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Guest 09-14-2011 09:55 AM
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The tea party movement is turning out to be a threat to the business as usual in Washington.

And who said the tea party movement was only relegated to the republican party? I guess the faithful and the media only play it that way.

Perhaps it is unfortunate the movement toward not electing incumbents and changing business as usual in Washington was labeled tea party and then polarized.

There are American voters across the board who are fed up with the way Washington works or does not work. There is no need to constantly be trying to force every single outcome into either an R or a D.

Once upon a time such a general displeasure with an activity or organization or individual, etc was called a groundswell....no partisan assignation required.

The sooner we get back to discussing what is good for America and give up on the destructive need to paint everything R or D... the better. Just think of what we all do every single day that does not involve an R or D need.....just about everything we do....now why is that? Because there are some things that politicians and the media know....and that is ultimately you cannot make Americans do what they don't want to do or don't like.

And the majority of us do not like what is going on in Washington and the majority of us do not like the way Obama and congress is doing it. No R or D required to present what America feels. (I do recognize what a major discomfort that presents for those who only know partisan positioning only...what a shame for them).

btk
Your are right. I remember our first Tea Party rally and there were no partisan signs and nobody asked each other what party they were affiliated with. I haven't thought of that rally in a long time. It was a real good feeling just talking to people who had the same concerns as mine. I remember talking to a single mother of two who had to hire a babysitter to come to the rally. It was unbelievable. Thousands of people riding by us and tooting their horns. We did it at rush hour when we knew traffic would be heavy.

Guest 09-14-2011 10:03 AM
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Rubio is an absolute joke...He has the foreign vote that's for sure...
:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Guest 09-14-2011 10:14 AM
proud dem
 
Ritchie,I'm glad to hear, and sure the GOP folks here are very happy that they have the TEA PARTY to help make them respectful again. At least according to You..

Guest 09-14-2011 10:24 AM
proud dem
 
BTK..I agree with about 80 percent of what you said..I don't believe the "all incumbents out" is really a tea party idea though..I'd like to get rid of them(tea party) too..The fact is, in order to accomplish anything we must not become a disorganized system, composed of splinter groups, each with an idealogy encased in stone..This will require comprimise by all parties...ON all sides..that's where my problem with the tea party comes in,their unwillingness to work with the "majority",their unwillingness to listen to any other side,their unwillingness to understand we are a modern society and with that it will require certain humanitarian gestures that will, yes, cost us money, and their willingness to completely disrupt the system in order to acccomplish their stringent agenda. They behave like spoiled children..

Guest 09-14-2011 10:26 AM
Last year I stopped by the Tri-County Tea Party information booth at the Spanish Springs Chili Cook-Off Contest so I could get some actual information on what the Tea Party is really about. They gave me some pamphlets to read.

I was talking to one of their volunteers giving out the information and found out she was from the same general area in the Washington DC area as me. She was going on and on about how many black people there are up there and so happy that there are so few in The Villages. She was very angry that a black man was now in the White House.

Even though this was just one person in the Tea Party and I am sure does not represent the entire Tea Party, I was so turned off by this idiot lady and that the Tri-County Tea Party would let such a bigot represent them at an information booth - I will have no further contact with the Tea Party. First impressions - in person - are everything.

Guest 09-14-2011 10:30 AM
proud dem
 
Buggy one...At least SHE was honest in admitting the tea party is inundated with bigotry...Can't have "those kind of folks" in office can we?..Good to hear another first hand experience in dealing with their reps...Mine were just ordinary tea party members and weren't in any official capacity,but certainly left me with those exact feelings.

Guest 09-14-2011 11:16 AM
This is going to come across bad, but it was a white man that died to free the slaves (Lincoln) and it is a black man trying to destroy this country (Obama) I give every man a fair shake but I'm just pointing out a fact .

Guest 09-14-2011 11:18 AM
I have met and talked to hundreds of Tea Party people and never heard any of them talk about black people in any disrespectful way. People can try to tarnish the Tea Party if they want, but you will see more changes in the 2012 election, including a big one in the White House. Most people see through the propaganda against the Tea Party and take it for what it is, nonsense.

Guest 09-14-2011 11:56 AM
proud dem
 
I am actually happy to see someone that has had these positive experiences,especially when these are FIRST HAND,and not from someone that has never even attended a meeting ...No matter what the party affiliation..We are all entitled to our opinions, and as long as they are thought driven and not ideology driven then they must be given merit..That is what I wish everyone would do, that is to ask the question "why" every time they see or hear something they are in disagreement with..Then we will understand where folks are coming from and intelligently debate the issues...

Guest 09-14-2011 03:38 PM
DDoug - ?????????????

Guest 09-14-2011 03:50 PM
From now on I'm going to have to just ignore all the manure brokers that feel that the only way to win an argument is to slander and libel the Tea Party wholesale as rabid racists. It's idiotic, and you purveyors of this travesty are desperate and cowardly.

From now on you know what you can do with those opinions. If you need to be shown, call me.

Guest 09-14-2011 08:32 PM
Really..

"Trying to destroy this country"?

At what point did "believes in policies I don't agree with" turn into "trying to destroy this country"?

Exactly what policy was the tipping point? What was the news item or the announcement where you said "this is more than just something I disagree with - this is something just as bad as flying planes into towers or bombing a naval base in Hawaii".

Do you understand that when you use rhetoric like that, people who are "on the fence" - the very people who's opinion you might be able to influence are going to be turned off by that absolutism?

Guest 09-15-2011 01:52 AM
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From now on I'm going to have to just ignore all the manure brokers that feel that the only way to win an argument is to slander and libel the Tea Party wholesale as rabid racists. It's idiotic, and you purveyors of this travesty are desperate and cowardly.

From now on you know what you can do with those opinions. If you need to be shown, call me.
Now Now, you know that is not going to happen. Without your sparing and sarcasm this site would turn into a high school debate session. We would be better off if that happened, but I for one look forward to what you will come up with next. Richie, keep on keeping on. With you, sensitive people like me need the occasional Zanax, but without you, folks like the duffer would be bored to tears also, so don't disappoint your fans.

Guest 09-15-2011 07:23 AM
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Now Now, you know that is not going to happen. Without your sparing and sarcasm this site would turn into a high school debate session. We would be better off if that happened, but I for one look forward to what you will come up with next. Richie, keep on keeping on. With you, sensitive people like me need the occasional Zanax, but without you, folks like the duffer would be bored to tears also, so don't disappoint your fans.
Nobody likes a good political debate more than I, but if the responses are either lies and/or observational idiocy; or maybe just the result of some sort of mental or emotional deficiency, it ruins the continuity of the discussion and gets extremely frustrating.

Guest 09-15-2011 07:38 AM
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Really..

"Trying to destroy this country"?

At what point did "believes in policies I don't agree with" turn into "trying to destroy this country"?

Exactly what policy was the tipping point? What was the news item or the announcement where you said "this is more than just something I disagree with - this is something just as bad as flying planes into towers or bombing a naval base in Hawaii".

Do you understand that when you use rhetoric like that, people who are "on the fence" - the very people who's opinion you might be able to influence are going to be turned off by that absolutism?
A pilot who flies a plane into a building is just plain stupid.

A president whose policies are counter-productive and darn right diastrous but who repeatedly continues down the same diastrous path is other stupid or an obsessive idealogue who doesn't seem to care what effect his policies have on a country he is entrusted to protect. so how should we characterize his actions? You ask what policy was the tipping point and I reply that just about everything this guy has done or wants to do has serious consequences that cover the economy, foreign policy, ObamaCare,etc

What you refer to as abolutism is the reality of our current situation because of this guys inabilities and or obsessions


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