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rustyp 08-09-2023 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2242345)
I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243272)
First of all, you really should learn the difference between a "lead in" and a postscript. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Secondly, I posted it to emphasize that a one year comparison MEANS NOTHING, to EITHER side of the argument.

Geez, my bad, I thought the post was pretty clear

What is a postscript in a letter?

A postscript is a brief message appended to the end of a letter (following the signature) or other text. A postscript is usually introduced by the letters P.S.

No PS. Centered mid post. Oh and look an addendum at the end. :a20::a20::a20::a20::a20:

golfing eagles 08-09-2023 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243244)
Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243248)
Proof positive????? :1rotfl: Joking, right????

5 days this year compared to 5 days last year is "proof positive":1rotfl:

Maybe you should submit that premise to the department of climatology at Harvard university as your doctoral thesis :1rotfl:

(Some days I wonder why I even bother to educate some people)

PS: If you actually read a few pages back you'll find that the days 7/27-8/3 are 2.6 degrees cooler this year than last, as I had previously posted. But that also proves NOTHING

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243267)
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Yet you posted it as the lead into this thread to illustrate what - the climate is not warming ?

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243272)
First of all, you really should learn the difference between a "lead in" and a postscript. :1rotfl:

Secondly, I posted it to emphasize that a one year comparison MEANS NOTHING, to EITHER side of the argument.

Geez, my bad, I thought the post was pretty clear

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243267)
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What is a postscript in a letter?

A postscript is a brief message appended to the end of a letter (following the signature) or other text. A postscript is usually introduced by the letters P.S.

No PS. Centered mid post. Oh and look an addendum at the end. :a20:

THIS is the thread. You referenced , by quoting, my response that included a POSTSCRIPT, clearly highlighted. Then you must have some sort of cognitive break by responding to my OP. I understand your confusion.

So to answer the question you intended, rather than the nonsense you actually posted, I made the OP not to dispute that we are currently in a warming cycle, but to question whether human activity has anything to do with it, while pointing out the incredibly obvious push of the narrative every day.

rustyp 08-09-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243277)
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THIS is the thread. You referenced , by quoting, my response that included a POSTSCRIPT, clearly highlighted. Then you must have some sort of cognitive break by responding to my OP. I understand your confusion.

So to answer the question you intended, rather than the nonsense you actually posted, I made the OP not to dispute that we are currently in a warming cycle, but to question whether human activity has anything to do with it, while pointing out the incredibly obvious push of the narrative every day.

Speaking of cognitive breakdowns I had no question. I simply posted a statement of fact. Last year Aug 9 -13 was lower in temp than this year's forecast for the same days. chilout I understand one of the conditions of delusion is cabin fever. Ah summer in mid Florida.

golfing eagles 08-09-2023 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243267)
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Yet you posted it as the lead into this thread to illustrate what - the climate is not warming ?

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243277)
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Speaking of cognitive breakdowns I had no question. I simply posted a statement of fact. Last year Aug 9 -13 was lower in temp than this year's forecast for the same days. chilout I understand one of the conditions of delusion is cabin fever. Ah summer in mid Florida.

Speaking of delusion and cognitive dissonance, it certainly looks like a question to me, including the correct punctuation with a question mark.

From an old TV commercial: A mind is a terrible thing to waste" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

fdpaq0580 08-09-2023 03:02 PM

Such fun!

rustyp 08-09-2023 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243348)
Speaking of delusion and cognitive dissonance, it certainly looks like a question to me, including the correct punctuation with a question mark.

From an old TV commercial: A mind is a terrible thing to waste" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Yes it is - you win

Bwanajim 08-09-2023 08:51 PM

The end is near! L O L
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2242345)
I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

I Remember in HS Al Gore said there would be a coming Ice Age. Remember?
The hottest temperature in the US was recorded in 1913 in death Valley. I’m sure that was because of the internal combustion engine.🙄🙄😂
This whole climate agenda is about control. We could stop every bit of greenhouse gas, and it would accomplish nothing compared to what China and India is doing.
What scares me is so many people fall for this crap.

Bwanajim 08-09-2023 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2242447)
This is a great forum. I am in awe just reading these posts. Everyone here is either a genius scientist or a genius lawyer. By the way, stay away from windmills, they cause cancer.

Living is easy with eyes closed

No, everyone here is just using common sense🤦*♂️

jaj523 08-09-2023 09:08 PM

A lot of the rest of the world is doing nothing.
 
China is building new coal mines at record speeds (one a week I've read) and has been excused from the climate accords. Much of Africa and South America are following suit. Their combined land mass makes up a lot more mass than the United States. Some of the nutty things this country is doing in pursuit of saving the planet are meaningless. Without the entire world working together, all the money we are throwing at climate change is a waste.

Bwanajim 08-09-2023 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2243222)
My apologies for the use of the term "denier ". I didn't realize how it upset you. What term do you think more appropriate for one who denies the fact of global warming. I've got a few suggestions, but "denier" is by far the least objectionable, imho.

First off, Mr. Flintstone is not real, nor does he represent prehistoric humans in any real way. He is a cartoon version of Ralph Cramden of The Honeymooners.
Second, the natural cycle was disrupted, no real surprise, beginning with the massive increase in population, the start of the industrial revolution, the use of fossil fuel, and the massive destruction of ecosystems world wide.
Want to cry "Follow the money"? Then follow the BIG money and it will lead you right to big oil.

The hottest temperature on history in the US was in death Valley in 1914. Look it up. I think that was before the internal combustion engine.🙄😂

Bwanajim 08-09-2023 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243244)
Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

You’re joking, right? You’re not really comparing last year‘s temperatures to this year and say we have global warming because of it? 🤷🏼*♂️🤦*♂️🤦*♂️🤦*♂️ look up the temperature in death Valley in 1914 and get back with me. SMH

mtdjed 08-09-2023 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243244)
Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

Your statement is wrong since the actual data is already on record and is certainly less than 8.6 degrees. But, how can you possibly call this proof positive. That is like saying that today's temp at 95 and tomorrows at 96 is proof positive climate is warming. I guess that the following day at 93 would then be proof positive that the climate is cooling.

sounding 08-09-2023 10:44 PM

Ditto. There is no climate change crisis -- just a climate education crisis.

Dusty_Star 08-10-2023 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2243460)
Ditto. There is no climate change crisis -- just a climate education crisis.

I worry it is worse than a climate education crisis. There is a strong narrative being pushed by powerful factions to spread climate alarmism, using mostly doctored 'facts' & emotional arguments. While I agree that if people were more aware of the climate scam, the narrative would lose its power, at this point education seems to be rolling off most believer's minds. I suppose the best we can do is follow the original poster's example & try to convince those with an open mind.

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2243479)
I worry it is worse than a climate education crisis. There is a strong narrative being pushed by powerful factions to spread climate alarmism, using mostly doctored 'facts' & emotional arguments. While I agree that if people were more aware of the climate scam, the narrative would lose its power, at this point education seems to be rolling off most believer's minds. I suppose the best we can do is follow the original poster's example & try to convince those with an open mind.

I'm trying, but it is an uphill fight. The powers that are pushing the false narrative are well funded and have like-minded allies on campuses and in the media. The thought police have been unleashed. The real expert climatologists have been beaten into submission by the threat of professional suicide. So now they are attempting to marginalize anyone who doesn't sign onto their agenda. The real scary part is how many in the general public have discarded common sense and critical analysis and just play follow (the internet) leader like good little lemmings. Educators have been warning us that the science and math IQ of the American public has been steadily declining. The ability to scam so many with climate change alarmism may well be the proof that they are right.

Dusty_Star 08-10-2023 06:14 AM

Exactly. 💯

fdpaq0580 08-10-2023 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2243453)
The hottest temperature on history in the US was in death Valley in 1914. Look it up. I think that was before the internal combustion engine.🙄😂

The IC engine was invented in the 1860's. And you can look that up.
By the way, oil is not the only fossil fuel, and oil was being used in homes and industry well before cars. Fossil fuels were almost exclusively the fuels of choice that powered the industrial revolution.

JMintzer 08-10-2023 10:45 AM

I'm surprised no one as mentioned the effects of this underwater volcano eruption...

Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2243612)
The IC engine was invented in the 1860's. And you can look that up.
By the way, oil is not the only fossil fuel, and oil was being used in homes and industry well before cars. Fossil fuels were almost exclusively the fuels of choice that powered the industrial revolution.

And……..?

sounding 08-10-2023 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2243628)
I'm surprised no one as mentioned the effects of this underwater volcano eruption...

Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere

Tonga will be discussed in the next Weather Club meeting - Aug 17, 1:30 PM, at Laurel Manor.

justjim 08-10-2023 12:37 PM

As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2243655)
As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

Once again, that 95% number has been debunked over and over ad nauseum.

Now, to get a handle on what the majority of these experts are saying, go back to a climate thread about 3 weeks ago. A TOTV member has a son who is a climatologist at a major university. He made the mistake of suggesting that global warming might not be due to human activity. From that point on he was professionally ruined--he couldn't get any grants, he was denied tenure and was unable to have any of his work published. This story has been repeated all over the world as powers that be stifle any opinion contrary to "chicken little, the man-made climate crisis is imminent and going to kill our grandchildren (unless we pony up $131 TRILLION to "combat" it).

So, while not 95%, it is a majority. But like most of, when a gun is held to our head, we will say what the person holding the gun wants us to say.

jimjamuser 08-10-2023 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243242)
Yes! Absolutely look at that. But you have to look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years, not the last 20 or 50 or 100. Projections based on 20 years of data are WORTHLESS. (unless you are pushing a false narrative that will enrich a few)

The last 10 years are the important ones for man-made increasing global warming, which is the opinion of over 99% of climate scientists. The increasing world population and increasing use of CO2-releasing ICE vehicles have created a heat shield in the upper atmosphere that reflects heat back to the earth. It is especially bad in large cities around the world. Also, more forests like in Brazil are being plowed under for cattle to feed a fast-increasing global population.
This July was determined to be the world's hottest in recorded history. Living coral reefs are down to 10% of what they were 15 years ago (and decreasing). The world's glaciers are melting as proven by the RECORDED WORLDWIDE increase in ocean levels. Scientists know what is happening, but I guess the fossil fuel industry has spent enough money to somehow convince the AVERAGE US citizen that way back Al Gore was wrong.
The only problem, this summer and the next 8 to come are PROVING Al Gore to be correct.

jimjamuser 08-10-2023 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243244)
Same dates last year
Aug 9 - 90 degrees
Aug 10 - 95 degrees
Aug 11 - 93 degrees
Aug 12 - 93 degrees
Aug 13 - 93 degrees

Proof positive climate is warming:
Same 5 days this year Vs last year are projected to be +8.6 degrees higher.
I could not find the same 5 days data from 200 years ago.

It is pretty obvious that Global Warming exists and is here to stay and increase for around 7 years. The only hope is General Motors expects 30% of its new car sales in 2027 to be fully electric. Another hopeful sign is the increased popularity of E-Bikes.
In the future, we will know when the Earth will start healing and temperatures will return to normal - several years after you stop hearing ICE lawnmowers and ICE golf carts cruising past your home. I wonder - can we live long enough.

jimjamuser 08-10-2023 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243269)
OK, so which is it? Our increased warming began 150 years ago with the industrial revolution, or 2,000 years ago????? You're contradicting yourself.
But don't worry, your nieces and their children won't have to deal with it, not unless they live to be 25,000 years old.
The 4 1/2 million year date is the beginning or our current ice age. There have been numerous ice ages prior to this. And during this time, there are 70-120,000 year cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws driven by the power of the sun, Earth's orbit and changes in Earth's axis, among other things. Currently we are 20,000 years into a warming cycle. None of it has anything to do with fossil fuels. This is why the 4 1/2 million years mark is relevant--it explains where our climate came from and why we are here today.
Are we accelerating the warming??? Maybe, but there isn't enough data nor any conclusive proof. Are the alarmists correct? Maybe, only time will tell. But that time frame is measured in millennia, not the lifetime of your grand-nieces.

150 years ago with the Industrial Revolution, there was not enough population on earth and not enough ICE vehicles to create an upper atmosphere reflecting layer of CO2. Whole forests were NOT being cut down for cattle to feed an overpopulated earth.
Today we have all those problems caused by excess heat on Earth. The excess heat is even causing psychological problems and increased crime and murders in the heat domes of big cities. The biggest problem is that the PROBLEM is and HAS been ignored for TOO long and now in the HEAT of this summer, it is biting us BAD !

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2243666)
The last 10 years are the important ones for man-made increasing global warming, which is the opinion of over 99% of climate scientists. The increasing world population and increasing use of CO2-releasing ICE vehicles have created a heat shield in the upper atmosphere that reflects heat back to the earth. It is especially bad in large cities around the world. Also, more forests like in Brazil are being plowed under for cattle to feed a fast-increasing global population.
This July was determined to be the world's hottest in recorded history. Living coral reefs are down to 10% of what they were 15 years ago (and decreasing). The world's glaciers are melting as proven by the RECORDED WORLDWIDE increase in ocean levels. Scientists know what is happening, but I guess the fossil fuel industry has spent enough money to somehow convince the AVERAGE US citizen that way back Al Gore was wrong.
The only problem, this summer and the next 8 to come are PROVING Al Gore to be correct.

Actually, proving that person "correct" is a much bigger problem than you imagine. Since he claimed the polar ice caps would all be gone by the year 2010, and it is now 2023 and they are substantially unchanged, that ship has sailed.

As far as the rest of the nonsense in that post goes, just about every statement was wrong. I particularly like how the previous thoroughly debunked "95% of climatologists" has now grown to "over 99%" (well, at least in the vivid imagination of some)

Some glaciers are melting, some are growing, and CO2 is actually at a relative historically low level in the atmosphere. But here's the good news----if it wasn't for erroneous content, you post would have no content at all :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2243671)
It is pretty obvious that Global Warming exists and is here to stay and increase for around 7 years. The only hope is General Motors expects 30% of its new car sales in 2027 to be fully electric. Another hopeful sign is the increased popularity of E-Bikes.
In the future, we will know when the Earth will start healing and temperatures will return to normal - several years after you stop hearing ICE lawnmowers and ICE golf carts cruising past your home. I wonder - can we live long enough.

More nonsense

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2243676)
150 years ago with the Industrial Revolution, there was not enough population on earth and not enough ICE vehicles to create an upper atmosphere reflecting layer of CO2. Whole forests were NOT being cut down for cattle to feed an overpopulated earth.
Today we have all those problems caused by excess heat on Earth. The excess heat is even causing psychological problems and increased crime and murders in the heat domes of big cities. The biggest problem is that the PROBLEM is and HAS been ignored for TOO long and now in the HEAT of this summer, it is biting us BAD !

Now that post is TOOOOOOOO Funny:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

It was pretty hot in the 1930's, remember the dust bowl, maybe even hotter than today, but the crime rate was much lower except for a few bank robbers. How about placing the blame for crime squarely where it belongs----bad/no parenting, no instilling a moral compass in children, and no respect for authority. Climate change????What a laugh.

bcsnave 08-10-2023 01:58 PM

Temps 1895 to Current
 
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I just plotted temps from 1895 - 2022....contrary to what everyone wants you to believe...we are not boiling

Plotted July temps 1895 to 2022
Plotted Avg Annual Temp 1895 - 2022

looking at the standard deviation it is not significant

Temperature - Florida Climate Center

fdpaq0580 08-10-2023 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2243460)
Ditto. There is no climate change crisis -- just a climate education crisis.

Actually, there is both.

fdpaq0580 08-10-2023 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243629)
And……..?

Just thought you would like to know. Your welcome.

fdpaq0580 08-10-2023 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243242)
Yes! Absolutely look at that. But you have to look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years, not the last 20 or 50 or 100. Projections based on 20 years of data are WORTHLESS. (unless you are pushing a false narrative that will enrich a few)

Just discovered a small lump (tumor?) in my colon. Possible indication that something is wrong. So, do I jump on this and deal with it? Or do I follow your advice from above about another potentially life threatening situation and just " look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years?" Maybe if we just look the other way it will disappear.
Projections are just one of many tools. Gathering and studying information, real scientifically gathered information, studied by experts in the field, upgrading the projections as new information comes in. That is why the great majority of scientists agree that mankind has played a significant roll in exacerbating climate change.
Sorry. I truly wish it wasn't so, but on this you and others who claim the current climate change is "business as usual", are wrong.

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2243701)
Just discovered a small lump (tumor?) in my colon. Possible indication that something is wrong. So, do I jump on this and deal with it? Or do I follow your advice from above about another potentially life threatening situation and just " look at it for 2 or 3 or 4000 years?" Maybe if we just look the other way it will disappear.
Projections are just one of many tools. Gathering and studying information, real scientifically gathered information, studied by experts in the field, upgrading the projections as new information comes in. That is why the great majority of scientists agree that mankind has played a significant roll in exacerbating climate change.
Sorry. I truly wish it wasn't so, but on this you and others who claim the current climate change is "business as usual", are wrong.

Absolutely ridiculous analogy. Human life spans are 80+ years at best, might be as short as 6 months with a colonic neoplasm. It only takes a few days to gather the data needed
Our climate runs in 70-120,000 year cycles. Only data over thousands of years can be predictive of the future

Classic apples and oranges. So sorry that the climate change alarmists are WRONG

sounding 08-10-2023 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2243655)
As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

That's a "I'm not smart enough to look at data" reply - where you forfeit your future to others - including scamsters. Scientists are way overrated - plus anyone with a desire to look for, and analyze data, can be a scientist. For example, Galileo was an inventor. So ... here is some data ... can you see out-of-control global warming?

fdpaq0580 08-10-2023 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2243655)
As a “lay person” when it comes to weather and climate it’s best for me to leave it to the “experts” in that field. I only know for sure that it’s more complicated than I can discern. When 95% of scientists say one thing and 5% another, not having studied the subject, I go with the 95%. But to each his own.

You got the right idea. There are always those few who will find someone to come to the medicine show and believe the spiel and buy the snake oil.

Bill14564 08-10-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2243705)
That's a "I'm not smart enough to look at data" reply - where you forfeit your future to others - including scamsters. Scientists are way overrated - plus anyone with a desire to look for, and analyze data, can be a scientist. For example, Galileo was an inventor. So ... here is some data ... can you see out-of-control global warming?

Ugh! Again with the cherry-picked nonsense?!

To see this data in context, try this post #67 on the January version of this thread.

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2243706)
You got the right idea. There are always those few who will find someone to come to the medicine show and believe the spiel and buy the snake oil.

Correct. They are called climate change believers 😂😂😂

fdpaq0580 08-10-2023 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243702)
Absolutely ridiculous analogy. Human life spans are 80+ years at best, might be as short as 6 months with a colonic neoplasm. It only takes a few days to gather the data needed
Our climate runs in 70-120,000 year cycles. Only data over thousands of years can be predictive of the future

Classic apples and oranges. So sorry that the climate change alarmists are WRONG

Sorry you dismissed it so quickly. The point is to start now rather than wait and "see" what happens next, when the team of experts has already figured out what happens next. And it ain't good, in either case.

Oh, and sorry, I truly am (I have oil wells and they aren't pumping). I know the truth is inconvenient, but mankind is making global warming worse. But, y'all stay the course.

golfing eagles 08-10-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2243714)
Sorry you dismissed it so quickly. The point is to start now rather than wait and "see" what happens next, when the team of experts has already figured out what happens next. And it ain't good, in either case.

Oh, and sorry, I truly am (I have oil wells and they aren't pumping). I know the truth is inconvenient, but mankind is making global warming worse. But, y'all stay the course.

Wow. Is that regular or extra strength Kool aid in your sippy cup???

fdpaq0580 08-10-2023 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2243708)
Correct. They are called climate change believers 😂😂😂

Oh, you are far to clever for me. But, you are still wrong.


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