Master and Slave? Are you going to tell me that an African American woman who freed herself of drug addiction, welfare dependence, and being a frequent flier at the abortion clinic THEN put herself through college while singlehandedly raising her children, has NO RIGHT to use the terms Master and Slave?!?!? HA! She and her writings have gained my deepest and utmost RESPECT! Rant all you like, but you are missing out on a beautiful woman's story of SURVIVAL and VICTORY! AND totally missed her POWERFUL message of DIGNITY and FREEDOM!

Katz....

I don't use hate speech and I don't accept hate speech from anyone.

I have told you in a earlier post I respect you beliefs.... I would expect the same from you.

Just so I don't step on your toes in future posts, would you point out where KatzPajamas used "Hate Speech" in the post.

I have read it over several times and I don't see it???

Katz directed me to Cure with a link a few posts back...I looked at the site I saw the hate speech and referenced it in a post. She asked me if I read the articles which I did not because of the hate speech. I had asked how the payroll tax cut was a welfare scam so she responded with a long message ... you commented on the post. I made a comment about the what we call client/server now.

That prompted Katz long post which included this:

Master and Slave? Are you going to tell me that an African American woman who freed herself of drug addiction, welfare dependence, and being a frequent flier at the abortion clinic THEN put herself through college while singlehandedly raising her children, has NO RIGHT to use the terms Master and Slave?!?!?

We no longer use that phrase because it was deemed hate speech by the industry.

There you have it.

I think you might be a little sensitive on this. I don't think she was using the phrase as hate speech. I think it was the women in the article and she was pointing that out trying to get her point accross to you.

It is amazing how so many people are sitting on the "RED BUTTON" just ready for someone to hurt there sensibilities! Everything offends them as if it is some kind of right to not hear something that hurts their feelings.
I think you have called this one wrong. It appears that the "Race Card" always seems to be on the top of the deck.

The problem is that changing the words to say the same thing seems disingenuous, at best. Somehow by saying the same thing with different words makes it "sound" better, but it means the same thing!
Typical liberal fix to something.

How does any of this have anything to do with "Rejecting of Keystone Pipeline; Act of National Insanity"?

It does't, I am sorry. I will try to do better. You know how a conversation just sorta takes on it's own life and just grows.

My post with link to CURE was in response to this request...a conservative movement doing somethings for the poor of the country.

Cologal asked another question-
Katz... I asked for links about the conseratives helping the poor.

That is just another Repub hate site as far as I could see.

Attacks on the NAACP, Planned Parenthood...the payroll tax cut is a welfare scam. I work, I'm not on welfare, I paid a higher tax rate than Rommey. What makes the payroll tax cut a welfare scam. Do people on welfare pay payroll taxes? I don't think so.

Enlighten me...why is cutting the payroll taxes a welfare scam?
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I then responded by posting the actual articles, but apparently cologal either did not read the link she had asked for and chose to make a snap judgement by a few interesting titles OR she did read them and since she didn’t agree or understand, she chose to label them HATE…Sorry notlongnow, just more liberal manipulations to twist reality to a palce where they can point fingers at anyone but themselves...

I avoid hate speech because it is hateful. It makes no matter to me if the speaker is red, white , yellow or black. I won't listen to music that include any words that disrespect women with the B word.

If that is liberal I will accept that as a good thing.... but I have lived for 25 years with Buddhist meditation teacher....Right speech is part of the Eight Fold Noble Path.

It wasn't hate speech.

That depends on your perspective...to me it was so I avoided it!

I guess I have to agree with you...I mean, I'm not watching Obama tonight for the same reason. I avoid hate speech and BS like the plague.

I have been trying to get this out of the political context.....

So we both know, in the literal sense, there are no slaves under a Plantation Master in this country.

Your point was that an African American women had the right to say those things....if you proceed with that logic in a straight line then it is ok for an African American rapper records a song that calls women B**ch and W**re.

It is not political with me.

Apparently it IS OK because it is on the radio, tv, internet and sold in stores every day!

Contrare...I believe that there are slaves on the government plantation. Maybe you shouldn't critique the article that you are unwilling to read. That in itself is the height of hatred, when you judge something and label it without knowing it or trying to understand it.
As far as slaves and masters, that is a human rights issue.

Katz but this is just rude...you seem to be the one with hatred. I have shown you none.

Katz this is just rude...you seem to be the one with hatred. I have shown you none.

I didn't expect this of you....

You tried to make out that I was posting hate speeches...not true.
Posters on this forum ask for links and supporting evidence, and when it is provided the mud starts flying. Unfounded accusations about posting hate speeches is rude and something I would never/ nor have I ever done.

I still doubt that you ever read the articles. Too bad, you may have learned about Star Parker and her generous heart of gold for the unfortunates in our society. Your ability to judge her article only by the meaningful title, could also be considered hateful.

Whatever....

Katz... I in no way attacked you....I said the site was a hate site because it contained hate speech, in my opinion. At every turn I tried to explain why I felt that way.

I did go back and scanned the NCAAP article but it in no way changed my opinion. I have come to believe in Dukkha....When we want things to be other than they are we suffer. The only way to stop the suffering is to drop the wanting. In the remaining years of my life I don't want to hate, I don't need conflict.

What does that have to do with conservative people helping the unfortunate people in this country?

What does any of this have to do with "Rejecting of Keystone Pipeline; Act of National Insanity"?

The tangent has swung wide, but that what happens when you try to defend the indefensible. You must divert, and this thread is a good illustration.

Richie says, "The tangent has swung wide, but that what happens when you try to defend the indefensible. You must divert, and this thread is a good illustration."

Since he opened the door, I have to add that this is the same tactic Newt used in the South Carolina debate when he refused to answer the question about his ex-wife's statements - and turned indignant toward the questioner that this gossip was no way to start a debate about national issues.

Newt could not defend the indefensible and therefore had to divert.

You have to admit that Newt does have good political consultants who prepped him with the proper answers and appropriate act for him to take. Still, he is a slimeball, Washington insider, career politician, and actor.

Well, not precisely a "career" polititian as his career was interrupted by a little ethics matter and censure by his peers. Of course, if the people choose they may resume his career next year. I think he should retire to the villages and play golf.

Eweissenbach, It would be nice of Newt to retire and play golf - BUT NOT HERE!!

Newt says his ex-wife and you are lying. He got indignant, but he answered the question. Your example is "a fail" as the kids would say, but nice try. You're on your toes today.

Newt and Calista are both lying cheats. Amazing how the family values people are so easily fooled by these sleazes.

I'm still wondering what the difference is between Herman Cain's alleged 13 year affair and the famously poplular president Bill Clinton and His numerous affairs and one night stands and kneels...I guess it is all in one's perspective

I get you, I really do. If you don't like someone, every allegation that is thrown at them is fervently believed by you as fact, and you'll stick with your view come hell or high water.

If you like someone, it's completely opposite. You wouldn't believe something against Obama or Clinton if you saw them doing it with your own eyes. You would defend them and pluck out your own eyes for lying to you.

I really do get it, old buddy.

Quote I saw last night..

"So let me see if I have this straight. Newt is depending on the children from his first wife to tell the world that his second wife is lying about his third wife."

You (the collective "you") have no real idea of the Gingrich family dynamic; you have to admit that much.

Making assumptions on the doings of another family is presumptuous.

We all love gossip though, don't we. Much more fun to just assume things.

???

I make no assumptions. I just thought the line was funny.

There are time when Newt seems like a genius to me. And others when I look at him and the response is "WHAT is he SMOKING?".

It's hard to take someone preaching "family values" when you have as checkered a history as Newt does. I mean, he was screaming about Bill cheating on Hillary while doing the exact same thing.

Now, to your point, of course circumstances matter. Just like Newt, I'm on my third marriage. In my case, I married too young the first time (Lisa and I have a very friendly relationship these days though she's moved to Canada). The second time I was married for 19 years - my two daughters are from this marriage. Unfortunately my wife decided the grass was greener elsewhere and did everything she could to try and make me leave (you wouldn't believe the stories I could tell) - but I wouldn't. She finally left nearly 6 years ago. Now I'm married (for 1 1/2 years and counting) to a woman I can't imagine leaving.

So, yeah, circumstances matter.

I've always said that I thought Newt torpedoed himself when it comes to being President but that he still had a lot to offer as a consultant or advisor. In some areas, he certainly does have the lights on. But, President? Definitely not for me.

Well......I guess if it's Newt or Barry you're going to have to decide what to do. Vote for anyone else but Newt in that scenario and you've voted for Barry.

Unfortunately, there's more truth in that statement than I'd like.

To me, the decision is as follows...

Obama - definitely not my first choice. Could have done a LOT better with the economy but he seems to have stopped most of the bleeding. He's made more progress on most economic fronts than Reagan did with the mess he inherited from Carter. Remember that Reagan said it would take more than 4 years to recover from the mess - and he was right. Note that I said "stopped the bleeding" - this is a VERY anemic recovery and I can't help but to feel that the lack of string on TARP has something to do with it. Admittedly, I'm not sure what the President can do about one fundamental flaw in our system right now - the fact that companies are ONLY looking out for their shareholders - and then only for the next quarter with ver few exceptions (like Apple - sitting on $90B and refusing to do dividends or stock buybacks because that doesn't meet their long-term strategic goals).

Republicans - With the exception of Ron Paul, they all seem to want to return to the policies that got us into this mess un the first place. They want to de-regulate without any specifics - just demagoguery about jobs being strangled. So far, a vote for almost any of them seems like a vote for George W. Bush.

I'm normally an optimist but it's hard to keep that going under these circumstances.