17 year olds should not have the right to vote. Today's mindset, it seems, is what difference does it make. Well the difference is our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Laws of the Land. I'm thinking that one or the other political institutions think it may get them more votes. As I said, I did not get to vote on this change and it should be voted on not just decided by someone with the wrong mindset our our laws.

No one is saying that 17 year olds can vote in a General election.

At what age do you believe voters should be removed from voter rolls?

Sorry I'm speaking about the recent decision I believe in Ohio that allows 17 year olds who will be 18 by the General Election to vote in 2016 Presidential Primary.
There should be no change in the 18 year old voters right.

In Ohio, persons who will be 18 as of the date of the general election have been allowed to vote in the primary for that general election for several decades. It makes sense that they should be able to and it is up to the state to make that determination.
"17-year-olds can vote in primaries and caucuses in large number of states, including Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio*, South Carolina, Virginia, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Seventeen-year-olds may also vote in District of Columbia primaries. Most have done this by state law, but others by changing state party rules. "

Here is the Ohio law from 1981
3503.011 Qualifications of electors for primary elections.

At a primary election every qualified elector who is or will be on the day of the next general election eighteen or more years of age, and who is a member of or is affiliated with the political party whose primary election ballot he desires to vote, shall be entitled to vote such ballot at the primary election.


Now explain to me why a GOP secretary of state would say that 17 year olds cannot vote in a primary? Democracy is always advantaged by allowing eligible voters the opportunity to exercise their vote. Sadly that right is now opposed by one party far too often. Every Ohio Sec of State since 1981 has understood the law and allowed 17 year old voters. It was this SOS, Husted, who apparently can't understand the law he is there to administer. And a judge set him straight.

It is my opinion that 17 year olds should not be able to vote. I understand it works the same for either party etc. Why not make it 16 years of age then, what difference does it make. They have a drivers license and I'm guessing they have to declare their political preference at that age as well. Laws of adult age for drinking, per say, have been established for a reason and it's based on when we think a child has to potential to make the right decision.
I believe the age for voting was originally established for the same reason.
Can you imagine a child lawfully drinking at 17. The establishments, in my opinion have overstepped their obligation to do the will of the people. That' why this voting question, I believe, like the drinking age should be put before the people to decide whether or not a child should be able to vote in the Presidential Primary.

I am going to type very slowly so you can understand the law. I will not bother with explaining about how we have legislatures to enact laws, executives to sign and enforce, and judges to interpret for another day. But we don't put every issue before the voter in part because some voters don't read or understand apparently.
The law in Ohio and elsewhere is very specific. Pay attention. If you are going to be 18 (Eighteen) on the day of the general election in November, then in that case you may also vote in a primary to select which candidates will appear for your party on that ballot. Not all 17 year olds can vote in the primary, only those who will be 18 by election day. So your rant about 16 year olds is God awful stupid isn't it?

You could have left out that last line when responding to that person's post. Was that really necessary?

Everyone making such a fuss over this.

It's all irrelevant. It doesn't matter because you will pick one of their bought and paid for talking heads. Trump, Sanders, Clinton, it doesn't matter. The corporations own them all. Trump is a financier, he's in with the bankers. Nothing of significance beyond social issues will change with any of them. The money will flow.

Did you have a point?

The post was a bait thread, to get people riled up over a supposed suggestion that a Canadian was told he/she could vote. Total BS, but still that's the subject, not voting age.

I'm sorry if some of you took my opinions as bait.
I merely wanted to wanted to express my opinion on:
1. Voting Age
and
2. A law that I thought should be on a ballot

Apparently the repeater responding to my posts had no opinion of their own, other than to follow whatever laws are forced on us by those Talking Heads, as one has put it.

Well let's hope those Heads don't take away our Freedom of Speech less we'd have to close this Forum. Thus people are able to call others Stupid.

Their self imposed limitations do not allow reasonableness.

I'm guessing you don't know who is financing Sanders. You will be pleasantly surprised.

https://berniesanders.com/press-rele...raising-power/

None of that matters, just like Trump not taking whomever's money either. it's just part of the theater. This is what the "primaries" are for, to whittle down the field of bought and paid for candidates to "the lesser of two evils" that the public will accept and vote for. ANY candidate that gets the D or R party nomination, is bought and paid for.

As long as people keep voting for a D or R nothing will really change. A few social issue bones will be thrown our way as they loot us. It's not a choice for you if I decide which two you can choose from.

Maybe you need to do a little more digging, a little more reading and a little less stereotyping based on hearsay. I know it takes effort.

Trump is paying for everything by loaning himself money. Later with other peoples money coming in he will be paying himself back. He's not worth 10 billion by accident.

Sanders is worth about $520k, big deal. If he was lining his pockets all along he would be doing better. His supporters are paying the campaign bill at about $27 per person.

Bernie is an Anti-American jerk and will probably shrivel up and croak well before the elections anyway. He is an ancient throw back to stalin and probably has more in common with Bill Ayers than Americans. I am glad that only ignorant young people are supporting the clown, Bernie. Young people believe they are entitled and he is pandering to them. No adult is stupid enough to listen to his anti-American garbage, even if they are Democrats.

I will preface this by saying that I did not vote for Trump. I voted against him, not that it will do any good.

You have a very bad outlook on elections. You say "any candidate...D or R...is bought and paid for." If that is the case, Trump would not be having to fight both the D's AND the Republican establishment. Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control. The RNC wants to control their candidates and he is out of control. Yet, he has brought millions of new voters out to vote for him. If you think that all candidates are bought, then explain the details of who controls Trump.

By your way of thinking, I suppose that you do not vote, because all candidates are evil and controlled.

Even though I do not like Trump and think he is out of control, he is bringing something to the party that hasn't been there for a long time....an influx of new voters. That is why everyone from the left, plus the RNC are ganging up on him. And he will probably win, in spite of all the opposition. He may very well be what we need right now.....even if he is crude. We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly.

If/when the R party "accepts him and endorses him" you will know he's been "captured" by them. He IS a financier, he hangs with the big bankers, that's a strike against him right there. You don't get $billion loans if you're not "connected". I'm afraid he's a fraud, all talk, he wants the title and will, like the rest, do and say anything to get it.

I don't vote for any D or R candidates. I thought of running for Congress when I retired, I knew of the corruption and wanted to change the world, I had the time now. Well, "they", the Ds and Rs, the "system" has made it virtually impossible to run without D or R nomination. ANY independent has gone through hell to get on the ballot. They've gotten ten of thousands of signatures, they deserve your vote more than a prostitute working for big money. You/we all lose when a D or R gets elected.

He may well be "our Hitler", if he goes independent, forms his own party...

I feel sorry for you. YOU have a very negative outlook on life. I wonder what you really expect from anyone that is elected in politics. Just a note, if you don't vote, then you really have no position in the status of our government. If you are anti-establishment, then vote for the socialist. He proclaims (falsely) that he is anti-establishment. But, the only time he wasn't part of the establishment was the first 40 years of his life when he was an unemployed hippie.

I have a very negative outlook on the psychopaths who "lead" us. They're ALL power hungry crooks out to get what they can. Everything is done with underhanded deals.

What do I expect? How about the physicians motto? Do no harm? I expect them to provide the conditions under which people can be free to do what they want. Which is the opposite of what they do now. They make MORE rules and regulations. Most are FILLED with perks for their "contributors".

If you DON'T have a negative outlook on government, you're either naive, intentionally overlook it, or an imbecile.

What would your political advice be for young Bernie? Work within the establishment for change or work outside of the establishment? I'm glad he is part of the establishment.

Read about a politician I do admire.

Former Rep. Wayne Gilchrest sees 'a political system infiltrated with sociopaths - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

I know this man because his son married my niece. We've had dinner and it was amazing listening to his beltway stories.

"While teaching at Kent County High School on the Eastern Shore, Gilchrest ran against four-term 1st District Democratic incumbent Roy Dyson in 1988. Dyson was plagued by allegations of improper contributions from defense contractors,[3] questions about his sexual orientation,[4] and the suicide of his top staffer.[5] Despite being badly outspent, Gilchrest lost narrowly to Dyson.[6] He sought a rematch in 1990; this time soundly beating Dyson by 14%."

I could support him too but he was pushed out by his own party.

'Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control."


"We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly."

Sounds like the same thing the repub establishment is saying. So, you are as bad as them.

It is obvious the only politicians, people and countries that think Trump is dangerous are the ones who have much to lose if he is elected. The establishment like the political party, do nothing, cronyism, keep my donors happy as they focus on re-election. Don't do anything or say anythin that might offend anybody. Do not represent we the people.

They do not like that he is a threat to the status quo of both parties.

As for the countries that dislike him it is simply because he is a threat to their financial and trade benefits at the expense of America and it's people.
They do not want the flow of billions to be interrupted.

?????????????

Lets look at documented in person voter fraud in Texas:

Texas governor helps debunk his own voter-fraud argument | MSNBC

As for the Black Panthers...2 of them at 1 polling place caused 99.98% of voters from voting....seriously!

This laughable! 17 years old have been brainwashed by their teachers. Molded into the liberal way for greed, government handout, and 100% Union unfunded retirement to substation the voting base. If anybody should be purged from government it's the 80 plus year old politician's and supreme courts justices.