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Guest 09-07-2011 06:41 PM

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Since Village Golfer and RichieLion opened the door on dumb quotes, here is one, also:

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010

We could go on all night with gaffes from all sides. Why bother? Someone will bring up 57 states, someone will bring up being physically close to Russia, death panels, swine flu, and it just goes on to no end. Let's quit.

I am sure Village Golfer will want to get one last one in - like he always does.

It's the humor in Al's quotes. Sarah had a brain fart, OK...I get it. But Al's is a mangling of the language that is just priceless funny. In a funny kind of Yogi Berra way. You're getting very bitter lately, my friend. Where's that sense of humor?

Guest 09-07-2011 06:54 PM

One more Al Gore for Buggsy
 
Dairy Farm Expert in a Day
Milwaukee, WI - "I'm very familiar with the importance of dairy farming in Wisconsin. I've spent the night on a dairy farm here in Wisconsin. If I'm entrusted with the presidency, you'll have someone who is very familiar with what the Wisconsin dairy industry is all about."


I wonder if there is another joke in there about the Farmer's Daughter? LOL

Guest 09-07-2011 07:46 PM

"The future will be better tomorrow." -- Vice President Al Gore

Guest 09-07-2011 08:06 PM

During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Vice President AlGore.

Guest 09-10-2011 06:30 PM

proud dem
 
Villager 2...My, I have to agree with everything you said and if the Republicans came up with a middle of the road candidate they would win this election hands down..Unfortunately the tea party has hijacked it temporarily so guess what you get?..Abortion, Deeply personal and has no role in politics..separation of church and state..Who are we to tell a person how or what they can do to their own bodies..Talk about loss of freedoms...Hi guys...I see the same three on this forum too..They certainly are opinionated and outspoken,aren't they?

Guest 09-10-2011 08:08 PM

it seems the repubs get elected promising jobs(where are they?) and just always go back to their tried and true nonsense abortion,guns,welfare,and add the tea party to it so add small gov't,attacks on social security,medicare and medicaid and its no wonder they can't get Americans working.

Guest 09-10-2011 08:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 392819)
it seems the repubs get elected promising jobs(where are they?) and just always go back to their tried and true nonsense abortion,guns,welfare,and add the tea party to it so add small gov't,attacks on social security,medicare and medicaid and its no wonder they can't get Americans working.


Liberals over reliance on mockery rather than logical argument?

Liberals are almost always more aggressive then conservatives here, as liberals insist on the last word, insist on continuing debate long after it has become tiresome, and repeat complaints after they have been rejected. That could represent an attempt to waste an opponent's time or a refusal to recognize that there are legitimate reasons to reject viewpoints.

Guest 09-10-2011 08:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 392751)
Villager 2...My, I have to agree with everything you said and if the Republicans came up with a middle of the road candidate they would win this election hands down..Unfortunately the tea party has hijacked it temporarily so guess what you get?..Abortion, Deeply personal and has no role in politics..separation of church and state..Who are we to tell a person how or what they can do to their own bodies..Talk about loss of freedoms...Hi guys...I see the same three on this forum too..They certainly are opinionated and outspoken,aren't they?

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Guest 09-10-2011 08:45 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 392751)
Villager 2...My, I have to agree with everything you said and if the Republicans came up with a middle of the road candidate they would win this election hands down..Unfortunately the tea party has hijacked it temporarily so guess what you get?..Abortion, Deeply personal and has no role in politics..separation of church and state..Who are we to tell a person how or what they can do to their own bodies..Talk about loss of freedoms...Hi guys...I see the same three on this forum too..They certainly are opinionated and outspoken,aren't they?

Please, I beg of you. It is not a weakness to seek help. We Villagers pride ourselves in giving aid where it is needed. Help is just a phone call away. I am a war veteran, I know about PTSD.

In the meantime, just relax, and take a few deep breaths and say, "Obama must go" "Obama must go" "Obama must go"

Feel better now?:a040::a040:

Guest 09-10-2011 09:18 PM

proud dem
 
Village Golfer, I see you continue with personal attacks, not once adding a rebuttal to any questions brought forward...Stick to the tea party talking points..."Obama Must GO, No matter how much damage we have to do to the country in the process"...How's that 401 k doiin since Walsh and his corrupt buddies started that debt ceiling fiasco?...The man won't even pay the money to feed his own kids and he stands for what's "right" in America..Give me a break..

Guest 09-10-2011 09:33 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 392873)
Village Golfer, I see you continue with personal attacks, not once adding a rebuttal to any questions brought forward...Stick to the tea party talking points..."Obama Must GO, No matter how much damage we have to do to the country in the process"...How's that 401 k doiin since Walsh and his corrupt buddies started that debt ceiling fiasco?...The man won't even pay the money to feed his own kids and he stands for what's "right" in America..Give me a break..

It's not too late. Obama has done his damage. We can set us on the right path if we vote him out in 2012.

Guest 09-10-2011 09:48 PM

proud dem
 
Not with the opposition the republicans are putting out there now..How will that straighten out the tea party farrrrr right wingers? the only thing that will help them is to be put out to pasture...All incumbents out!!!

Guest 09-10-2011 09:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 392897)
Not with the opposition the republicans are putting out there now..How will that straighten out the tea party farrrrr right wingers? the only thing that will help them is to be put out to pasture...All incumbents out!!!

Why do you call my friends and neighbors farrrr right wingers? Are you one of those left-wing moonbats that I have been hearing about?

PLease tell us more about the Tea Partiers.

Guest 09-10-2011 10:13 PM

proud dem
 
Village Golfer,I call you that because it's soooo true...Refusal to hear any opinion other than Obama out at any cost.....My friends and I are not liberals,nor are all of them Democrats..We are conservative but not willing to go back to the stone age...I believe in welfare reform, fair taxation, no corporate loopholes, strict enforcement of immigration laws, mandatory prison for any elected official convicted of any criminal violation of trust, the death penalty (love texas for that),a woman's right to choose, cut back on foreign aid and help feed our poor, leave Afganistan, cut military waste (everyone knows it exists), no tax break for any corporation that refuses to hire and develop american workers,freedom of religion, no gun control. I think it's just a little right of center and the biggest difference is that I'm open to opposing opinions...That little tea party stunt just pulled darn near threw us into a recession again,and we are nowhere near out of the previous one..It was uncalled for and just plain hateful with no real purpose...

There you go..Thanks for your interest

Guest 09-11-2011 12:35 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 392913)
Village Golfer,I call you that because it's soooo true...Refusal to hear any opinion other than Obama out at any cost.....My friends and I are not liberals,nor are all of them Democrats..We are conservative but not willing to go back to the stone age...I believe in welfare reform, fair taxation, no corporate loopholes, strict enforcement of immigration laws, mandatory prison for any elected official convicted of any criminal violation of trust, the death penalty (love texas for that),a woman's right to choose, cut back on foreign aid and help feed our poor, leave Afganistan, cut military waste (everyone knows it exists), no tax break for any corporation that refuses to hire and develop american workers,freedom of religion, no gun control. I think it's just a little right of center and the biggest difference is that I'm open to opposing opinions...That little tea party stunt just pulled darn near threw us into a recession again,and we are nowhere near out of the previous one..It was uncalled for and just plain hateful with no real purpose...

There you go..Thanks for your interest

did somebody hijacked your name?

Guest 09-11-2011 03:50 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390032)
I think the government is too big butWhat the GOP needs to do is stop calling Government workers parasites on the tax dollars.

I would never support abortion butWhat the GOP needs to do is stop calling Pro-choice people baby killers.

I believe in our higher power butWhat the GOP needs to do is stop stop asking GOD to fix the problems and come up with solutions that will benefit enough Americans to get elected.

What the GOP needs to do to get elected is find a candidate that speaks for Americans and not just a hand full of special interest groups. When we support the likes of Perry, Palin, Bachmann, we are wasting our vote and fragmenting the party into oblivion. But at least the Liberals love it, so some good comes out of it.

As you see above, this thread started out as a very simple ONE MANS OPINION ON 2012. :shrug:

Guest 09-13-2011 11:58 AM

proud dem
 
VG,
Wow,I'm looking through your posts and it's hard to find one that you didn't call someone a name...."Moonbats"...Whatever that is?

Guest 09-13-2011 12:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 392913)
Village Golfer,I call you that because it's soooo true...Refusal to hear any opinion other than Obama out at any cost.....My friends and I are not liberals,nor are all of them Democrats..We are conservative but not willing to go back to the stone age...I believe in welfare reform, fair taxation, no corporate loopholes, strict enforcement of immigration laws, mandatory prison for any elected official convicted of any criminal violation of trust, the death penalty (love texas for that),a woman's right to choose, cut back on foreign aid and help feed our poor, leave Afganistan, cut military waste (everyone knows it exists), no tax break for any corporation that refuses to hire and develop american workers,freedom of religion, no gun control. I think it's just a little right of center and the biggest difference is that I'm open to opposing opinions...That little tea party stunt just pulled darn near threw us into a recession again,and we are nowhere near out of the previous one..It was uncalled for and just plain hateful with no real purpose...

There you go..Thanks for your interest

"Conservatives?" for Obama? No offense, but that sounds like you must be able to have meetings in a phone booth.

What hateful Tea Party stunt threw us into a recession? I gotta hear that one.

Guest 09-13-2011 01:50 PM

Hrpo1 does sound like he has good values and beliefs. I go along with all of them except for the "no gun control" but that is the only one I disagree with.

Richie, the Tea Party stunt that was referred to means the no compromise by the Tea Party on the debt ceiling lifting. That should have never been in doubt. The Tea Party and their children type attitudes were not good examples for other countries in the world to see us in. The Tea Party has to learn that actions in the US have a global effect.

I enjoyed the good conversation last night with everyone - as well as the Yeunglings.

Guest 09-13-2011 04:31 PM

proud dem
 
Buggy one,Thanks...
I guess it's the old military training and the fact my children are working in law enforcement that the gun control is something that I don't really believe in..I do believe there ought to be a better tracking/screening system for these,especiall assault weapons,though for the life of me, they really play no roll in a peaceful situation....Ritchie,pls understand that everything we do or say as a nation is very closely monitored by both friends and foes alike..they are searching for weakness, in any area and will strike.It's no secret tha Bin Laden had a goal of wreaking havoc on our economic situation..

The "stunt" your tea party cronies pulled was to hold the debt ceiling hostage to get cuts in spending..Two entirely separate issues as the debt ceiling was for money already owed and previously approved by congress.That tantrum has caused the market to decline almost 20 percent since it was played out because there was a real fear that we would not pay our bills..If you look at a class clown like Walsh, a spokesperson for the tea party caucus in congress, and listen to this fool, you will see how the anger can be created.This guy had to be sued for back child support and now he is a spokesperson for "what's right"..Pulease!.All of this was needless and extremely painful to us and the nation along with our economy and reputation..Look at congressional approval ratings...the worst in history...Not that Obasma's is any better..I'm a believer in "all incumbents out".very radical approach, but a clear message..I just wish the Republicans had a more middle of the road candidate and I won't vote for most of these guys.Just my 2cents.

Guest 09-13-2011 04:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 393924)
Hrpo1 does sound like he has good values and beliefs. I go along with all of them except for the "no gun control" but that is the only one I disagree with.

Richie, the Tea Party stunt that was referred to means the no compromise by the Tea Party on the debt ceiling lifting. That should have never been in doubt. The Tea Party and their children type attitudes were not good examples for other countries in the world to see us in. The Tea Party has to learn that actions in the US have a global effect.

I enjoyed the good conversation last night with everyone - as well as the Yeunglings.

Do you mean the Republican's? Because the last time I looked there were two sides of the aisle and it was Democrats on one side and Republicans on the other.

You guys seem to have no idea what the Tea Party movement is. You seem to think they are a political party. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but no, they aren't.

Even with your misconceptions, the objection to raising the debt ceiling while cutting spending is only a disaster in your minds. I reject your analysis and so do many. Stunt?......ha!!

Guest 09-13-2011 09:24 PM

proud dem
 
Ritchie,you are right...Only without the tea party caucus the republicans would lose the majority and they had Boehner over a barrel..There was no comprimise..Remember when Mc Cain called the tea party "hobbits"...They were angry because the tea party held up the whole process needlessly..

Guest 09-13-2011 10:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 394126)
Ritchie,you are right...Only without the tea party caucus the republicans would lose the majority and they had Boehner over a barrel..There was no comprimise..Remember when Mc Cain called the tea party "hobbits"...They were angry because the tea party held up the whole process needlessly..

John McCain is old line "hand in each other's pockets" Republican. The fact he doesn't like the Tea Party only adds to it's appeal to most Republicans.

The Tea Party movement is dragging the Republican Party back to respectability. The process needed holding up and in the end the Republicans caved and some may pay in the coming primaries. The Democrats strategically delayed until the 11th hour and then got everyone's panties in a twist screaming "oh no, we gonna default, we gonna default", when it was they who delayed the budget by not negotiating for months.

People won't forget and true patriots like Marco Rubio won't let them.

Guest 09-14-2011 08:44 AM

proud dem
 
Rubio is an absolute joke...He has the foreign vote that's for sure...

Guest 09-14-2011 09:48 AM

The tea party movement is turning out to be a threat to the business as usual in Washington.

And who said the tea party movement was only relegated to the republican party? I guess the faithful and the media only play it that way.

Perhaps it is unfortunate the movement toward not electing incumbents and changing business as usual in Washington was labeled tea party and then polarized.

There are American voters across the board who are fed up with the way Washington works or does not work. There is no need to constantly be trying to force every single outcome into either an R or a D.

Once upon a time such a general displeasure with an activity or organization or individual, etc was called a groundswell....no partisan assignation required.

The sooner we get back to discussing what is good for America and give up on the destructive need to paint everything R or D... the better. Just think of what we all do every single day that does not involve an R or D need.....just about everything we do....now why is that? Because there are some things that politicians and the media know....and that is ultimately you cannot make Americans do what they don't want to do or don't like.

And the majority of us do not like what is going on in Washington and the majority of us do not like the way Obama and congress is doing it. No R or D required to present what America feels. (I do recognize what a major discomfort that presents for those who only know partisan positioning only...what a shame for them).

btk

Guest 09-14-2011 09:55 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 394270)
The tea party movement is turning out to be a threat to the business as usual in Washington.

And who said the tea party movement was only relegated to the republican party? I guess the faithful and the media only play it that way.

Perhaps it is unfortunate the movement toward not electing incumbents and changing business as usual in Washington was labeled tea party and then polarized.

There are American voters across the board who are fed up with the way Washington works or does not work. There is no need to constantly be trying to force every single outcome into either an R or a D.

Once upon a time such a general displeasure with an activity or organization or individual, etc was called a groundswell....no partisan assignation required.

The sooner we get back to discussing what is good for America and give up on the destructive need to paint everything R or D... the better. Just think of what we all do every single day that does not involve an R or D need.....just about everything we do....now why is that? Because there are some things that politicians and the media know....and that is ultimately you cannot make Americans do what they don't want to do or don't like.

And the majority of us do not like what is going on in Washington and the majority of us do not like the way Obama and congress is doing it. No R or D required to present what America feels. (I do recognize what a major discomfort that presents for those who only know partisan positioning only...what a shame for them).

btk

Your are right. I remember our first Tea Party rally and there were no partisan signs and nobody asked each other what party they were affiliated with. I haven't thought of that rally in a long time. It was a real good feeling just talking to people who had the same concerns as mine. I remember talking to a single mother of two who had to hire a babysitter to come to the rally. It was unbelievable. Thousands of people riding by us and tooting their horns. We did it at rush hour when we knew traffic would be heavy.

Guest 09-14-2011 10:03 AM

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Rubio is an absolute joke...He has the foreign vote that's for sure...

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Guest 09-14-2011 10:14 AM

proud dem
 
Ritchie,I'm glad to hear, and sure the GOP folks here are very happy that they have the TEA PARTY to help make them respectful again. At least according to You..

Guest 09-14-2011 10:24 AM

proud dem
 
BTK..I agree with about 80 percent of what you said..I don't believe the "all incumbents out" is really a tea party idea though..I'd like to get rid of them(tea party) too..The fact is, in order to accomplish anything we must not become a disorganized system, composed of splinter groups, each with an idealogy encased in stone..This will require comprimise by all parties...ON all sides..that's where my problem with the tea party comes in,their unwillingness to work with the "majority",their unwillingness to listen to any other side,their unwillingness to understand we are a modern society and with that it will require certain humanitarian gestures that will, yes, cost us money, and their willingness to completely disrupt the system in order to acccomplish their stringent agenda. They behave like spoiled children..

Guest 09-14-2011 10:26 AM

Last year I stopped by the Tri-County Tea Party information booth at the Spanish Springs Chili Cook-Off Contest so I could get some actual information on what the Tea Party is really about. They gave me some pamphlets to read.

I was talking to one of their volunteers giving out the information and found out she was from the same general area in the Washington DC area as me. She was going on and on about how many black people there are up there and so happy that there are so few in The Villages. She was very angry that a black man was now in the White House.

Even though this was just one person in the Tea Party and I am sure does not represent the entire Tea Party, I was so turned off by this idiot lady and that the Tri-County Tea Party would let such a bigot represent them at an information booth - I will have no further contact with the Tea Party. First impressions - in person - are everything.

Guest 09-14-2011 10:30 AM

proud dem
 
Buggy one...At least SHE was honest in admitting the tea party is inundated with bigotry...Can't have "those kind of folks" in office can we?..Good to hear another first hand experience in dealing with their reps...Mine were just ordinary tea party members and weren't in any official capacity,but certainly left me with those exact feelings.

Guest 09-14-2011 11:16 AM

This is going to come across bad, but it was a white man that died to free the slaves (Lincoln) and it is a black man trying to destroy this country (Obama) I give every man a fair shake but I'm just pointing out a fact .

Guest 09-14-2011 11:18 AM

I have met and talked to hundreds of Tea Party people and never heard any of them talk about black people in any disrespectful way. People can try to tarnish the Tea Party if they want, but you will see more changes in the 2012 election, including a big one in the White House. Most people see through the propaganda against the Tea Party and take it for what it is, nonsense.

Guest 09-14-2011 11:56 AM

proud dem
 
I am actually happy to see someone that has had these positive experiences,especially when these are FIRST HAND,and not from someone that has never even attended a meeting ...No matter what the party affiliation..We are all entitled to our opinions, and as long as they are thought driven and not ideology driven then they must be given merit..That is what I wish everyone would do, that is to ask the question "why" every time they see or hear something they are in disagreement with..Then we will understand where folks are coming from and intelligently debate the issues...

Guest 09-14-2011 03:38 PM

DDoug - ?????????????

Guest 09-14-2011 03:50 PM

From now on I'm going to have to just ignore all the manure brokers that feel that the only way to win an argument is to slander and libel the Tea Party wholesale as rabid racists. It's idiotic, and you purveyors of this travesty are desperate and cowardly.

From now on you know what you can do with those opinions. If you need to be shown, call me.

Guest 09-14-2011 08:32 PM

Really..

"Trying to destroy this country"?

At what point did "believes in policies I don't agree with" turn into "trying to destroy this country"?

Exactly what policy was the tipping point? What was the news item or the announcement where you said "this is more than just something I disagree with - this is something just as bad as flying planes into towers or bombing a naval base in Hawaii".

Do you understand that when you use rhetoric like that, people who are "on the fence" - the very people who's opinion you might be able to influence are going to be turned off by that absolutism?

Guest 09-15-2011 01:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 394406)
From now on I'm going to have to just ignore all the manure brokers that feel that the only way to win an argument is to slander and libel the Tea Party wholesale as rabid racists. It's idiotic, and you purveyors of this travesty are desperate and cowardly.

From now on you know what you can do with those opinions. If you need to be shown, call me.

Now Now, you know that is not going to happen. Without your sparing and sarcasm this site would turn into a high school debate session. We would be better off if that happened, but I for one look forward to what you will come up with next. Richie, keep on keeping on. With you, sensitive people like me need the occasional Zanax, but without you, folks like the duffer would be bored to tears also, so don't disappoint your fans.

Guest 09-15-2011 07:23 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 394529)
Now Now, you know that is not going to happen. Without your sparing and sarcasm this site would turn into a high school debate session. We would be better off if that happened, but I for one look forward to what you will come up with next. Richie, keep on keeping on. With you, sensitive people like me need the occasional Zanax, but without you, folks like the duffer would be bored to tears also, so don't disappoint your fans.

Nobody likes a good political debate more than I, but if the responses are either lies and/or observational idiocy; or maybe just the result of some sort of mental or emotional deficiency, it ruins the continuity of the discussion and gets extremely frustrating.

Guest 09-15-2011 07:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 394478)
Really..

"Trying to destroy this country"?

At what point did "believes in policies I don't agree with" turn into "trying to destroy this country"?

Exactly what policy was the tipping point? What was the news item or the announcement where you said "this is more than just something I disagree with - this is something just as bad as flying planes into towers or bombing a naval base in Hawaii".

Do you understand that when you use rhetoric like that, people who are "on the fence" - the very people who's opinion you might be able to influence are going to be turned off by that absolutism?

A pilot who flies a plane into a building is just plain stupid.

A president whose policies are counter-productive and darn right diastrous but who repeatedly continues down the same diastrous path is other stupid or an obsessive idealogue who doesn't seem to care what effect his policies have on a country he is entrusted to protect. so how should we characterize his actions? You ask what policy was the tipping point and I reply that just about everything this guy has done or wants to do has serious consequences that cover the economy, foreign policy, ObamaCare,etc

What you refer to as abolutism is the reality of our current situation because of this guys inabilities and or obsessions


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