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Guest 08-01-2016 08:02 AM

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http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...t-page-8/?_r=0




That doesn't even take into account that many malpractice suits are legitimate and the only recourse for those victims of incompetent doctors/hospital employees...is to sue.

I'm betting that a whole bunch of folks screaming about tort reform, would quickly change their minds....should they or a loved one be the victim of medical incompetency.



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However " many " are not legit as well . And it all adds up to more expense for the citizens of this country .
Nothing is without risks and Drs. are not Divine things happen . Medical Malpractice awards should be " capped " .

Guest 08-01-2016 08:16 AM

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However " many " are not legit as well . And it all adds up to more expense for the citizens of this country .
Nothing is without risks and Drs. are not Divine things happen . Medical Malpractice awards should be " capped " .

So what price (cap) do you put on your wife/husband/child, when a doctor has obviously committed malpractice.....and they died or are incapacitated and need around the clock care for the rest of their life?


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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 08:26 AM

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I mostly agree, except when it comes to taking care of the citizens health of the greatest nation on the planet.

As can be seen here (albeit, in much higher numbers than average across the nation), all too many have the attitude of .... "I got mine, screw you." :(

I don't believe it is a coincidence that the attitude is precipitated by the fact, that most of those needing help are minorities.


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CNM

First off, it is not "I got mine and screw you" but I EARNED mine and you should too.

And the poverty rate is higher now than in 2007. And there are more Whites at the poverty level than blacks, so don't try to play the old and tired minority trick on us.

Guest 08-01-2016 10:00 AM

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This topic deserves intelligent dialog and it's no surprise when is turns into a bunch of dribble filled with opinion and very little fact. We should be discussing why medical care is so expensive, not who's paying for it. Where's the money. A middle class family should be able to pay for routine medical care without insurance as we used to. What happened? I believe for profit medical care happened. Shareholders, attorneys, CEOs, etc profiting from others illness. I believe in free enterprise but this system we have created is in a profit feeding frenzy. (IMO)

Ask the women to leave and we CAN have an intelligent discussion. With them here, it's just a bunch of name calling and ignorance.

It's too expensive because it pays well. Medicine is THE field for money besides the other "crook" professions like lawyering and banking.

Medicine is an industry and as such is for profit. It's often literally the only thing standing between us and death, they can charge what they want.

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http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...t-page-8/?_r=0




That doesn't even take into account that many malpractice suits are legitimate and the only recourse for those victims of incompetent doctors/hospital employees...is to sue.

I'm betting that a whole bunch of folks screaming about tort reform, would quickly change their minds....should they or a loved one be the victim of medical incompetency.



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CNM

Smartest thing I've ever seen you write.

I hear that "medicine" is now the BIGGEST killer...

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How do you know it was one page? Typical of people who just spout out anything without documentation. Sounds like your leader, trump.

Laws should be one page. Anything more than that is the corruption, the special favors, getting what they paid for.

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First off, it is not "I got mine and screw you" but I EARNED mine and you should too.

And the poverty rate is higher now than in 2007. And there are more Whites at the poverty level than blacks, so don't try to play the old and tired minority trick on us.

Yes, poverty is "diversifying" too! Now even white people are getting in while the getting is good. But percentage wise...NOBODY beats the blacks for "needing" welfare. The whole race would be extinct if EVERYONE didn't feed and house them. Cut them off the teat and watch them decline.

Guest 08-01-2016 11:03 AM

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Smartest thing I've ever seen you write.

I wish I could return the compliment, but as one of our resident racists and Nazi's...you (or your like-minded ilk) have yet to write anything that even hints of intelligence. :ho:



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Guest 08-01-2016 11:11 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1264146)
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...t-page-8/?_r=0




That doesn't even take into account that many malpractice suits are legitimate and the only recourse for those victims of incompetent doctors/hospital employees...is to sue.

I'm betting that a whole bunch of folks screaming about tort reform, would quickly change their minds....should they or a loved one be the victim of medical incompetency.



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CNM

That's 1-1.5% cost for malpractice premiums and actual litigation. Now, let's discuss the cost of the defensive practice of medicine, estimated to run as much as $750 BILLION/year.

Guest 08-01-2016 11:29 AM

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That's 1-1.5% cost for malpractice premiums and actual litigation. Now, let's discuss the cost of the defensive practice of medicine, estimated to run as much as $750 BILLION/year.

Unless the ability to sue for malpractice was eliminated in its entirety (surely even you wouldn't want that?), do you think that doctors would stop ordering tests that could pinpoint the exact nature of an illness or condition?

If you (or a loved one) had a serious condition, would you prefer that the doctor perform the bare minimum (or even no) tests...in trying to figure out your condition?

I certainly wouldn't. :shrug:



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Guest 08-01-2016 11:47 AM

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I wish I could return the compliment, but as one of our resident racists and Nazi's...you (or your like-minded ilk) have yet to write anything that even hints of intelligence. :ho:



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CNM

And that comment proves how bigoted and closed minded you really are. You talk a good talk, but you're as biased and bigoted as anyone here.

I rarely agree with women, you're all just too needy for me. You want too many rules and restrictions. I guess it comes with being weak and helpless. I understand WHY you're upset with the hand you were dealt, but WE didn't do it to you...so don't hate/blame us men. Same with the minorities, they hate us for being better, we were born this way.

Disagree? Throw down some facts, list all the diversified paradises. All the accomplishments of "you" compared to "us". Show us how much better women are than men. Show us all how great the minorities are at anything other than sports.

You call me a Nazi racist, show me how "I'm" the Nazi when it's YOU practicing affirmative action, quotas, DENYING more qualified applicants over gender and race preferences. That's Nazi behavior. How about FORCING us to hire a certain percentage? How about forced to "bust our neighborhood" because some minority got a loan through a government "diversity" program? The left LOVES to take away our rights because they don't approve of how we use them. YOU are the Nazi forcing us to comply with YOUR wishes.

The trouble with idiots...they're not aware enough to know they're not aware.

Guest 08-01-2016 12:04 PM

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And that comment proves how bigoted and closed minded you really are. You talk a good talk, but you're as biased and bigoted as anyone here.

I rarely agree with women, you're all just too needy for me. You want too many rules and restrictions. I guess it comes with being weak and helpless. I understand WHY you're upset with the hand you were dealt, but WE didn't do it to you...so don't hate/blame us men. Same with the minorities, they hate us for being better, we were born this way.

Disagree? Throw down some facts, list all the diversified paradises. All the accomplishments of "you" compared to "us". Show us how much better women are than men. Show us all how great the minorities are at anything other than sports.

You call me a Nazi racist, show me how "I'm" the Nazi when it's YOU practicing affirmative action, quotas, DENYING more qualified applicants over gender and race preferences. That's Nazi behavior. How about FORCING us to hire a certain percentage? How about forced to "bust our neighborhood" because some minority got a loan through a government "diversity" program? The left LOVES to take away our rights because they don't approve of how we use them. YOU are the Nazi forcing us to comply with YOUR wishes.

The trouble with idiots...they're not aware enough to know they're not aware.

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I wish I could return the compliment, but as one of our resident racists and Nazi's...you (or your like-minded ilk) have yet to write anything that even hints of intelligence. :ho:



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CNM


Although I'm actually a male, I forgot to include 'insecure misogynist' in my description of you. :1rotfl:


My bad. :D




(PS. Here's the chance for you supposed 'decent' righties to step up and condemn this type of pure bile and hatred. I wonder how many of you will? ;) )




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CNM

Guest 08-01-2016 12:29 PM

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Although I'm actually a male, I forgot to include 'insecure misogynist' in my description of you. :1rotfl:


My bad. :D




(PS. Here's the chance for you supposed 'decent' righties to step up and condemn this type of pure bile and hatred. I wonder how many of you will? ;) )




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CNM

I thought so...you've got nothing. It's amazing how long this "equality myth" has gone on...the big lie, told often enough, BECOMES the "truth".

You're a product of the Nazis, you've become one yourself.

You're HARDLY a man.

OK, enough time wasted with you...goodbye.

Guest 08-01-2016 12:44 PM

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Posted by Guest
Although I'm actually a male, I forgot to include 'insecure misogynist' in my description of you. :1rotfl:


My bad. :D




(PS. Here's the chance for you supposed 'decent' righties to step up and condemn this type of pure bile and hatred. I wonder how many of you will? ;) )




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CNM

You MAY be a male, but you are certainly not a man. At least you recognize the distinction.

Guest 08-01-2016 01:51 PM

my view on medical care
 
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Do you expect any medical practice to continue to provide services when they are losing money ?
What special status status do you have / possess ? Are you a member of a special " Tribe " or do you come to the Villages from a special place such that someone owes you and yours something special ?

By the way if you know anything at all about " Obama Care " you would be aware that the operating rules are still being written and rolled out as we go along . Consequently when it first became the Law the Regulations were not fully developed . Complying with the ever increasing regulations of this Mega-Law are proving to be extremely expensive and as a result most medical practices find themselves struggling with compliance .

A strange business to say the least. You get a dirty look if your ask IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY, or WHAT WILL THIS COST, or ARE THERE LESS COSTLY WAYS TO DO THIS.
Your doctor will order all kinds of EXPENSIVE tests often not because they are needed but to prevent LAW SUITS.
I read somewhere that attorneys add 30% to American cost of medical care.
Also, on private insurance, a doctor charges say $85 for an office visit. Under your plan the insurance company pays $45 and you have a $20 copay-TOTAL $65 AND THAT IS PAID IN FULL. WHY WOULD AN UNINSURED PATIENT PAY $85. I hate the word FAIR as it is impossible to define
BUT IS THAT FAIR? Obamacare,medicare and medicade pay even less than private insurance. Like any other BUSINESS they need to be paid, pay rent, employees, expensive equipment etc etc etc-MAL PRACTICE INSURANCE. Who pays for those WHO DO NOT? Like any business it is added to the bill of the PAYING CUSTOMERS,

Guest 08-01-2016 02:12 PM

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You MAY be a male, but you are certainly not a man. At least you recognize the distinction.

Hey, one could be a man in a woman's body or a woman in a man's body. Just because one writes like a disturbed female does not mean you should disparage him/her.

Guest 08-01-2016 02:16 PM

If we weren't fortunate enough to have Obamacare we would both be dead or living in the street by now. I know how a whole lot of you feel because I felt the same way until disaster hit. We never saw it coming. I will drive a little farther and change doctors as long as I am lucky enough to still see one.

Guest 08-01-2016 02:17 PM

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Although I'm actually a male, I forgot to include 'insecure misogynist' in my description of you.


My bad.




(PS. Here's the chance for you supposed 'decent' righties to step up and condemn this type of pure bile and hatred. I wonder how many of you will?



CNM

IN my opinion, you are both wrong, and both equally as mental. But, who am I to judge....I am though.


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