in politics, much like the distorted financial mess that Obama inherited. Bush did somethings that were bad for sure but those two things do not apply to current conversation.

It is tough for me to forgive the acts of this President that I mention. There are others but these are really hanging badly over our head. They show total disrespect for me and all american citizens. They are unrelated to Syria, I know, but I mention it because it is so difficult for me to not type angrily because of these things, and i am sorry for jumping around but the entire world is watching !!!

We have suddenly become a country of which I am not proud any longer.

President Ford stopped sending military aid, and cut off funding to South Vietnam. South Vietnam fell very quickly after that. US citizens were tired of that war, and we got out. You don't think that here were plenty of war crimes committed during that war. So, American presidents have looked the other way to war crimes.

There was information about what the Nazis were doing to the Jews during World War II. Roosevelt probably knew what was going on. We stayed out of that war until Pearl Harbor. Hell, there were congressional hearings about whether Roosevelt knew the Japanese planned to bomb Pearl Harbor, and allowed it to happen.

I am really not sure were there any congressional hearing after the fact about why we invaded Iraq second time around. If there weren't how do Republicans justify 8 hearing on Benghazi?

Syria did happen on Obama watch, but Iraq did have something to do with it. ISIS started in Iraq, and ISIS sent its troops into Syria to expand their sick view of the world.

You want to place the blame on someone start here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouri_al-Maliki

We are leading from behind. However, America citizens are/were tired of war. This had to affect some of Obama's thinking in the Middle East. Again, we had to deal with a bad situation, and he made it worse. The next president is going to handed the -hit sandwich, and good luck dealing with it.

I will post the Wikipedia history of ISIS. It is really long.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132650)

This reply is rambling and has no point at all.

The point was made by a poster and he stated why he is not proud any longer.

I join in that, and it is not all about the President. We have become a nation of hypocrites. We say we care but ignored mass slaughter. We seem to only care in ripe political situations. We say we care, but are allowing our very laws to be held in contempt on everything from immigration to race to.....and this always gets my blood boiling....sanctuary cities...set up to harbor law breakers (fresh in my mind because today, the democrats voted down a bill to withhold funds from the cities protecting lawbreakers).

No you ramble on..your goal appears to be to exonerate Obama and do the honorable thing...blame Bush.

Nobody is aiming at Obama alone...a few instances were cited as dissapointment a, but the post you are trying to respond to is about a country that lacks respects from others, lacks respect for its own laws and seems to be just happy with it.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132650)

Your post does not address our country ignoring the slaughter of children, while standing up and saying how we want justice for all.

Baloney....justice for those who serve our purpose.

Have a kid ? Grandchild ? Imagine that toddler of yours running for their very lives down a street, being gunned down and gassed and left to lie there while we watched and did nothing. No wonder they hate us. We ARE hypocrites with our proclamations. We will fight shadow box with ISIS, and when they reach our shores, we will expect the world to sympathize with us and help us.

We also boost the economy of Cuba by embracing them, while they remain one of the largest violators of human rights in the world and never even asked them while we negotiated about the criminals being harbored there wanted in USA.

We also boost the economy of the largest single state sponsor of terrorism in the entire world (Iran) and negotiate but do not even ask about the americans being held there.

We offered last week to talk with N Korea, who broke off talks with us on nuclear containment with no mention of conditions.

I suppose this is supposed to make us a good guy or something.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132650)

Your long and rambling defense of Obama and anything he did or might have done is noted.

Your continuing anti Republican theme is noted.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132650)

TWO paragraphs telling us, I guess, that we should ignore war crimes.

A then statement about invading Iraq TWICE. I thought we invaded only once. First Gulf War ended in Kuwait.

WOW..

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132658)

Keep it up. You are holding true to form. Read his entire post, and try to retain everything that he said. I know it will be hard, but try anyway.

The man isn't like you, a one trick pony. He made other points, and not the only one you referenced. When he brought up several other things not related to Syria, was he rambling? I get it. The person that responses to multiple items in one post is guilty of changing the subject, but not the person that did it first. I have no problem with his post. Why do you? He started this thread. If he wants to bring other items up, there is no problem there.

You want some other examples of mass slaughter. How about Cambodia that happened during the Nixon administration? How about when Reagan turned tail, and ran, after the marine barracks was bombed in Lebanon, which made all the sense in the world? We have looked the other way, when mass slaughter has occurred in other countries by that countries leaders. This isn't something new.

What was the Republicans plan for Syria three years ago, when all this started? Defending this president! Three times, I have stated that Obama took a bad situation, and made it worse. Please explain to me, how that is a defense of Obama, or placing blame on Bush! Again, try reading the entire post, and not pick on one thing that is in the post.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132744)

TWO paragraphs telling us, I guess, that we should ignore war crimes.

A then statement about invading Iraq TWICE. I thought we invaded only once. First Gulf War ended in Kuwait.

WOW..

First Gulf War ended in Kuwait. WOW. You can say that again. You can't be serious. We bombed the hell out of Iraq. Their top line Republican Guard troops turned tail, and ran. Iraq left their low level soldiers in the Iraq desert to adsorb the full force of the UN troops. When the bombing stopped, we drove through Iraq like a knife through butter. Iraq soldiers were surrendering to newsmen.

We could have walked into Bagdad(sp). Saddam knew that, and surrendered.