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ThirdOfFive 09-05-2024 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AZ SLIM (Post 2367243)
As the OP I would like to conclude by pointing out that if they are so wrong about a few weeks of Hurricane season, why would anyone listen to them about what will happen decades from now. I am not rushing out to buy an EV, even though they may eventually force us to.

Why?

Because the correlation between knowledge and idealism is inverse.

Taltarzac725 09-05-2024 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2367321)
Geo-engineering and weather manipulation around the globe is causing anomolies that are unpredictable worldwide. Floods in Dubai from cloud seeding. Groing grass when nature says grass doesn't grow. Creating climate change has consequences the powers that be can't necessarily predict. Meteorologists are creating new language like "corn sweating" "heat domes" and "cyclones" (saaay whaaaat????) in the western parts of the US which in reality is natural traspiration being corrupted by stratospheric layers blocking nature. If only one country played God with Stratosphere Aerosol Injections, cloud bleaching, seeding and other weather modification techniques to "dim the sun" they could actually tell if it worked. With the whole world experimenting with weather they are creating climate change and it is wreaking havoc on natural weather change including pretty much the 9 months of drought FL has experienced until the last week or so. The Villages never used to feel like AZ until FL lookes the other way regarding weather control. TN has banned it. Good for them!

Nice post. Not the same old Faux News garbage.

TimTinNewell 09-05-2024 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by firefighter4u (Post 2367067)
If meteorologists aren't scaring you, they are not doing their job! lol

My favorite optic EVER was the t.v. meteorologist who was standing out in the approaching hurricane. He could barely stand, it was SO windy and scary! Then, in the background, two dudes go walking by each holding a cup of coffee as they strolled along chatting! HaHaHa!

Taltarzac725 09-05-2024 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TimTinNewell (Post 2367331)
My favorite optic EVER was the t.v. meteorologist who was standing out in the approaching hurricane. He could barely stand, it was SO windy and scary! Then, in the background, two dudes go walking by each holding a cup of coffee as they strolled along chatting! HaHaHa!


We have all kinds of weather events here in Florida that can and do kill people. Thanks to all the weather people who look out for us.

Not much thanks to the flat earth society members who deny science because Fox tells them to do so that big oil can make more bucks.

TomSpasm 09-05-2024 06:59 AM

The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

sounding 09-05-2024 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2367317)
I just watched the weather and they haven’t decreased the number of tropical storms or hurricanes since they came out with their dire predictions. So now we have 1/2 the time to get in 90% of the storms in. Now they are predicting that the hurricane season will go past November this year, and I wouldn’t be surprised that in the future they will make the hurricane season year round.
Most of us aren’t that gullible, but some are and want to push this doomsday agenda to its fullest.
I’m assuming the Weather Channel is getting paid by these doomsday promoters because the last couple of years, the Weather Channel has been saying this year is the worst ever, storms are getting worse/stronger, and they are pushing the agenda to create a new “Cat 6” rating for hurricanes. I stopped watching these clowns.
Last year, I thought it was funny that the weather channel told florida evacuees don’t use their EVs when leaving because there won’t be enough charging stations on the exit route when you run out of power and I like this 1, if caught in high waters, your EV can catch fire. That had to hurt when they said this.

Hurricane season is on life-support. Instead we now have something called Whac-A-Mole ... I mean Whac-A-Hurricane. Find out why Sep 6, 4 PM, at Lake Miona.

NoMo50 09-05-2024 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2367191)
Hardly.

Global warming is a rather settled matter. That is what scientists do. Gather facts using a hypothesis and then reach a conclusion based on their understanding of those facts.

I think the above post needs one more word: That is what scientists should do. There are legions of examples where current "scientists" employ this maxim in reverse order. State your conclusion, then go out and cherry pick the "facts" that will appear to support that conclusion. Three simple words should be at the forefront of anyone's mind who wants to do a little fact checking: Follow the Money.

ThirdOfFive 09-05-2024 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2367338)
We have all kinds of weather events here in Florida that can and do kill people. Thanks to all the weather people who look out for us.

Not much thanks to the flat earth society members who deny science because Fox tells them to do so that big oil can make more bucks.

I have some prime oceanfront property on the Gulf of Nebraska for sale.

Interested?

Regorp 09-05-2024 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AZ SLIM (Post 2367019)
This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather

It ain't over til it's over.

SaucyJim 09-05-2024 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2367163)
You forget, they get paid to say certain things and for avoiding to say certain things. Anyone who worked in government (or large bureaucracies) very well know this. I personally know 2 individuals who work for NOAA who said they are not allowed to publicly voice their "expert" opinions about climate climate change while representing NOAA. In other words, those people have a choice -- support your faith or support your family -- and for the most part supporting family comes first -- except for the whistle-blowers. To hear what some are not allowed to say ... Sep 6, 4 PM, Lake Miona.

Why can I not find this weather meeting on TV site? They show next meeting at Bridgeport on Sep 19th.

LMK because I want to be there.

Taltarzac725 09-05-2024 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2367355)
I have some prime oceanfront property on the Gulf of Nebraska for sale.

Interested?

I will not reach age 12225 or whenever that might occur .

SaucyJim 09-05-2024 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TomSpasm (Post 2367343)
The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

I agree. The funniest jokes are based on truth. Thanks for negating your own argument. 😎

Taltarzac725 09-05-2024 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TomSpasm (Post 2367343)
The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

Well said. Now who is getting checks from big oil? Probably not the CBS weather forecasters. But the entertainment "news" channel might be another matter.

And the loudmouths you can find many other places who negate science?

Birdrm 09-05-2024 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AZ SLIM (Post 2367019)
This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather

The problem with trying to forecast a overly active hurricane season is that there are a number of factors that can affect the formation and strength of hurricanes that no forecaster can see 6 months ahead. This is just part of the fear that the world is going to end unless we act now! The problem with this is that many have been saying this for decades yet here were are still doing what we were doing decades ago?

Taltarzac725 09-05-2024 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Birdrm (Post 2367384)
The problem with trying to forecast a overly active hurricane season is that there are a number of factors that can affect the formation and strength of hurricanes that no forecaster can see 6 months ahead. This is just part of the fear that the world is going to end unless we act now! The problem with this is that many have been saying this for decades yet here were are still doing what we were doing decades ago?

What global warming will look like in the future seems fairly well settled. Even if the exact number and intensity of this season's storms involve a lot of educated guesswork.

I know if I had to pick who would be operating on my mother I would not want some Joe Blow from Bodunk University but someone very well trained in what she was doing. And I would trust someone from a top meteorologist school rather than some hobbyist online about global warming. Or some "journalist" more interested in heat than light.

sounding 09-05-2024 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TomSpasm (Post 2367343)
The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

I'm sure it's amazing to you, but it's a nightmare for those who work in those environments. Just mention that subject at any weather club meeting for examples of what you don't know.

Taltarzac725 09-05-2024 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2367400)
I'm sure it's amazing to you, but it's a nightmare for those who work in those environments. Just mention that subject at any weather club meeting for examples of what you don't know.

I kind of doubt it.

Maybe a nightmare for someone bucking the system for whatever reason.

sounding 09-05-2024 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SaucyJim (Post 2367366)
Why can I not find this weather meeting on TV site? They show next meeting at Bridgeport on Sep 19th.

LMK because I want to be there.

I never said the Weather Club was giving the talk on Sep 6, at 4 PM, at Lake Miona. I just said the presentation will be about Tonga and why hurricane season is on life support. The talk was requested by the Philosophy Club, which meets each Friday at 4 PM at Lake Miona. This talk was originally given at the Weather Club. It has also been given at the Science & Technology Club, and another is planned for another club next month. This is a very popular and important subject. Each time the talk is given, new data and updated information is added, which is why some people come to each talk -- because it presents information the media will not mention.

Taltarzac725 09-05-2024 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2367417)
I never said the Weather Club was giving the talk on Sep 6, at 4 PM, at Lake Miona. I just said the presentation will be about Tonga and why hurricane season is on life support. The talk was requested by the Philosophy Club, which meets each Friday at 4 PM at Lake Miona. This talk was originally given at the Weather Club. It has also been given at the Science & Technology Club, and another is planned for another club next month. This is a very popular and important subject. Each time the talk is given, new data and updated information is added, which is why some people come to each talk -- because it presents information the media will not mention.

Probably because it is bogus.

Ptmcbriz 09-05-2024 10:31 AM

Most of you need to learn the difference between climate and weather.

Climate is many years of data and you look at the TREND. The trend over the past 150 years has scientific data showing overall warming. It’s this trend we want to reverse.

Inside the the TREND are ups and downs in yearly weather. Some warmer, some cooler. Their individual events which is WEATHER. All the thousands of ups and downs of the weather events creates the CLIMATE trend.


The trend is warmer. Stop basing a cooling season event as your proof of no Climate Change. It shows your ignorance.

sounding 09-05-2024 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2367433)
Most of you need to learn the difference between climate and weather.

Climate is many years of data and you look at the TREND. The trend over the past 150 years has scientific data showing overall warming. It’s this trend we want to reverse.

Inside the the TREND are ups and downs in yearly weather. Some warmer, some cooler. Their individual events which is WEATHER. All the thousands of ups and downs of the weather events creates the CLIMATE trend.


The trend is warmer. Stop basing a cooling season event as your proof of no Climate Change. It shows your ignorance.

Well actually, the long term trend shows cooling. But, looking at the big picture, we are warming and cooling at the same time -- it just depends on which cycle you are talking about. However, in the shorter-term, the next effect of these cycles shows we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age.

MorTech 09-05-2024 11:25 AM

Sunspot activity has intensified in Solar Cycle 25. A lot of REAL scientists are now claiming the Ice Age termination event. Ideally conditions on earth for biological life is about 9F warmer than today, with atmospheric CO2 at about 1100 PPM (0.11%).

MorTech 09-05-2024 11:30 AM

Why would anyone trust experts...We should only trust perts.

sounding 09-05-2024 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2367454)
Sunspot activity has intensified in Solar Cycle 25. A lot of REAL scientists are now claiming the Ice Age termination event. Ideally conditions on earth for biological life is about 9F warmer than today, with atmospheric CO2 at about 1100 PPM (0.11%).

The last ice age "glaciation" terminated about 8,000 years ago, when our current Interglacial Warm Period peaked in what we now call the Holocene. We are now very slowly headed into the next glaciation.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2367118)
What????? Huh?????

That's not what the thread is all about. No one thinks the media should not report a hurricane that is out to sea and may approach land.

The point is that certain powers have an agenda to make TRILLIONS off the backs of our citizens, and the media is either actively or tacitly complicit in pushing this false narrative by forecasting imminent doom via predictions of more frequent and devastating hurricanes and daily reports of "heat indices" vs. the actual temperatures.

I just don't have that much of a problem with "heat indices".

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ SLIM (Post 2367019)
This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather

The number and strength of Hurricanes and Global Warming are 2 different (but related subjects). Global Warming is the increased temperatures measured by scientists worldwide that have taken place in the last 30 or so years. Hurricanes increase with ocean temperature, but there are about 4 other factors also. Wind shear prevents hurricanes from forming. It has been HIGH for the last 3 weeks (but that could change). The tropical wave track has been pushing further north than usual. Atmospheric Stability- The air aloft is warmer than normal, which may or may not be caused by water vapor from Tonga could be keeping the upper air warm (a favorite theory by the Weather Club). MJO- an atmospheric wave that goes around the globe every 30 to 60 days.
.........Most BIG storm hits to the US have happened AFTER Sept 10 th.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2367139)
Fox News, CSU, and all the experts failed to mention the root cause of the hurricane lull ... Tonga. This was mentioned in prior Weather Club presentations, with the next one this Sep 6, at 4 PM at Lake Miona. Those who study weather data versus climate alarmism are aware of Tonga's unprecedented global warming spike, which is causing unprecedented ripple effects across the global - including monsoon-like rains in the Sahara. The reason those so-called experts refuse to mention Tonga is because it's Tonga's massive injection of "water-vapor" into the stratosphere that's causing the huge global warming temperature spike. In other words it exposes the fraudulent CO2 control-knob theory and clearly shows that water-vapor is the monster greenhouse gas control knob.

Scientists say that is ONE POSSIBLE factor out of about 5.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2367140)
Just another example of pushing the false global warming agenda.

I would have to say that Global Warming is "settled science". Since it is just recorded temperatures showing increases in about the last 30 years. There is NO mystery to recorded data.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2367163)
You forget, they get paid to say certain things and for avoiding to say certain things. Anyone who worked in government (or large bureaucracies) very well know this. I personally know 2 individuals who work for NOAA who said they are not allowed to publicly voice their "expert" opinions about climate climate change while representing NOAA. In other words, those people have a choice -- support your faith or support your family -- and for the most part supporting family comes first -- except for the whistle-blowers. To hear what some are not allowed to say ... Sep 6, 4 PM, Lake Miona.

2 people out of hundreds of thousands of climate experts worldwide. I doubt there could be a conspiracy that BIG.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2367176)
Correct. Global warming is a reality---it started 20,000 years ago when we were living in caves

It is happening, no one is insisting it isn't

It is real, obviously, since the Northern Hemisphere is no longer covered by 2 miles of ice

However, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY.

Simply look at the temperature increases worldwide in the last 30 years. That data does NOT lie.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2367231)
Acid rain was a pollution problem -- we fixed that.

Ozone hole was never proven to be human-caused.

CO2 pollution is a complete lie.

And yes we are all gonna die ... but will most likely live longer than our ancestors due, in part, to global warming and increasing CO2.

Crop yield have stopped rising in last 2 years in the US. The soil has been over-fertilized and over used. And since we supply food to much of the world - there is going to be starvation in many parts. And they will be marching North of the equator due to Global Warming destroying their farming lives. Many are all ready here.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:48 PM

Crop yield have stopped rising in last 2 years in the US. The soil has been over-fertilized and over used. And since we supply food to much of the world - there is going to be starvation in many parts. And they will be marching North of the equator due to Global Warming destroying their farming lives. Many are all ready here.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Birdrm (Post 2367384)
The problem with trying to forecast a overly active hurricane season is that there are a number of factors that can affect the formation and strength of hurricanes that no forecaster can see 6 months ahead. This is just part of the fear that the world is going to end unless we act now! The problem with this is that many have been saying this for decades yet here were are still doing what we were doing decades ago?

Look at a graph of world population. 2 decades ago it was much less.

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2367460)
Why would anyone trust experts...We should only trust perts.

So experts are RETIRED PERTS ?

jimjamuser 09-05-2024 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2367464)
The last ice age "glaciation" terminated about 8,000 years ago, when our current Interglacial Warm Period peaked in what we now call the Holocene. We are now very slowly headed into the next glaciation.

So many pretty colors. Someone may get HIGH on that graph.

ThirdOfFive 09-05-2024 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2367534)
I would have to say that Global Warming is "settled science". Since it is just recorded temperatures showing increases in about the last 30 years. There is NO mystery to recorded data.

Is science ever really "settled"?

I've always seen science as the logical formulation of theories based on all pertinent current data, with the understanding that as more data comes to light, those theories may be revised slightly, altered significantly, or even negated totally. History is replete with examples of "settled science" undergoing such changes. Phrenology, determining personality traits by the shape of one's skull, was "science" in roughly the first half of the 19th century before more information coming to light completely discredited it. But my favorite has to be the science of astronomy. It was "settled science" back in the fifteenth century that the earth was the center of pretty much everything. I mean, you could SEE it. The Sun faithfully circled the earth once every 24 hours. Likewise for the moon and most of the stars (those pesky points of light called "wanderers" didn't always follow the same paths and procedures of the other stars but they were at least predictable. Besides, the earth as the center of everything jived pretty neatly with the current religious thought of the day. Then along comes Galileo, expanding on a theory of Copernicus, and with this newfangled scientific instrument called a telescope and throws the whole settled science of astronomy for a loop. His observations proved that what you SEE isn't always what IS. The church branded him as a heretic and he nearly lost his life in the process. I think it took the church something like 300 years to finally admit that they were wrong and Galileo was right.

Such is what happens when "settled science" becomes dogma.

CoachKandSportsguy 09-05-2024 07:58 PM

Don't be so sure of backing off extreme forecasting!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...da/ar-AA1q0HmQ

They are still at it. .

sounding 09-05-2024 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2367572)
Don't be so sure of backing off extreme forecasting!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...da/ar-AA1q0HmQ

They are still at it. .

They have to keep the public continually alarmed in order to control them. Since there is no climate crisis -- they have make up the crisis of the day. It's both funny and sad to see.

fdpaq0580 09-05-2024 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2367176)
Correct. Global warming is a reality---it started 20,000 years ago when we were living in caves

It is happening, no one is insisting it isn't

It is real, obviously, since the Northern Hemisphere is no longer covered by 2 miles of ice

However, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY.

Yeah! It really does! 🫠🫠🫠

sounding 09-05-2024 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2367591)
Yeah! It really does! 🫠🫠🫠

So how much did man-made CO2 "really" warm the earth last year?


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