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Guest 01-21-2012 11:30 PM

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Where in the US are HUGE reserves of drillable oil?
ALASKA! TEXAS COAST shallow water. Oklahoma, Colorado, California shallow water just off the coast (this will never happen) You know those people out there don't want to look at rigs from their beach house!, New Mexico and many others but who is going to search when you can't even get a permit unless you want to put up wind generators or mfg. solar panel (take the money, make a few panels go bankrupt).

I know why don't we give Brazil a billion or two, maybe three to help them drill so we can watch them sell it to our enemies.

No wait, I think someone has already done that!

Don't you hate it when all the good ideas are taken.

Guest 01-22-2012 12:57 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443753)
ALASKA! TEXAS COAST shallow water. Oklahoma, Colorado, California shallow water just off the coast (this will never happen) You know those people out there don't want to look at rigs from their beach house!, New Mexico and many others but who is going to search when you can't even get a permit unless you want to put up wind generators or mfg. solar panel (take the money, make a few panels go bankrupt).

I know why don't we give Brazil a billion or two, maybe three to help them drill so we can watch them sell it to our enemies.

No wait, I think someone has already done that!

Don't you hate it when all the good ideas are taken.

The question was asked as "Drillable oil" .... I have lived in Colorado for 45 years, since I was a teenager. The supposed oil in Colorado in NOT drillable nor it is oil. For some reason Republican canidates have been speading a rumor that the US has more oil resources than the Middle East. There has been several oil shale boom/bust cycles have come and gone in Colorado. Now there is a new process which requires FRACKING, I don't drink bottled water but some people do now after the Natural Gas people came in and used FRACKING to release the gas. Now in some counties they can light the water with a match. Not a fun thing.

You might want to read up on FRACKING and the deal VP Cheney made, in serect, with his buddies so they didn't have to disclose the FRACKING fluids contents which means when it gets into the ground water no one can prove it was a fracking fluid.

I live, in the summer, in El Paso county....look it up. Thats part of the new oil zone in Colorado. Check out the link...

http://www.mineralweb.com/2011/08/ne...leasing-booms/

I'm sure you want clean ground water and so do I.

Guest 01-22-2012 01:00 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443750)
I'll take it any way I can get it, especially the oil is on this continent. You won't be able to stop the people from claiming this energy forever. They (we) won't stand for it much longer.

I noticed that you didn't answer the question....maybe its because you know the answer.

Guest 01-22-2012 08:53 AM

OK, some places produce some don't. Sorry your county has not panned out YET! But I still don't hear you even sounding like we should try. You only ask where?
So is you answer to just pay other countries, buy from our enemies and throw good money after bad to companies that get the money only because they backed the president.
Is that your energy plan??

Why not drill in the other places? Why not natural gas,
WHY NOT A PIPE LINE. We only have thousands of them in the US now and for years past.
Have YOU heard of "big pipe line breaks" all over the place in the US, no! I have been to Alaska and walked several places where the pipe line is there and I don't see where this is going to hurt the environment. Hell, the animals love it. It gives them shelter and warmth.

If these things are so bad maybe we should just start the process of removing the thousands of pipe lines we have.

This is political and BS. If you or anybody else thinks it is about the environment they/you are not being honest about the situation or so blinded about keeping your king on the throne they can't see it.

This is political to the bone and makes the Pres. part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Guest 01-22-2012 10:18 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443810)
OK, some places produce some don't. Sorry your county has not panned out YET! But I still don't hear you even sounding like we should try. You only ask where?
So is you answer to just pay other countries, buy from our enemies and throw good money after bad to companies that get the money only because they backed the president.
Is that your energy plan??

Why not drill in the other places? Why not natural gas,
WHY NOT A PIPE LINE. We only have thousands of them in the US now and for years past.
Have YOU heard of "big pipe line breaks" all over the place in the US, no! I have been to Alaska and walked several places where the pipe line is there and I don't see where this is going to hurt the environment. Hell, the animals love it. It gives them shelter and warmth.

If these things are so bad maybe we should just start the process of removing the thousands of pipe lines we have.

This is political and BS. If you or anybody else thinks it is about the environment they/you are not being honest about the situation or so blinded about keeping your king on the throne they can't see it.

This is political to the bone and makes the Pres. part of the problem and not part of the solution.

I made NO comment on the pipeline...I merely asked a question about drillable oil in the US. If the Oil and Gas companies were threatening your home maybe you would change your tune.

And now for the links regarding oil pipeline leaks.....

http://jackhbarnes.com/2011/01/09/al...-indefinitely/
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/07/1...ls-during.html
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...8CD85F438785F9

Check out whats going on in Denver right now:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_19787661
http://www.examiner.com/green-scienc...-mismanagement
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/2...-platte-river/

We are very careful about water out in the West....mainly because we don't have enough.

Your question.....

OK, some places produce some don't. Sorry your county has not panned out YET! But I still don't hear you even sounding like we should try. You only ask where?

I am NOT sorry my county hasn't panned out...my water is still safe. But this unproven risky source of "oil", and I use that term loosely, is used as part of the statement you referenced in the original post. Cause you believe anything the Republican Talking Points tell you......

Guest 01-22-2012 10:55 AM

I liked the comparison in this mornings paper stating there are some 50,000 miles of pipeline current criss crossing the USA.

While all are operating safely and effectively....NONE...are as safe and environmentally regulated as the 1700 miles that has just been REJECTED.

The environmental issue and the need for more time to study are words for the dummies in the crowd.

btk

Guest 01-22-2012 10:59 AM

It's amazing that liberals who are so "compassionate" for the poor and down trodden don't care at all if struggling families pay 4 or 5 dollars a gallon for gas. Maybe Obama can come up with a gas stamps program for them. After all, food stamps seem to be doing well in the Obama economy.

Yes, given there are already 50 thousand miles of crude oil pipelines criscrossing the U.S, I think we have it pretty well figured out by now.

But lets not get more oil from Canada or drill for it ourselves, we need to keep sending billions of our tax dollars to our enemies for their oil.

Maybe by the time gas is 7 or 8 dollars a gallon, someone will have figured out how to build a solar powered car that goes more than 20 miles and costs less than 45 thousand dollars. I'm sure poor people will celebrate.

Guest 01-22-2012 11:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443744)
Where in the US are HUGE reserves of drillable oil?

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Posted by Guest (Post 443764)
I noticed that you didn't answer the question....maybe its because you know the answer.

I did indeed answer the question. I don't give a whit about the oil gathering process. I said I would take it any way I can get it. Any method, any process, any way at all. We have the technology to extract it?; let's go get it.

Guest 01-22-2012 11:09 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443867)
I liked the comparison in this mornings paper stating there are some 50,000 miles of pipeline current criss crossing the USA.

While all are operating safely and effectively....NONE...are as safe and environmentally regulated as the 1700 miles that has just been REJECTED.

The environmental issue and the need for more time to study are words for the dummies in the crowd.

btk

Yes; succinct and to the point with all the truth that is needed.

Good post.

Guest 01-22-2012 11:55 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443871)
It's amazing that liberals who are so "compassionate" for the poor and down trodden don't care at all if struggling families pay 4 or 5 dollars a gallon for gas. Maybe Obama can come up with a gas stamps program for them. After all, food stamps seem to be doing well in the Obama economy.

Yes, given there are already 50 thousand miles of crude oil pipelines criscrossing the U.S, I think we have it pretty well figured out by now.

But lets not get more oil from Canada or drill for it ourselves, we need to keep sending billions of our tax dollars to our enemies for their oil.

Maybe by the time gas is 7 or 8 dollars a gallon, someone will have figured out how to build a solar powered car that goes more than 20 miles and costs less than 45 thousand dollars. I'm sure poor people will celebrate.

Guess I am the liberal you all trying to bash.....

I have never smoked pot in my life.....that started this thread all liberal smoke weed. What a joke.

But this attack I don't get...

It's amazing that liberals who are so "compassionate" for the poor and down trodden don't care at all if struggling families pay 4 or 5 dollars a gallon for gas.


Taking Richie Lion's comment together with this one I quess I expected to care about much you all are paying while you all don't give a damn my about drinking water.

Amazing....

And I thought the Bush's told us the Saudi's were are friends....didn't one hold hands with the King. How did they become the enemy?

Bring on the Bush bashing comments......:boxing2:

Guest 01-22-2012 12:09 PM

It just saddens me that liberals what to put poor people out in the cold thats all.

Guest 01-22-2012 12:36 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443909)
It just saddens me that liberals what to put poor people out in the cold thats all.

It's not that far fetched. You want to know the the crackpot environmentalist leftists want for our society, all you've got to do is watch that show "Living with Ed", that was on for a while, where he tried to make his own power and rode bikes everywhere, etc., etc.

It's about devolution of our society.

Guest 01-22-2012 12:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443909)
It just saddens me that liberals what to put poor people out in the cold thats all.

So you think its the liberals that killed this pipeline? Now a dose of reality.

Nebraska is a RED STATE

Here is the truth:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77U3A620110831

The Republican Governor asked Sec Clinton to deny the permit because it put at risk a major WATER source. (WATER is king in the West)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AF1QK20111116

Not even the legislature wanted the pipeline along that route...why? WATER

Don't think are many liberals in that government body. Have you even been to Nebraska? I have.

Please do some research and look before you leap......:boxing2:

This time its NOT the pot smoking liberals but do you know how much pot grows in Nebraska? I was playing golf in Curtis, NE it was growing all over the course. To bad I don't smoke free grass!!!!

Guest 01-22-2012 12:54 PM

If my memory servers correctly it was Obama that said no to the pipeline.

There's no doubt liberals don't care about us poor folk. We can't afford skyrocketing gas, home heating oil and electricity prices. Not all of us are rich liberal fat cats that can afford 6 dollar a gallon gas while the rest of us suffer. Some of us have to drive 30 or 40 miles each way to work... if we can still find it.

Tell me, what's Obama's plan for energy independance? Half billion dollar loans to solar panel companies that go bankrupt?

Just another case of the left not caring about anyone but themselves, leaving the little man out in the cold as usual.

Guest 01-22-2012 02:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 443926)
If my memory servers correctly it was Obama that said no to the pipeline.

There's no doubt liberals don't care about us poor folk. We can't afford skyrocketing gas, home heating oil and electricity prices. Not all of us are rich liberal fat cats that can afford 6 dollar a gallon gas while the rest of us suffer. Some of us have to drive 30 or 40 miles each way to work... if we can still find it.

Tell me, what's Obama's plan for energy independance? Half billion dollar loans to solar panel companies that go bankrupt?

Just another case of the left not caring about anyone but themselves, leaving the little man out in the cold as usual.

You didn't read the links did you? The Nebraska Governor and Legislature asked the administration, actually sent a letter to Sec. Clinton, to have TransCanada reroute the pipeline away from the sensitive areas. TransCanada has NOT yet proposed another route. There is nothing to approve.

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/key...d-2116504.html

Obama's plan for energy independance is green energy, he has clearly stated that.....what was Bush's plan? Clinton's plan, Bush 1's plan?

The US government has NOT had any plan in my lifetime for energy independance.

I don't like the loan anymore than you do but I could most likely find something just as stupid in a previous administration.

I have downsized my car to 4 banger....didn't do much for the gas mileage but I tried. I can't afford $6.00 gas anymore than you can.


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