In Florida one doesn't need ID to vote by mail. It's as simple as calling your elections office and requesting a mail-in ballot. The supervisors of election encourage everyone to vote by mail. It makes their jobs that much easier on election day.

the FL call in /mail routine pretty much demonstrates the problem trying to be solved beautifully!!

btk

IMHO I think early voting should be eliminated. I say this as someone who always votes early. I think absentee ballots should be for shut-ins only. Everybody knows when election day is. If you can't be in town to vote then you're out of luck. I know this is harsh and I'm ready for the arrows.

The Republican's real motive: only proven legally qualified people can vote.

The Democrat's real motive: let everyone vote without scrutiny.

You're welcome Dale.

Could I ask that you clarify your comment intent? I'm sure that you are not suggesting that churches would advocate voter fraud? That would be a very unkind, let alone uncalled for statement. Surely that was not your intent.

Richie I like the guidelines you provided but would modify the presentation ever so slightly:

For voter voter ID: only proven legally qualified people can vote.

Against voter ID: let everyone vote without scrutiny (as many times as possible).

How could ANYBODY be against it?

btk

My intent was to say that elderly African-American people who can't get a birth certificate because they were not allowed to be born in a hospital because of their race and therefore cannot get a voter ID, have the option of voting by mail in Florida. These people have been voting for years, but were never required before to have a government issued photo ID.

janmcn Really! You believe that an "elderly" person having lived that long hadn't secured a photo ID card. Really!

As I dwell on this subject, a few thoughts....

.....Last week, Obama’s home state of Illinois passed a law requiring government-issued photo identification for the purchase of industrial drain cleaners. NO outrage over this

.....Many grocery stores if not all require a photo Id to pay with a credit card.

....Airline traffic requires a photo id

....Buying alchol requires a photo ID

....You cannot apply for social services without a photo id (just learned this one)


That is one side of the picture...

Illegal immigrants are infamous for lying and defrauding the photo id requirements to get jobs and it is so prevelant that states are now passing strong laws to punish these folks. WHY would they not lie to vote ? It seems it is easier than buying something to unclog your drain or buy booze or apply for welfare.

Now put them all togther and you have a recipe for disaster

The democratic party and our government is concerned about folks being disinfranchised. They mention some specific cases. The money they spend, the democratic party, etc, to bus voters in and go house to house to take folks to the polls would for sure pay to assist those who need help to get an id..dont you think.

Requirements for Medicare
 

janmcn, The following are required to apply for Medicare benefits for identification purposes:

• your original birth certificate or other proof of birth [more info] (You may also submit a copy of your birth certificate certified by the issuing agency).;
• your original citizenship or naturalization papers [more info];
• a copy of your U.S. military service paper(s) (e.g., DD-214 - Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) if you had military service before 1968; [more info]; and
• a copy of your W-2 form(s) [more info] and/or self-employment tax return [more info] for last year.

With these you should be able to get a photo id. Are you telling me that these 'elderly African American people' have not received Social Security benefits? I will agree with you if you can introduce me to just five of these people. Otherwise, your argument does not hold water. This may seem stubborn, but I'm from Missouri and you have to show me.

Meet Dorothy Cooper and Thelma Mitchell. I'll be back with three more as soon as I get back from cheerleading practice.


96-Year-Old Black Woman Denied Right to Vote in Tennessee - COLORLINES


http://www.nationofchange.org/93-yea...-id-1324999846

1. I do not doubt the veracity of the general story, but if you have to go to websites like this you are stretching quite a bit.

2. In both cases, there was a clerical error and each has a sentence, albeit not emphazed that each of them could actually vote one they did what was required.

3. I actually as a result of MY error in not understanding had that problem (the marriage certificate) with my wifes drivers liscense renewal, readily fixed.

4. This sentence from your second link "The incident is the just latest in a series of reports of senior citizens being denied their constitutional right to vote under restrictive new voter ID laws pushed by Republican governors and legislatures. These laws are a transparent attempt to target Democrat constituencies who are less likely to have photo ID’s, and disproportionately affect seniors, college students, the poor and minorities." says it all...TOTAL AND COMPLETELY POLITICAL.

5. I am betting that there are older black women who vote Republican.

6. Even though they can vote, no matter your distorted presentation, can they buy drain cleaner ?