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Guest 07-11-2012 08:31 AM

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The bill is not now and never was constitutional. That's just a fact, and InJustice Roberts rewriting the intent of the bill to simulate constitutionality doesn't change that.

This treaty will be seen as something it's not as long as the effects are the same. Obama will do something unconstitutional and the SCOTUS will validate it and you'll agree with it because you are a total Obama sycophant, as well as a devoted disciple.

After ObamaCare, I believe he can get away with murder and you'll defend him.

Richie, my misinformed friend, once again you have called The Affordable Care Act a "bill" instead of "the law". Once the President signs a bill it becomes a law. Basic civics class, Richie. The law remains a law until either the Supreme Court says it is unconstitutional or it is repealed. Neither happened. It is a LAW.

You would be crowing about the great John Roberts IF he had decided the ACA was unconstitutional. That did not happen. Remember, Richie, he has a lot more judicial experience than you do.

Guest 07-11-2012 09:41 AM

Watch What You Wish For
 


The Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision ruled the individual mandate constitutional and that since the mandate was a tax it was constitutionally upheld to level such a tax. It means that if an individual refuses to buy insurance then by some manner, probably using the IRS, an individual will pay a penalty. Fair enough.

So let's assume that some powerful people in Washington agree with the premise that every American has an obligation to serve in the military and are doing so because the voluntary aspect has become an abject failure. So under the constitutionality of the individual mandate these politicians can now say everyone has an obligation to serve in the military for four years. If you refuse to sign up well then we will penalize you financially until you fulfill your obligation. This as opposed to a two year draft that as of this writing is very unpopular and only holds an individual for two years.

I am certain many of you can provide better examples but the point is that this decision is going to have a very negative effect on the US Constitution.

Justice Roberts took the cowards way out because as I had written in another thread even if the majority ruled the mandate a tax they had an obligation to return the issue to Congress because it could no longer be argued until after the implementation of said tax.

I am just blowin waway by the liberals over joy concerning ObamaCare when it is obviously bad policy

Guest 07-11-2012 10:02 AM

bad policy or good policy it does not matter...it is the LAW of the land. Until the surpreme court revisits it or congress repeals it it is the law. What you think of it is a different issue. I am against the court ruling that made corpoations people,I think it will have a far more negative impact on the USA than healthcare but for now it is the law of the land.

Guest 07-11-2012 10:08 AM

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We might have to take a few long shots to get this treaty dropped. :shrug:

I would certainly not post like that on a public forum. It could be taken with different meanings depending who (?) might be be reading the public forums.

Guest 07-11-2012 10:14 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 519815)
Richie, my misinformed friend, once again you have called The Affordable Care Act a "bill" instead of "the law". Once the President signs a bill it becomes a law. Basic civics class, Richie. The law remains a law until either the Supreme Court says it is unconstitutional or it is repealed. Neither happened. It is a LAW.

You would be crowing about the great John Roberts IF he had decided the ACA was unconstitutional. That did not happen. Remember, Richie, he has a lot more judicial experience than you do.

I'm stilling calling this unconstitutional piece of garbage a bill. Keep your semantics to yourself. The bill became law by an unscrupulous judge, but it's still a bill.

Of course if he called a spade a spade the bill would have been declared unconstitutional as it should have been. Why wouldn't I acknowledge the rightness of that. Unfortunately, InJustice Roberts betrayed his trust.

This is the biggest abuse of the Constitution since Roe v. Wade. Only this bill is going to go a long way to bankrupting the American people.

Socialists make me ill.

Guest 07-11-2012 10:16 AM

by the way Fig it is the surpreme court that determines if a law is or is not constitutional...thats in the constitution.

Guest 07-11-2012 10:17 AM

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The Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision ruled the individual mandate constitutional and that since the mandate was a tax it was constitutionally upheld to level such a tax. It means that if an individual refuses to buy insurance then by some manner, probably using the IRS, an individual will pay a penalty. Fair enough.

So let's assume that some powerful people in Washington agree with the premise that every American has an obligation to serve in the military and are doing so because the voluntary aspect has become an abject failure. So under the constitutionality of the individual mandate these politicians can now say everyone has an obligation to serve in the military for four years. If you refuse to sign up well then we will penalize you financially until you fulfill your obligation. This as opposed to a two year draft that as of this writing is very unpopular and only holds an individual for two years.

I am certain many of you can provide better examples but the point is that this decision is going to have a very negative effect on the US Constitution.

Justice Roberts took the cowards way out because as I had written in another thread even if the majority ruled the mandate a tax they had an obligation to return the issue to Congress because it could no longer be argued until after the implementation of said tax.

I am just blowin waway by the liberals over joy concerning ObamaCare when it is obviously bad policy

I am not going to play your "let's assume" game. I take only what has happened and not "what if's". People can always find "what if's" to their own way of thinking but I stick with reality.

The ACA will benefit many millions of people. It is not bad policy but is very good policy.

The Chief Justice was appointed by George W. Bush and was introduced as a strict conservative and a constitutional expert. He wrote his opinion, upheld the ACA and it is LAW. I guess he knows more about the Constitution than you or I since he is Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court - and we are just happy golfers in The Villages.

Guest 07-11-2012 10:18 AM

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by the way Fig it is the surpreme court that determines if a law is or is not constitutional...thats in the constitution.

The Supreme Court just demonstrated why it should not be revered. They're as corrupt as any other government "agency".

Justice Roberts should be impeached for this breaching of the public trust.

Guest 07-11-2012 11:08 AM

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I'm stilling calling this unconstitutional piece of garbage a bill. Keep your semantics to yourself. The bill became law by an unscrupulous judge, but it's still a bill.

Of course if he called a spade a spade the bill would have been declared unconstitutional as it should have been. Why wouldn't I acknowledge the rightness of that. Unfortunately, InJustice Roberts betrayed his trust.

This is the biggest abuse of the Constitution since Roe v. Wade. Only this bill is going to go a long way to bankrupting the American people.

Socialists make me ill.

Hope you have a barf bag handy or are close to the bathroom. barf

Guest 07-11-2012 11:09 AM

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by the way Fig it is the surpreme court that determines if a law is or is not constitutional...thats in the constitution.

Fig should know that....he is a big backer of the constitution.

Guest 07-11-2012 11:28 AM

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The Supreme Court just demonstrated why it should not be revered. They're as corrupt as any other government "agency".

Justice Roberts should be impeached for this breaching of the public trust.

Chief Justice Roberts actually made the right call. He played the empire as he is supposed to do between the Republican and Democrat blocks fighting over the Affordable Health Care Act.

Still think he is playing chess so to speak by creating an argument to overrule Roe vs. Wade on the basis of that decision's overreaching. The Republicans have a much better argument against Roe v. Wade and its making law rather than ruling on the Constitutionality of law.

Guest 07-11-2012 01:50 PM

DaleMN, no the SCOTUS only imterupts the law as THEY think it applies to the Constitution. The 5-4 McDonald v DC is an example of 4 being wrong about one of the Bill of Rights, and then good ole lady Ginsburg tells a country don't look at the US Constitution as an example to use. She should have been impeached for saying that.

Guest 07-11-2012 02:03 PM

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I am not going to play your "let's assume" game. I take only what has happened and not "what if's". People can always find "what if's" to their own way of thinking but I stick with reality.

The ACA will benefit many millions of people. It is not bad policy but is very good policy.

The Chief Justice was appointed by George W. Bush and was introduced as a strict conservative and a constitutional expert. He wrote his opinion, upheld the ACA and it is LAW. I guess he knows more about the Constitution than you or I since he is Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court - and we are just happy golfers in The Villages.

bugyone: You won't play "what if's" because the potential of "what if" scare the bejesus out of you.

As to the ACA helping millions I didn't realize there were that many people holding poltical office in Washington DC

As to Chief Justice Roberts he may have been appointed by G. W. and he may be conservative but he was a coward here, he created bad law and he sanctioned a bad policy that will damage this country badly. Again if he felt the individual mandate was a tax then he had to send the case back because nothing could have been decided until the tax was being implemented and that won't occur until 2014....and you can't use an adjective such as "happy" with me in connection with golf because the game is driving me crazy and i beginning to think the ball is doing it on purpose

Guest 07-11-2012 02:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 519924)
Chief Justice Roberts actually made the right call. He played the empire as he is supposed to do between the Republican and Democrat blocks fighting over the Affordable Health Care Act.

Still think he is playing chess so to speak by creating an argument to overrule Roe vs. Wade on the basis of that decision's overreaching. The Republicans have a much better argument against Roe v. Wade and its making law rather than ruling on the Constitutionality of law.

He's not supposed to straddle the political parties, or be an umpire, he's supposed to rule on constitutionality. He failed as miserably in performing his duty, as you are in analyzing his decision in regard to his role in U.S. government.

Guest 07-11-2012 02:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 519883)
The Supreme Court just demonstrated why it should not be revered. They're as corrupt as any other government "agency".

Justice Roberts should be impeached for this breaching of the public trust.

In my opinion he was paid off, and don't say that couldn't happen. Were talking about Chicago politicians after all.


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