I retired in 1996 and almost 20 years before that I was part of a tort reform group
 

trying to get enough constituents to get off their duffs to get after their lawmakers to reform the tort laws.....so here we are 30 + years later working on tort reform....:1rotfl:

Forty years ago we were on a kick for energy independence....get away from foreign oil dependence (our amount import now VS then has doubled) and so now we are doing what about energy independence? :1rotfl:

Health care reform is back from the 80's and 90's and today we are going to do what....cover everybody...what ever that means and costs...:1rotfl:

I do believe there is a pattern emerging. All POTUS say the same thing (promise and talk up a good game) results = nothing....reaction of we the people also nothing.

If you think Obama's speech on health care was a bomb (using the telepromter) you should have heard....both content (ridiculous) and delivery (no telepromter today just notes where he lost his place several times).

We are currently being spoon fed a diet of words. When they are wrong (as in health care or N. Korea)....the politicians rely on we the people....TO DO NOTHING.....and we sure do not disappointbarf

btk

Totally understandable. Not many things are as stressful as being a defendant in a lawsuit, and worse when the jury trial comes back with a lunatic-level award. Even knowing what the long-term outcome is going to be isn't comforting.

ABut, whenever one must rely on a "jury of your peers," it's never a good day.

If you think health care is expensive now........
 

wait until its free.

Sometimes bumper stickers offer profound insight into real life.

Obama Care
 

maybe I missed some earlier posts on health care but I must say
that I cannot believe that in a retirement community like TV
nobody has mentioned that in order to get the saving from Medicare
that Obama is talking about Medicare Advantage Plans that so many
Villages now have will be alot more expensive or go away altogether
Say so long to no or $20 per month premiums.

And by the way how will you feel about that prospect of not
getting or waiting months for the joint replacements, mri's cat scans
etc that we now take for granted. remember we are old and these things
don't pay off in the long run because we are going to die soon anyway.

Be ready to pay much more and get much less:cus:

rockaway you are right on target with your question.
 

I have been chiding for weeks whether those over 65 getting benefits from the government today....think they are not involved. There is no way to open health care up to everybody and us to keep what we have. They aren't going to give everybody what we currently have....we would have to start using numbers bigger than trillions. Therefore a system that is viewed as fair and eqitable by all the wizards in Washington will have to be a watered down version of today's benefits. Of course there will be supplements available at a price to get what an individual wants or needs to get back to where they were.

I do not understand why this is not a concern. It has to be the folks who have what they do today are taking comfort in the belief it does not involve them. Isn't this the main reason the new legislation excludes government employee benefits. They want to keep what they have...can it be any more obvious?

Well it will and they are in for a surprise.

And once again the silent majority will get what it deserves.

btk

I often wonder what the "polls" would look like if people realized that the care they receive today will not be the same in the future if these "reforms" go into effect. Does the term "watered-down" come to mind? All I can say is that I hope my knees and hips hold up. I exercise and walk an hour each day. Preventive medicine is the only recourse that I feel I have some control.

As a side note here's a little article about the company I work for. I actually work on the Take Care Health side of the company.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/...operation.html

Excellent! That's using American ingenuity rather than simply throwing money at an issue and hoping something positive occurs. Even better, they showed that following established business and scientific models - analyze, design, develop, prototype, evaulate, remodel, evaluate, beta test, evaluate, implement small-scale, evaluate, implement medium-scale, evaluate, implement large-scale, continue evaluation and revise accordingly - really works.

Beats the daylights out of writing a bill nobody reads, do a quick vote before anybody gets smart, and a select few make a fortune from taxpayer pain.

As always there are solutions other than government. CVS and others are doing similar projects. There are many promising things on the horizon for health care but I fear too many just roll over and expect the government to fix it which of course they never do and in fact always make it worse.

It's a simple question really.

Social Security - bankrupt
Medicare - bankrupt
Medicaid - bankrupt
Government treasury -bankrupt
Economy - toilet
Job market - trashed.
Stimulus - total failure

Why then does anyone in their right mind believe government can take over and run health care?

Why oh why don't people wake up?

Troubles
 

First, all anyone has to do is to look at the UK and Canadian health care programs to get a quick picture of what America can expect with a Gov't program. Second, when is America going to wake up that the person leading these charges is Pelosi who is from the State with more than 11% unemployment, bankrupt and getting worse as we speak. It continues to vilolate the illegal immigration laws (e.g.San Fran) and has a crime rate that is very high. If CA is the standard we are going after "look out". As the SS system starts to go belly up rather than trying to save it the investments are going towards an energy system (cap and trade) which will save 1.4M gallons of oil while China, which is the largest poluter of the world does not change. In cap and trade key on the "trade" as more jobs will be going overseas. Isn't it about time that America woke up and smelled the junk politics going on..?

Troubles
 

Whats wrong with Canadian Health Care??
The have the choice of either Provincial Health Care or if they have Company Health Plans they can subscribe to whichever one they want. True there are wait times, but this is true with almost everything, but their Health Care Expenses are paid for by whichever plan they have and they have Medicare in each Province.

Observations ?
 

You may be right. I am only going by what I read?

Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market

The failure of Canada's experiment with socialist medicine is readily apparent: long waiting lists and wait times for specialized services, conveyor-belt treatment for routine services, chronic shortages of family doctors and hospital beds, gross inefficiencies, slow innovation, stifling and wasteful bureaucracies, warring "special-interest" groups, and the exodus of good doctors to greener, freer pastures.

It's still illegal in Canada for private healthcare providers to compete with the government monopoly. Only North Korea and Cuba—two impoverished, brutal, communist dictatorships—still retain such restrictions. And there have been increasing accounts of Canadians suffering severe pain and even dying while waiting months or years for treatments that are readily available in countries that allow private healthcare.

Funny, that sounds in many ways like the system I work in..right here the U.S.

Interesting. Do you work in the health care system?

Sure do Keedy