It just saddens me that liberals what to put poor people out in the cold thats all.

It's not that far fetched. You want to know the the crackpot environmentalist leftists want for our society, all you've got to do is watch that show "Living with Ed", that was on for a while, where he tried to make his own power and rode bikes everywhere, etc., etc.

It's about devolution of our society.

So you think its the liberals that killed this pipeline? Now a dose of reality.

Nebraska is a RED STATE

Here is the truth:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77U3A620110831

The Republican Governor asked Sec Clinton to deny the permit because it put at risk a major WATER source. (WATER is king in the West)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1QK20111116

Not even the legislature wanted the pipeline along that route...why? WATER

Don't think are many liberals in that government body. Have you even been to Nebraska? I have.

Please do some research and look before you leap......:boxing2:

This time its NOT the pot smoking liberals but do you know how much pot grows in Nebraska? I was playing golf in Curtis, NE it was growing all over the course. To bad I don't smoke free grass!!!!

If my memory servers correctly it was Obama that said no to the pipeline.

There's no doubt liberals don't care about us poor folk. We can't afford skyrocketing gas, home heating oil and electricity prices. Not all of us are rich liberal fat cats that can afford 6 dollar a gallon gas while the rest of us suffer. Some of us have to drive 30 or 40 miles each way to work... if we can still find it.

Tell me, what's Obama's plan for energy independance? Half billion dollar loans to solar panel companies that go bankrupt?

Just another case of the left not caring about anyone but themselves, leaving the little man out in the cold as usual.

You didn't read the links did you? The Nebraska Governor and Legislature asked the administration, actually sent a letter to Sec. Clinton, to have TransCanada reroute the pipeline away from the sensitive areas. TransCanada has NOT yet proposed another route. There is nothing to approve.

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/key...d-2116504.html

Obama's plan for energy independance is green energy, he has clearly stated that.....what was Bush's plan? Clinton's plan, Bush 1's plan?

The US government has NOT had any plan in my lifetime for energy independance.

I don't like the loan anymore than you do but I could most likely find something just as stupid in a previous administration.

I have downsized my car to 4 banger....didn't do much for the gas mileage but I tried. I can't afford $6.00 gas anymore than you can.

WOW Green Energy!!

How's that working for everyone these days especially the poor among us? Anyone out there dumping Obama's green juice in their cars or home furnaces? Total BS.

It an't the Conservative movement that trys to scrap drilling and coal where ever they possibly can. The left does nothing and has done nothing but demonize and attack every single energy sector this country depends on. FACT

More evadance that liberals don't care about those suffering in this country. They only care about keeping their own power and keeping people beholding to them.

Very cruel people in my book.

wow,to blame one group(liberals)for our energy problems is just wrong. How anyone with any sense can believe that garbage is beyond my scope. Our energy problems have been going on since the 1970's through conservative and liberal eras.

Tell me, what group is largely responsible for not allowing drilling? conservative groups or liberal groups? I don't think many of the radicle environmental groups that like to sue to stop most any oil or gas exploration are staffed by many conservatives.

Was it a Conservative group in northern CA that stopped water to the farmers because a little guppy they found in the canals?

"Yesterday, at a meeting of the Legislature's Energy and Telecommunications Interim Committee, Democrats voted against an energy policy that would support Montana's oil, gas, and coal industries."

"Wed Sep 24, 2008 Gore urges civil disobedience to stop coal plants"

"Jay Leno takes the Democrats to task for blocking oil drilling in the Arctic Nat."

"Democrats are scrambling to appear pro-drilling — hence the “Drill Act” title for Thursday’s bill — even as leaders such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., are dead set against reversing the drilling bans."

"Democrats cited last year's BP oil spill in defeating a Republican plan to allow more coastal oil and gas exploration and speed drilling permits."

I can go ON and ON and ON.

That's exactly right. And what group conservative or liberal is largely responsible for opposing oil, gas and coal exploration?

How about filing lawsuits to stop oil, gas and coal exploration... or even farming for that matter?

Get a clue...

Gotta agree with you dklassen! Obama claims to have said NO and he wants credit for saying NO =He said NO.

What people like waynet fail to understand is the American people are wise to the liberal lie and subversion. Liberalism fails every time it's tried... that's rather obvious after three years of Obama. That's why Obama and the democrats are going down in flames this Nov just like they did the last Nov elections.

Dear God! I hope you are right!!!! :bigbow:

Get your facts straight
 

If you read today's newspaper, you would have seen the article titled "Keystone pipeline gets second chance". The article starts out "Reports of the death of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline to supply Alberta crude oil to Texas refineries appear to be greatly exaggerated".

It goes on to say "In a phone call to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, President Obama said TransCanada can submit an amended plan to reroute the pipeline around an envionmentally sensitive aquifer in Nebraska".

"This outcome is one of the scenarios we anticipated," CEO Russ Girling said, adding that TransCanada would reapply for a presidential permit.

Why don't you get the facts straight?

Purely political at the cost of American jobs we need now. He wants to wait until after the election. Again Omaba puts himself before the American people.

Speaking of facts...

http://objectivistindividualist.blog...-pipeline.html

Facts are very straight. All the facts presented were posted with the appropriate links, even to the company saying selling the oil to China is an option they won't ignore.

Maybe things will change, maybe they won't, but that doesn't alter the truth of the facts of yesterday.

Did you forget that Bush cut the funding for LIHEAP 5 years in a row? He sure cared about the poor. Perhaps you did.

What has the conservative movement done for the poor of the country...Provide some links.......

Here's one-
http://www.urbancure.org

Nice dodge but it's the liberal left wing ideology that's driving up energy costs and it's that exact ideology that's recking America. The only compassion liberals have is for their government, not the people they seek to control and enslave.

I noticed you didn't respond....what type of energy policy did Bush have?

A secret meeting with the big oil boys? That's a matter of public record.

Katz... I asked for links about the conseratives helping the poor.

That is just another Repub hate site as far as I could see.

Attacks on the NAACP, Planned Parenthood...the payroll tax cut is a welfare scam. I work, I'm not on welfare, I paid a higher tax rate than Rommey. What makes the payroll tax cut a welfare scam. Do people on welfare pay payroll taxes? I don't think so.

Enlighten me...why is cutting the payroll taxes a welfare scam?

The best way to help the poor is to get them off the dole and onto jobs where they can find some personal pride.

OH wait a minute; the pipeline besides generating union jobs will open the opportunity for thousands and thousands of ancillary jobs to support the project and it's maintenance in the years ahead.

OK, that's a way to help the poor. Get them off the dole and into employment. That can also be helped by get government out of business's way through business tax cuts, capital gains tax cuts and eliminating taxes on any money brought back into the U.S.

That's another way to create jobs and help the poor.

Any energy policy means absolutely nothing when you have leftwing environmental groups (and others) suing at every turn and liberal judges upholding the suits. Thats exactly what I mean. You don't see conservative groups demonizing and suing every energy sector that's most important to us as a nation do you?

Perfect example. You call them big oil boys. We all know liberals hate "big oil" You gonna fill your gas tank with water this week?

There in lies the exact problem. Liberals want people on the dole. They want their constituents dependent on them and not themselves.

Lets get one thing straight if you think I am a left wing liberal you are sadly mistaken. So what would you call the oil companies...why did Cheney meet with them in secret? You all hate secret meetings don't you.

Nah....I hardly ever have to fill up my tank...I am most often in a rental car. This week I do have to drive to Atlanta on business so no water for me.

But your need for cheap oil doesn't mean you can polute my drinking water to get it. No left evironmentalist here....I just want safe drinking water in El Paso County.

You are against any type of a social safety net? So that would mean no welfare, no medicaid, unemployment, food stamps....how far are you willing to go?

So........Rental cars don't use gas?

The net has become a little to comfortable. There's less and less incentive to get out of it.

Especially with liberals fighting for their right to get more and more.

Yes but I don't pay.....

I believe that a social safety net is needed for those who find themselves in trouble. I don't believe that anyone is entitled to skate through life on welfare.

In these exordinary times the extended unemployment benefits have been necessary. Given the levels of unemployment benefits I really don't understand how the Repubs can make a point that those are a good as a job. Not from what I have seen.

BTW just what things are the liberals trying to get more and more?

Well, somebody pays for the gas. I guess then as long as someone pays for the gas you don't care where it comes from or what it cost.

He asked me if I was going to put water in my tank this week... I said no I would be in a rental. Just answered the question.

I guess I misunderstood your statement then?

If so then I retract the question, if not?

It's not a hate site. It is an organization set up by an African American woman, formerly pro-abortion, fomerly living on welfare and formerly consumed by drugs. In her own words, she has woken up, she has changed her world and gotten herself free from Uncle Sam's Plantation. She works day and night to help others be free from the teat of government, so they too can live lives of dignity, self worth, confidence and their own success. Where is the hate in that?!?!?

I still work full time in Hospitals on computers....this week Grady in Atlanta. First 2 weeks in Jan Elmurst in NY that's why the statement I am generally in a rental car.

I looked at the speech in the headlines....

"NAACP Plantation Masters play the Race Card"
"Payroll Tax Cut is a Welfare Scam"

I even asked how the Payroll Tax Cut could be a Welfare Scam but no one answered. So how it is a Welfare Scam?

Did you read the articles or just the headlines? Can't always judge the book by it's cover. To whom did you direct your question? Here's the article in it's entirety...maybe it can answer your question?

~"Last year, a one-year cut in the payroll taxes that working Americans pay to finance Social Security was enacted in the name of so-called economic "stimulus."

But, like the rest of the economic stimuli that have come from Washington over the last three years, the only thing that has been stimulated is the growing hole of national debt into which we sink deeper and deeper.

Now, unsurprisingly, our president and his Democratic colleagues want to continue, and possibly expand, this payroll tax holiday despite its obvious failure.

Wait a second: Failure is a matter of definition.

If the point was to help get our economy back on the road to growth and prosperity, the payroll tax holiday has been a failure. But if the point of the payroll tax holiday was not to reduce government interference in our lives but to keep it, grow it, and strengthen the decided movement of the last three years to turn our nation into a welfare-state plantation, it's a great idea.

That is really what is going on here and why President Barack Obama and his Democratic colleagues on Capitol Hill love the idea.

Unlike our income taxes that government takes for general revenue and unspecified spending, the payroll tax is earmarked and specified. It pays for Social Security.

A cut in income taxes, even if not accompanied with an equivalent cut in government spending, puts the pressure for such cuts in place and carries with it the prospect of reduction of government interference in our lives.

But there is no such possibility with the payroll tax. When the tax was reduced "temporarily" last year from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent, were working Americans asked to agree to an equivalent cut in their Social Security benefits that that payroll tax pays for?

Of course not.

What politician in his or her right mind would suggest to working Americans that they intend to cut Social Security benefits?

But cutting the payroll tax is a dream idea for anyone whose project is turning our nation into a welfare state.

This is because, unlike the income tax, which almost half Americans don't pay, practically every working man and woman pays the payroll tax.

And, what the payroll tax pays for, Social Security, is impossible to cut.

So, if the payroll tax is cut, you have to find another way to pay for those Social Security retirement benefits.

So how about rich people?

Democrats would like for super high-income earners, the top 1 percent, who already pay 40 percent of America's income taxes, to also start paying for everyone's Social Security benefits.

Why not also force high-income earners to put their addresses up on the internet and we can all send them our grocery bills, our car payments, and our kid's tuition bills? Let's get the rich to pay for all our bills, including our retirement.

Unfortunately, some Republicans are allowing themselves to be suckered into this political blackmail.

Cutting payroll taxes earmarked for a Social Security system that is already bankrupt is no way to run a country and no way for people that are allegedly free and responsible citizens to live.

And using a payroll tax holiday as a back door plan to turn Social Security into a middle class welfare program does not bode well for our nation's future.

If the point is to fix Social Security, let working Americans keep their payroll tax and use it to fund their own private retirement account -- an idea that 3 of 4 Americans under 50 favor.

If the point is to restore our economy, let's cut the trillion dollars in new spending we've larded into the government over the last three years and start focusing on rewarding rather than punishing individual freedom and success.

cologal~ Maybe this really is hateful after all...I'd have to conclude that the NAACP is hateful in preventing African Americans their constitution freedoms to life, liberty and the pursute of happiness.

NAACP plantation masters play race card again
NAACP fights efforts to address the core problems that perpetuate the cycle of poverty in black America.

"Rick Santorum must be racist because he thinks all people, regardless of ethnicity, should have the dignity of self-sufficiency.

At least that's how the NAACP sees it.

Talking about pushing back against those in government endlessly trying to expand welfare programs because they make money off them, Santorum said, "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money; I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money." " by Star Parker/Urban Cure

And the post before this one.


I have been reading your post closely lately and...........

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

Go get'em

Wish I could take credit for the content. I have been having trouble posting links lately, so copied and pasted Star Parker's articles from cure.org. I have been reading her works very closely lately, incredible stuff!!!

Katz...this explanation has nothing to do with its being a Welfare Scam...this has nothing to do with welfare.

I am over 50 and I have experience with taking a lump sum and putting into a retirement account. That was 23 years ago and if I had to retire on that I would be working tell I died.

We seem to be on opposite sides of this issue but thanks for responding.

All I know is as a computer person we used to discribe things in terms of Master and Slave...we had to stop that.

The payroll tax cut has nothing to do with welfare.