This is a gentle reminder:

1. The United States of America is not a DEMOCRACY.

2. The United States of America is a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC.

3. Learn the difference.

So if you strongly believe that the United States is a Democracy and you are as educated as you state you are, we are really in big trouble as a country. So you are for majority rule, not the rule of law. Guess that I spent 20 years defending the wrong piece of paper.

I like rational
 

I like rational; but politics is mostly psychological, and that makes it personal. And when it gets personal, it gets,...well, personal. People don't like their beliefs questioned and they get defensive when their beliefs are questioned. It brings out the worst in people. Health care debate and debt limit debates are pretty good examples of what can happen. And that goes both ways: liberal or conservative, right or left.

That seems to me what has happened here and things got out of control. Just my humble opinion.

Yarnspinner

I have been married to the same woman for 49 years and we have been together for 55. Does that count or something in this thread? I threw that out because I got lost concerning the conversation after page 3 or so????:loco:

I think you stated this very well...thank you.

You're welcome
 

You're very welcome. And thank you for the compliment.

See what a little civility can do?

Yarnspinner

That is amazing...congratulations!

Thank you, Rubicon
 

Sure that accounts for something in this thread. It sounds like your story is one of love, devotion, and loyalty. And that pretty much sums up this thread: a lot of people here with love, devotion, and loyalty for a land they feel is threatened. They just can't agree on what to do about it, so the conversation gets a little animated at times. But, sure, Rubicon, your comment fits right it.

Yarnspinner

You called Bush a drunk even though he quit decades ago. With your logic, then Obama is a drug addict. You can not see that?

yarnspinner,
I agree with what you say here but this is not personal in politics this was meant to be just personal and that is where I think it went off the rail.
Do you think that this kind of direct attack is OK?
This was not "beliefs" being questioned!

Not me.

Do not agree with mudslinging
 

I don't think any personal attack is ok -- direct or indirect. Nor do I see "personal in politics" being any different than personal in,... well, hygiene, or attire, or any other thing that is personal. Personal is personal.

But, I'm just a simple country kid from Kentucky...what do I know?

yarnspinner

Oh my, it was your goat, not mine that got gotten.
 

The reality of this world is difference. Likeness and difference. When I don't like the way you say something, the way you betray something, the way
you think about something, I tell YOU. And, you get nervous and norvous.
What is fortunate for all of us is we ultimately find ourselves in the voting
booth. Alone. There we take the aggragate of our feelings, knowledge, and attitude, and we make a choice. I don't need you to "educate" me, I'm quite
happy with the 30 years I spent in schoo and my long and astonishing career thereafter;, what I need you to do is look outward, toward other people, other people's feelings and attitudes. Therein is the openess of government that our forefathers hoped would live and langusish here. The more blunt and argumentative you become, the angrier you make the outside world.

If you would spend more time inner directed than outer directed, our world would be a better place. Just because we can talk without being in the same room or neighborhood, doesn't mean we cannot speak with our own
confidence and belief without fear of being taken to the hanging tree. I do
appreciate your right, and the right of the right leaning posters here to spread your feelings, but I also ask you to take responsibility for that which
you may say which is in terrible disharmony with democratic, social, and
emotional ideals and the well being of many, including our Country. While
an Independent, I tend to lean more to the left after a lifetime of trying to
"fix" things. The bottom line is you hurt my feelings, hurt my education, hurt
my substantial change on several systems which effect children and families.

I, too, have my feelings, have a right to those, and feel hollow when the opposition, so to speak, languishes in the menu du jour. Several posters here have tried to ask you to do so, however, it seems an impossibility. Until you have been in the halls of Congress, been in conference with the multi dimensional White House, dealt with both the Democratic and Republican
junta of the last 30 years, then I don't think you educate, rather you
theocrat. You become, as has been said, T.C. Mits. The Common Man In the Streets. I have worked too hard in my career to be in those shoes.
My brain is solidly in it's boney cabvity sitting on tall shoulders of change that make all of our lives better by work, not by talk.

Doodlegirl,
I wish you would show me where I did any of what to say.
I know that you believe that you are so much smarter and educated than me, that I am a waste of your time and oxygen. However with your way of thinking, how will we ever have a conversation that does not start with me being stupid and you being so much smarter.
I don't even know what your beef with me is. My problem on this thread was someone saying they hoped that someone did not have daughters and somehow it ended up me stupid, you smart.
I never addressed you directly other than responding to your post.
Sad that you can just write someone you don't really know off as just so much dead meat!

Looks like a copy and paste post to me.

I was watching TV this evening and it came to me in a show that was on. We are They are Sheldon Cooper on Big Bang Theory. Now I understand, it is totally clear to me now!
Peace Out!

Huh?

Read this entire thread tonight to catch up on what the fuss was about...I remember my mother, her sisters, and my grandmothers, all of which were Gentle Giants! They were larger than life and givers of love without limit. They nurtured, disciplined, advised, made wonderful meals and kept simple beautiful homes. They did all this guietly and without an inkling of a need to emasculate the men in their lives or this world. At peace with their truly powerful feminity. I am saddened at the place that women's lib has gotten us. The anger and hatred for men AND the immense amount of arrogance leaping off the postings of the female posters on this thread, is repulsive. Such from the older, wiser, more mature women...WOW! I am embarrassed for my gender. No wonder our society is in the sad condition it is in today.:oops:

Very powerful, Katz. That was the most down to earth post I have ever read here. Thank You.

I would hardly call 'having a beer' a problem.

But, as far as Obama's smoking, you're a bit out of date:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AG1XZ20111117

He's been an EX-smoker since last year.

Can some of you who seem to hate Obama's every move at least acknowledge THAT?

The point I was trying to make is that Bush quit drinking decades ago and is still being called a drunk by the lefties on this forum. To use that logic, Obama is a beer swilling smoker and a dope addict. Get it?

I can do that! Put me down as one. He has not been a good president and anybody that thinks he has is not being honest!

Hate, no, needs replacing, yes.

Exactly. I do not hate him. I hate the terrible job he is doing.

Bingo

This thread has turned so warm and fuzzy... I think I'll go make myself a hot chocolate...

LOL Yea, I think I will go to the driving range.

Me too, but that just makes me cuss . . . :loco:

Bring your laptop, you will fit in here just right.:wave:

I want to add that when Obama was elected I was not happy but I said that next day on here and to anybody that I talked to about it that he is now my president and I "HOPE" he has some good ideas and does what he said he would do with the economy and Washington.
I was not against him then but he has time and time again shown it was all campaigning and he has turned out to be one of the most partican people I have witnessed as president in my life time.
He turned out to be a very bad president sorta like Bush did in the end (except all the 911 stuff, he was the right man for the job there).

Yes Sir, we still got hope, but all the change (money) is being given to his friends.

Reminds me more of a multiple car accident on the freeway, with the remnants of all the little crunched up posts along the way .

You know we can't stay mad at each other forever! chilout

Understood.

For the record, I despised those attacks on Bush - along with the unproven allegations of cocaine.

Some people just don't understand that those kind of attacks only make others dig in their heels harder and stronger.