Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2166239)

Keep changing the name to assure they keep the money flowing.

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2166676)

Will you ever consider or respond to the points I and others have made about the errors of your posts instead of ignoring those points and acting as if we never made them?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2166709)

What is funny is you discount the article without reading it.
You continue to accuse the USGS of no longer reporting when it is evident from your link that the USGS never provided yearly reporting at all. This has been brought to your attention twice before yet you disregard that and continue to misrepresent the facts.

Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 2166241)

Best estimates have anthropogenic warming at about 1C. While we have been in an interglacial period for about 12,000 years and will continue to warm and experience the resultant increases in sea levels, there is concern that anthropogenic increases will also continue. The concern is essentially for the next 100 years. A further anthropogenic increase of 2-3 C would have geopolitical consequences. You can not find anyone who actually understands the science to dispute that there has been anthropogenic warming. What is debated is how much has occurred and how much more additional anthropogenic warming will occur. The current models tend to run warm in the equatorial mid-troposphere when retrospective run are examined. In my opinion, as someone who actually developed atmospheric models for the Government, the models are not really ready as a tool for developing public policy. Unfortunately, it is the 8.5 scenario that the media and politicians have focused on.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2166728)

So where's the latest USGS glacier report for GNP (Glacier National Park)? This report should on the front page of the NYT every year to highlight how the glaciers are dying horrible deaths. You can actually hear the glaciers scream "I'm melting". Why don't they report this? Maybe it's because all 7 glaciers on Mt Shasta are growing.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2166440)

It is only a long ways off if desired. Will you and I see it’s implementation? Most likely not, but perhaps this discovery will lead to a successful solution. Global warming resolution isn’t required this minute, but it’s development needs to begin.

I’m somewhat surprised by the lack of enthusiasm by climate theorists. I would think they would be all over the discovery and examine it’s possibilities rather than panning the announcement.

Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2166506)

Which one killed off the dinosaurs? Change or warming?

Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 2166520)

I believe the climate is changing I do not think the cause is manmade, Especially when the scientist claim it is the fault of the US.

Originally Posted by Ptmckiou (Post 2166566)

But, the ice cores scientists have been studying show significant measurable changes since the Industrial Age. Prior to the Industrial Age the earth had an expectable pattern, but since the Industrial Age the ice cores reflect measurable acceleration not prior. Humans are speeding up the changes,

Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 2166595)

When looking at any set of data, it is important to take notice of inflection points. There are several studies now that indicate the inflection point occurred at the start of the industrial age. While we can argue whether this is an artifact due to other causes, we should consider the impact of different paths. For example, if you believe that climate change is not real, you can assign it a value of 1 (out of 10) However, that doesn't change the potential impact which would be very large. (10) . In a failure mode analysis, you would apply the resources to make sure that the negative impact doesn't happen. All the glib statements about Fred Flintstone's SUV will not help if the impact of climate change really occurs. Conversely, what happens if we take steps to minimize climate change? We will have spent resources on solar and wind power which will make us less dependent on fossil fuels. In addition, our cities will have fewer IC engines contributing to air pollution. To me, taking steps to reduce CO2 emissions is a much less risky path for the coming generations.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2166607)

The sun controls our climate -- except for short term affects of volcanoes. Also, we are in a CO2 famine, so the more greenhouse emissions we create the better.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2166611)

First, politics is controlling agent behind the "man-made" climate change narrative, because the data says otherwise. Second, if this type of politics is being allowed, then we must ask -- is the Talk of The Villages platform being controlled by the global warming establishment.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2166612)

Probably because he is expressing an opinion, and there is no mention of politics, unless somebody is inferring something that is not there

PS: I don't concur with that opinion, but I'll defend his right to express it

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166742)

Since the cause is fossil fuel engines emitting CO2 and the US and China are #1 and #2 in that pollution hierarchy, then it figures that the US has a large share of the blame. In point of fact, the 3rd world countries DO blame the US, China, and Europe and they demand reparations. I would say that they have a case in a theoretical way.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2166633)

We know glaciers are growing because we keep hearing about glacier calving. Advancing glaciers calve (like cows) ... retreating glaciers melt (like ice cream).

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2166640)

As usual too many over-generalizations. Fact check: No, the glaciers are not growing in Glacier National Park >> Yale Climate Connections

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2166731)

I came here to find out if man made climate change is a thing and I found out we can't even agree on "is there more ice now than 100 years ago" so good luck on convincing anybody of anything. It certainly looks like some part of the government thought there would be no glaciers left in glacier national park by the year 2020....which, obviously, they were wrong.

Nice discussion though (for the most part)

Joe

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166762)

Just the opposite. Calving is the result of a glacier MELTING. And that is WHY the oceans are melting and Miami Fl. is at risk of eventually disappearing. And the US navy has studied how to protect its naval bases from ocean rise. Please, Please don't tell me that the US navy is wrong and deniers in Villageland know more than the US Navy. Please, please don't .......my brain will melt.

Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2166707)

No one (that you are claiming or are calling one) is denying climate change. It always has and always will occur. The "Denier" name is made up by and used by fear mongers to slander those that do not believe the government-supported 'studies' that claim humans are affecting the climate in a dangerous manner. This whole eco-fear program is a power and control grab by goverment.

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2166657)

I sent GE a PM saying I'm done posting the truth about Climate Change. Well, since he and another misinformed individual seem to be hijacking this thread, I will repost what I already have posted and will continue to do this when I see them doing it again:

I see there are some posters here who continually trumpet the false narrative that Climate Change is a hoax like their buddy Donald Trump and other climate-change deniers. My and others have pointed them to those who are expert and organizations which specialize in the science of climate change and yet they continually look for exceptions that suggest they are right and those who have studied the environment and the science about how it functions are wrong.

They say those who claim Climate Change is happening have an agenda. Well, I'd like to know what their motive is?

If anyone has a motive to deny it, it's those who are causing it: the fossil fuel industry. Why? Because it's going to affect their bottomline and in essence end their obscene profits. Tell me, what motive does a scientist have in maintaining the narrative of Climate Change. Do they stand to make more money from it? Are they getting paid by corporate entities and foundations supported by the fossil fuel industry which does pay scientists to lie about climate change?

No, they have no motive. They aren't getting paid. They are simply telling the truth.

But no matter what we tell these deniers, they insist on ignoring it. Why? Because they refuse to accept the world is changing. But that is life; it is constantly changing and evolving. Just look at human society today. I'm not saying it's better or worse, but can you imagine same sex marriages 50 years ago?

Climate Change is happening, worldwide -- by the way, the anomaly sometimes mentioned about Greenland in the Middle Ages was region specific and not global.

Here's a few of the anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change denying rebuttals:

1. It's caused by changes in heat from the sun -- debunked, the sun is actually giving off less heat; in turn, they then say an Ice Age is approaching

2.There have been periods when the earth's atmosphere was hotter -- yes, but they occurred after some catastrophic event like the earth colliding with an asteroid, like the one that killed off the dinosaurs

3. CO2 does not create heat -- yes, but it seals it in the atmosphere, which is its Green House Effect (GHE)

4. The Antarctic icecap is growing -- yes, but that's a superficial effect of the warming that is increasing a thin layer of snow but the actual truth is that it's melting the eons old icebergs are decreasing.

5. Weather is variable and there always have been extreme weather events -- yes, but the extreme weather events have begun to show a pattern of increasing intensity because of the increased moisture caused by the warming, especially in the oceans. For instance, while the number of hurricanes has not increased, their intensity and the damage they cause has increased because of the increased moisture caused by the warming.

6. While the earth does undergo changes, never in geological history (except for catastrophic events like an asteroid hitting the earth) has the warming increased so fast as it has since the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and the pace of this warming has become even faster in recent years. Why do you think the following has been occurring:

A. Record breaking high temperatures in Siberia
B. The melting of the icebergs at the poles and the melting of the permafrost in Greenland and Siberia
C. Global outbreaks of wild forest fires
D. Global drying up of massive lakes
E. Rising sea levels, especially in the southern hemisphere
F. Displacement of wildlife and disruption of their living patterns, causing many extinctions
G. Because of these changes to the ecosystem, some believe it's causing greater susceptibility to pandemics.

Go to NASA, the NOAA websites. See what the scientists are saying. Watch the weather channel. Watch some videos online showing how the rising sea levels are causing poor people in the southern hemisphere to migrate, that show the melting icebergs and permafrost, that show the now navigable Arctic Ocean and decreasing habitat of the polar bears. There are plenty of videos showing this.

But how will the Climate Deniers respond to this? Just complain about rising gas prices, sit in their cars in parking lots with the motor running, not try to conserve or recycle. Hey, we're all going to die some day so why should we worry about the future of our planet or those who come after us. The problem is they don't care and they are offended that someone is trying to make them change. Whatever. I and others have tried to get them to listen, but they won't. That's human nature.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166762)

Just the opposite. Calving is the result of a glacier MELTING. And that is WHY the oceans are melting and Miami Fl. is at risk of eventually disappearing. And the US navy has studied how to protect its naval bases from ocean rise. Please, Please don't tell me that the US navy is wrong and deniers in Villageland know more than the US Navy. Please, please don't .......my brain will melt.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2166658)

So why no global warming on Mars with all the CO2, where the CO2 concentration is more than 2,300 times greater than on Earth? Where's the runaway greenhouse affect? Why isn't Al Gore on this hot topic? OMG ... no wonder there's no sign of life on Mars.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166730)

That's interesting about the next 100 years. I believe that we are already seeing geo-consequences. In the US, we have up to 1,000 per day Climate Refugees crossing our southern border. And masses of Climate Refugees are moving northward from recently uninhabitable regions of Africa due to heat and crop failures. It seems like Mr.Climate is "COOKING UP"something similar to what has been often predicted in Apocolypse-type movies. Good thing that we are old, but pity the grandchildren.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2166785)

The climate of this planet is changing. Climates on all planets change. That's the nature of nature.

The human species, at the advent of the Industrial Age, has created conditions on this planet that have caused the naturally occurring climate change to change faster, more severely, in shorter a period of time, had the Industrial Age not occurred.

In order to appreciate these facts, one must be capable of critical thinking, and an interest in actually using their minds to think critically.

Deniers are either not capable of critical thinking, or not interested in trying.

They're entitled to be myopic. And the rest of us are entitled to know that they are myopic. It's all good.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2166671)

Again, what will climate change theorists clamor about if the newly announce fusion energy discovery is a home run?

Want to know what raises my eyebrows? Huge tracks of beautiful, farmable land gobbled up by rows and rows of wind turbines and solar panels. Who cares about climate change if we’re unable to produce enough food?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2166785)

The climate of this planet is changing. Climates on all planets change. That's the nature of nature.

The human species, at the advent of the Industrial Age, has created conditions on this planet that have caused the naturally occurring climate change to change faster, more severely, in shorter a period of time, had the Industrial Age not occurred.

In order to appreciate these facts, one must be capable of critical thinking, and an interest in actually using their minds to think critically.

Deniers are either not capable of critical thinking, or not interested in trying.

They're entitled to be myopic. And the rest of us are entitled to know that they are myopic. It's all good.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166789)

Well as I discussed earlier the Mississippi River in the US and the Rhine river in Europe are at historic low levels because of droughts. That is Global Warming affecting both growth of crops and the ability to ship them to markets. Basically, both farmers AND consumers care about Climate Change unless they have their heads in the sand.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166789)

Well as I discussed earlier the Mississippi River in the US and the Rhine river in Europe are at historic low levels because of droughts. That is Global Warming affecting both growth of crops and the ability to ship them to markets. Basically, both farmers AND consumers care about Climate Change unless they have their heads in the sand.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2166726)

Additionally, Arctic sea-ice is greater than its 30-year low, Greenland snow mass is at record levels, Australia had a record cold spring, Antarctica had a record cold low, and the Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing (in addition to many other glaciers) -- all because of global warming -- and the ongoing "end-of-snow" as promised by so many man-made global warming advocates.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166805)

Just looked up Greenland's ice mass. It has been DECLINING in recent years due to melting and iceberg calving.

Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 2166434)

I would not get too excited. There is often a big span between doing the basic science and engineering large scale production.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2166783)

Now they're "Climate Refugees"? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Just another example of "Let's change the name because the previous name wan't working!"

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166805)

Just looked up Greenland's ice mass. It has been DECLINING in recent years due to melting and iceberg calving.

Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2166813)

40-50 years (if ever) for the fusion process to be real (implement) for homes, etc.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2166754)

I couldn't give a rat's furry arse what some third world crap country blames us for.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166820)

I would just take a LITTLE bit into consideration that WE are all LUCKY to have been born into the US. The US has great amounts of natural resources, probably the most navigable rivers in the world, a temperate climate, and oceans protesting it from wars to the east and west for many years. Also GREAT historic profit from FREE labor. I for one have some empathy for many 3rd world nations. And many are further weighed down by autocratic, despotic rulers. We are quite lucky!