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Cobullymom 07-06-2023 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2232344)
The big deal is that a tiny change in global temperature produces an enormous change in the ecosystems of this planet. Water behaves very differently at 31.9 degrees than it does at 32.1 degrees. Your own body is very sensitive to a fractional change in temperature. How do you feel with a body temp of 101?

You're certainly aware of the serious damage to coral reefs in the last decade, from a tiny change in ocean temperature. The pH of oceans is slightly becoming more acidic which will seriously disrupt the life of sea organisms which must have pH in a very narrow range, just like humans. Your blood pH should be 7.4 At 7.0 you are likely dead. Tiny changes.

So be snarky about snowbirds and heating costs, but the rate of change in the global temperature is very dramatic and the whole world's scientific community with the exception of a few owned by Koch Industries and the GOP are uniform in their assessment.

When Golfing Eagles, who should understand how to read a scientific report doesn't immediately understand that there was no collection of data on the subject of mean daily global temperature before 1979 and immediately jumps to the conclusion that there is a media conspiracy to indoctrinate us rather than getting exactly what the data says, that is scary.




This is a very clear, easily understood, story. The highest ever recorded, no records of this data set exist prior to 1979. Simple, a caveman should be able to grasp and not misconstrue. His sentence claiming that


GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.

When you are told the temperatures are changing in an unprecedented fashion, ignore people here and on some media who lie to you. Here is the graph of the last 2000 years. See anything unusual at the right side, the last few years. Yes, proven global warming never seen in historical times.

And the last 1/2 century, since the increase in industrialization, burning carbon fuels has the most dramatic pattern.

"those of us who accept the science" give me a break, and I'm sure you got your vaccines and wore your mask like a good little sheeple too...so tired of self-absorbed self predicated terms..

Andyb 07-06-2023 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

Glad to see someone gets it! Yep, most all main stream media push their deceptive, usually misinformed narratives. We are actually entering an ice age, if you follow the “real” science.
On another note, everyone should watch and promote the film, “Sounds of Freedom”. It exposes the human trafficking, that has been covered up for many years, by the MSM and political leaders.

Bill14564 07-06-2023 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2232413)
Glad to see someone gets it! Yep, most all main stream media push their deceptive, usually misinformed narratives. We are actually entering an ice age, if you follow the “real” science.
On another note, everyone should watch and promote the film, “Sounds of Freedom”. It exposes the human trafficking, that has been covered up for many years, by the MSM and political leaders.

Any chance you have some links to that "real" science?

Even the climate-change deniers will wsay we are warming because we are *leaving* an ice age. Sounds like you may have a set of alternative facts.

Stu from NYC 07-06-2023 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2232410)
histrionic scientists looking for funding research projects talk about the historical rise in temperature.

The earth's wobble in many orbital and spinning dimensions might have something to to with the warming. . .

There is still time to panic though

Why wait till the last minute to panic?

dewilson58 07-06-2023 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2232412)
"those of us who accept the science" give me a break, and I'm sure you got your vaccines and wore your mask like a good little sheeple too...so tired of self-absorbed self predicated terms..

that was science????

JodyBraga 07-06-2023 07:36 AM

Media Collusion
 
Operation Mockingbird has been around since the 1960’s. With any “narrative” you can flip through all major network “news” channels and hear the exact same script uttered by the anchor desk.

Whitley 07-06-2023 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2232296)
Some people see conspiracies when none exist.

Until we find out years later that it was true.

Wondering 07-06-2023 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

Keep dinking that Kool-Aide, it brings out your "intelligence"!

Whitley 07-06-2023 07:44 AM

So be snarky about snowbirds and heating costs, but the rate of change in the global temperature is very dramatic and the whole world's scientific community with the exception of a few owned by Koch Industries and the GOP are uniform in their assessment.
This is a very clear, easily understood, story. The highest ever recorded, no records of this data set exist prior to 1979. Simple, a caveman should be able to grasp and not misconstrue. His sentence claiming that
GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.


Are we able to discuss political parties now as the poster above has?

I would like to, just want to clear it.

cynjim 07-06-2023 07:44 AM

[Climate change is happening for those who don't want to believe it...and there is a fake narratives out there about other things that have been pushed for over 3 years now that people want to ignore...like what is going on in Florida by RD ...that are really bad for our state and our country...

Two Bills 07-06-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2232362)
Since we don't seem to care how much debt we leave for our children.

Don't know why oldies keep banging on about leaving current debt for our children,
Our kids have been running the show for last 20-30 years.
It's their debt.
National Debt was near manageable when my/our generations were steering the ship.
I sleep well at night, let them sort the mess out they are creating.

(I feel better now!)

Whitley 07-06-2023 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2232412)
"those of us who accept the science" give me a break, and I'm sure you got your vaccines and wore your mask like a good little sheeple too...so tired of self-absorbed self predicated terms..

Accept the science. Science now says Males can give birth.

Yeah, no. Sorry. Science has been corrupted.

Whitley 07-06-2023 07:59 AM

In the 1970's Newsweek reported that we are entering an Ice Age. Our use of aerosol products was pushing us towards the ice age faster.
Solution to the current story about Global Warming, BRING BACK aerosol cans.

Bill14564 07-06-2023 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2232437)
Accept the science. Science now says Males can give birth.

Yeah, no. Sorry. Science has been corrupted.

What science says males can give birth? Not asking what talking points or position statements or tortured definitions say that. What science says that?

Critical thinking skills enable one to separate the facts and the science from the noise. Critical thinking skills appear to be sorely lacking today.

Whitley 07-06-2023 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JodyBraga (Post 2232424)
Operation Mockingbird has been around since the 1960’s. With any “narrative” you can flip through all major network “news” channels and hear the exact same script uttered by the anchor desk.

It use to be that politicians were given the days talking points, highlighting words to stress when responding to news questions. Today the news get the talking points directly. The damage done to once respected organizations (FBI, IRS, DOJ, Main Media Outlets, CDC, DoH) is very regrettable. Don't attacke me for this lapse in judgement, but I was giving consideration to Bernie Sanders in 2016. When I saw how they shut him down then, and yet again in 2020, I lost all respect for the established parties. There is not even a hint that we choose the candidates any longer.

Whitley 07-06-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cynjim (Post 2232431)
[Climate change is happening for those who don't want to believe it...and there is a fake narratives out there about other things that have been pushed for over 3 years now that people want to ignore...like what is going on in Florida by RD ...that are really bad for our state and our country...

Many, many people are very happy with how the state of Florida is run.

Joe C. 07-06-2023 08:09 AM

As long as my A/C keeps working, I really don't give a damn.

djplong 07-06-2023 08:12 AM

If you don't know or refuse to understand the difference between weather, and climate, well, there's not a lot that can be discussed.

But, to be fair, the articles reporting that piece of 'news' have been VERY "click-bait-y".

Whitley 07-06-2023 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2232447)
What science says males can give birth? Not asking what talking points or position statements or tortured definitions say that. What science says that?

Critical thinking skills enable one to separate the facts and the science from the noise. Critical thinking skills appear to be sorely lacking today.

Why do you go to the insult at the end of your post? Do you think that makes someone think you are s person that I can have a sincere discussion with? Since your post does not really come across as someone interested in getting the facts, google it yourself. There are numerous articles in health and science magazines saying men can in fact get pregnant.

Whitley 07-06-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2232432)
Don't know why oldies keep banging on about leaving current debt for our children,
Our kids have been running the show for last 20-30 years.
It's their debt.
National Debt was near manageable when my/our generations were steering the ship.
I sleep well at night, let them sort the mess out they are creating.

(I feel better now!)

One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

cjrjck 07-06-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2232344)
Men plug the dikes of their most needed beliefs with whatever mud they can find

To quote from two popular songs:
"I'm just a singer in a rock n roll band"
and
"I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do, so I'll leave it up to you"

I don't know much about all this but what I do know when I see it is a religion. And the new religion today is what I call the actual "scientology". And science is their god. Unfortunately, unlike Christianity, where you are to hate the sin but love the sinner, "scientologists" hate the sin and loathe the sinner. Only a religion, actually more like a religious cult, would get so spun up about those that refuse to believe.

I support your right to believe what you believe. I really do. I would hope that you would do the same.

Bill14564 07-06-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2232469)
Why do you go to the insult at the end of your post? Do you think that makes someone think you are s person that I can have a sincere discussion with? Since your post does not really come across as someone interested in getting the facts, google it yourself. There are numerous articles in health and science magazines saying men can in fact get pregnant.

Not interested in going down that rabbit hole. If you have the science, and not just opinion, accusation, or tortured definition then please provide a link.

Not intended as an insult, just an observation. Critical thinking is lacking today. People react to a headline without reading the article. People read the article through a bias that prevents them from comprehending what the article is truly trying to say. It's just what happens too often today.

Taltarzac725 07-06-2023 08:50 AM

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet.

I would believe NASA long before I would believe the latest loud mouth on a FOX station.

And it takes a strong mind to deal with the threat of global warming. A weak one just believes it is all a hoax when it cannot deal with reality.

rpalumberi 07-06-2023 08:52 AM

pushing another hoax for control of the narrative
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

thank you for the post, 100% agree

jump4 07-06-2023 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2232296)
Some people see conspiracies when none exist.

So So TRUE.

jswirs 07-06-2023 09:24 AM

It's really simple...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

...If you don't listen to the news media you are uninformed, if you do listen to the news media, you are misinformed. No doubt, it's all about sensationalism and the resulting profits from those exaggerations.
Oh, by the way, did you know the world was coming to an end at the change of the last century? Yep, that boosted retail sales of many venues.
And then we have Al Gore and "An Inconvenient Truth", as he flies around the world in a jet consuming gobs of fuel, not to mention his lavish life style. But don't be too concerned, he has made millions from his sensationalistic types of books. "Get the sheeple to panic and we'll sell more books".

Byte1 07-06-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2232489)
Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet.

I would believe NASA long before I would believe the latest loud mouth on a FOX station.

And it takes a strong mind to deal with the threat of global warming. A weak one just believes it is all a hoax when it cannot deal with reality.

What "loud mouth" from FOX network? Did someone mention FOX?
A "strong mind" is able to FIX global warming? A "strong mind" is able to change the weather cycles/trends? How does that work? Is everyone going to turn off their A/C which will then cool their neighborhoods? Are we going to turn off all electronics, which will also start a cooling trend? Or, did you really intend to say "In my opinion....."???? I must have a strong mind (according to you) because I believe that Earth has warming trends and cooling trends. Should I say "in my opinion" those with "weak minds" believe that man can change the weather or stop the warming and cooling trends? I don't know if FOX would agree with me since I don't usually get my news from TV. Although, if I DID get my news from TV, FOX would probably be one of my first choices. I would prefer not to listen to a "loud mouth" though.

jswirs 07-06-2023 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jump4 (Post 2232505)
So So TRUE.

And some people believe what they are told, without applying common sense and reasoning. And don't forget to get your booster shot.

Stu from NYC 07-06-2023 09:57 AM

Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him but than again he probably had his own agenda

LuvNH 07-06-2023 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2232525)
Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him but than again he probably had his own agenda

I think Cronkite was a TRUE newsreader. Unfortunately the majority of people reading the news these days put their own spin on everything. If I want spin, I'll do my own, just let me know what is happening in the world and leave the rest to me.

CoachKandSportsguy 07-06-2023 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2232472)
One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

that will be a long time in the future. . . unless something radically changes in the US. . long after all of the retired residents in TV are no longer residents

blueash 07-06-2023 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captainpd (Post 2232394)
Bloomberg controls 70% of the media. We see what he and his party wants us to see and read

Nice anti-Semitic dog whistle. Did you read that in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Of course you will post a link to a reliable source for that statement, soon.

fdpaq0580 07-06-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2232425)
Until we find out years later that it was true.

Or not. Like seeing faces in clouds. Some see conspiracy due to conditioning, often of political and/or religious indoctrination.

fdpaq0580 07-06-2023 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2232510)
What "loud mouth" from FOX network? Did someone mention FOX?
A "strong mind" is able to FIX global warming? A "strong mind" is able to change the weather cycles/trends? How does that work? Is everyone going to turn off their A/C which will then cool their neighborhoods? Are we going to turn off all electronics, which will also start a cooling trend? Or, did you really intend to say "In my opinion....."???? I must have a strong mind (according to you) because I believe that Earth has warming trends and cooling trends. Should I say "in my opinion" those with "weak minds" believe that man can change the weather or stop the warming and cooling trends? I don't know if FOX would agree with me since I don't usually get my news from TV. Although, if I DID get my news from TV, FOX would probably be one of my first choices. I would prefer not to listen to a "loud mouth" though.

Hey, Talt, I think you struck a nerve on this "steeple in FOX clothing".

blueash 07-06-2023 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232361)
Wow, I just have no idea where to start debunking that crap.
I didn't say it was hotter in 1978,

The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.


Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

fdpaq0580 07-06-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2232549)
The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.


Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

Simple answer. You are right, he is wrong. But, ego and "die hard" political stance will likely never allow him to even see the truth or acknowledge it.

Nana2Teddy 07-06-2023 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjeanj (Post 2232324)
Here’s what I know

It’s hotter than heck these days, so I go to the pool or stay in a/c.
Climate change , if it is occurring, is going to be life-changing only after I die.
Nothing I can do about it, so I won’t worry about it.
Collusion? Really?
Do you pore over articles just to find conspiracies behind every article? Don’t you have anything better to do?
Weak-minded people? Really?

We tried going to the pool on the 4th but the water was so hot we lasted only 5 minutes. How does anyone feel refreshed in the simmering temps of these Villages pools? As newbies it’s so disappointing.

Boston1945 07-06-2023 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2232549)
The blind will not see. Somebody, I don't know who, oh, it was golfing Eagles wrote in BOLD ALL CAPS

IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY.


Now let me help with that sentence. 44 years ago was 1978/1979. As the data says hottest since 1979 it must have been 1978 in your statement.

Don't come back here and prevaricate about what you thought you read. You probably are embarrassed you didn't read carefully. You continue to make claims about 20000 years ago and such. But look at the graphs I posted. The early years are temps calculated from data such as tree rings etc. We only have rounded yearly temperature data for the last 150 years and we only have worldwide daily data since 1979 in this data set which is the standard being used.

So yes you said it was hotter in 1978. You were wrong. You misunderstood what you read because you refuse to accept the science. There is no evidence that axis tilt, or the old favorite sunspots etc are causing the extremely rapid increase in global temperatures.

We have been thru several sunspot cycles, there is no correlation to our temperature changes. The earth did not sudden change it's axis in the last 40 years. You need more mud for your dike.

Thank you for the your post. I am on board with your graphics. Numbers tell the story. Been here in Florida for over 50 years and I can tell you this IT'S HOT" Looking back at growing up in the 40's not too many folks owned a car back in the day. When you look at the numbers as the years pass, the numbers go up. Today, we have at least two cars per home

tophcfa 07-06-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2232472)
One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2232535)
that will be a long time in the future. . . unless something radically changes in the US. . long after all of the retired residents in TV are no longer residents

It might happen a lot quicker than people think if something isn’t done about this country’s out of control spending and the resulting unsustainable deficit.

Two Bills 07-06-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2232472)
One of the main concerns I have for the future, is what would happen should the USD no longer be the universal currency.

Something will take it's place.
Same as over the centuries some form of payment was the norm, and who ever had the most of it was king, until he wasn't.
The way banks are going, with their never ending drive to get rid of cash, a new world currency will probably be the answer, something like Bitcoin.
Not my worry.


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