Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2401270)

Note to self. Over 1/2 the country is smart enough to realize the climate IS ALWAYS CHANGING. And smart enough to realize man has no impact on this. To say anything otherwise, well, you missed a day in school.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2401192)

Both global cooling and global warming are "climate change." When the climate changes - no matter what that change is, no matter what causes it, no matter how severe or mild - it is - by definition - climate change.

People love weaponizing and politicizing terms. Climate change is an actual thing. It happens, whether you want to accept it or not. Your opinion about climate change won't make it stop happening. It will happen whether people cause OR contribute to it, or not. People contribute to it, and we COULD reduce our contribution if we wanted to. But the climate will continue to change. Faster than if we hadn't contributed to it, but nonetheless, change.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2401295)

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401084)

I wish a real climate expert would come on here.

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2401285)

Man is a very minor player.
It will reverse all by itself, as it has for the last 400,000 years at least, is another 100 years or so. We then begin the long trek into the next ice age.
The expected max temp, as predicted by the Milankovich Cycles (which are a well accepted scientific fact for many decades now), has yet to be reached.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2401295)

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2401235)

Such garbage, the Santa Ana winds are not caused by climate change and Santa Ana winds have nothing to do with Santa Ana, California. Our house burned down along with 220 others in Santa Barbara due to Santa Ana winds almost 50 years ago. Back then, the fools were calling it global warming, or the hole in the ozone layer, or some other catchy phrase they tried to pull over us.
People (California leadership, homeowners) have to take responsibility for these fires, for example, the idiotic leadership has to implement standards in building construction, like no cedar roofs, no tall trees close to the house and creating fire breaks and implementing forest management.
But, all the California leadership can do is blame everyone else. These fires are right next to the ocean, salt water that would extinguish the flames easier, and nothing is happening. We were in another fire in another state and we had 50 helicopters with buckets dipping their buckets in our lake and dumping it on the fires. Not 1 helicopter was issued to do that in these California fires.
Maui, same thing happened. Ignorant leadership.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2400951)

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2401326)

You are 100% correct! Is the fault of Gavin Newsom and the mayor. He knocked down 3 dams to save a fish and took away some of their water reservoir system. They didn't clean the underbrush. They waited forever when they could've had planes, dropping water and fire retardant soon as it started. They could have called the National Guard out earlier. They could have monitored that area by just flying over every day.

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2401169)

I do not pretend to understand the science of what is going on, but Mother Nature is certainly pizzed off and has been for a while.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2400951)

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2401295)

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2401225)

"Faster" is a subjective opinion. Do you have any supporting data -- like how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth in 2023 for example?

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2401245)

Maybe the Wind Gusts are keeping them from providing Air Support. They have used air support including super tankers in the past, but not during high winds.

Originally Posted by lpkruege1 (Post 2401340)

The Sky is Falling, The Sky Is Falling! Seriously, just follow the money.

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2401280)

Yes, the title is a lie meant to stir the pot.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2400951)

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2401374)

Same tired silly question. The data is there.
If you (humans) add fuel to a cars engine it will go faster. fact. How much faster depends on many factors, like make and model, quality of fuel, fuel mixture, load, resistance, etc. Rather than try to quiet the statement by focusing on one fluctuating element of the fuel mixture, why not engage in more constructive dialog about what might help slow the rate of warming? Global warming/climate change, once vehemently denied, is now openly accepted. One step to go is acknowledgement that human activities have played a part.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2401374)

Same tired silly question. The data is there.
If you (humans) add fuel to a cars engine it will go faster. fact. How much faster depends on many factors, like make and model, quality of fuel, fuel mixture, load, resistance, etc. Rather than try to quiet the statement by focusing on one fluctuating element of the fuel mixture, why not engage in more constructive dialog about what might help slow the rate of warming? Global warming/climate change, once vehemently denied, is now openly accepted. One step to go is acknowledgement that human activities have played a part.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2401268)

All true, but I'll add best independent, non-political estimates are that human activity will simply delay the next ice age by about 5,000 years---and that is due to the rise of agriculture in Asia over the last 8,000 years and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAST 200 YEARS OF BURNING FOSSIL FUELS.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401395)

Nicely stated. If the scientists of most reputable institutions all say the same thing they are probably right unless advances in knowledge bring new things to light . Common sense.

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2401269)

And the government websites aren't?
Basics of Climate Change | US EPA

Global warming is not settled science. Climate change has been around since the beginning of time. And when the proposed solution is to increase taxes and throttle our standard of living then it is wise to be exposed to scientific based arguments of both sides because it is extremely complex.

I originally believed they hype from Al Gore, but became more skeptical when many scientists in the climate field were challenging the theory. So I dug further and read about the UN climate change conferences and found out that the politicians and bureaucrats dominated the discourse and the many scientists who disagreed were completely ignored.

Science can be and has many times been corrupted by special interests especially when profits and political power can be obtained.

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2401400)

Santa Ana winds have been around since the dawn of humanity. There have been some very serious wind issues recorded the last decade of 19th century in the LA area. The dry years have come and gone, but none were as dry as the 1930s when the mid US recorded the time period as the “Dust Bowl”. I get a kick out of those claiming “Climate “ change when climate has to be measured over a much more lengthy time frame than a year or two.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2401403)

The beauty of science is that it is never "settled" completely. True science isn't corrupt. But, certain groups or individuals may misrepresent, distort, hide, misuse the results of scientific enquiry. Science is the search for truth. Nothing more. Nothing sinister. But many want to hide the truth for many, many reasons, criminal, political, religious, etc. Don't blame science, blame the ones who misuse it.

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2401275)

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Warming is happening but man cannot change it without messing things up. That is the one thing we excel at.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401404)

Except for all the man made pollution going into the atmosphere for the last 150 years or so.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2401295)

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401395)

Nicely stated. If the scientists of most reputable institutions all say the same thing they are probably right unless advances in knowledge bring new things to light . Common sense.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2401311)

Man has contributed to extinction of about everything for greed. They bulldozed land to plant crops, they killed of animals for trophies, they killed their fellow humans for land and control. So why not kill off weather? No other animals can have profound effect of planet earth. Maybe population reduction would be better investment than trying to tilt earth axis?

Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2401326)

You are 100% correct! Is the fault of Gavin Newsom and the mayor. He knocked down 3 dams to save a fish and took away some of their water reservoir system. They didn't clean the underbrush. They waited forever when they could've had planes, dropping water and fire retardant soon as it started. They could have called the National Guard out earlier. They could have monitored that area by just flying over every day.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401343)

That was up in Oregon and northern CA and looks to have no connection to the water system in Los Angeles.

Lots of bad information out there .

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2401380)

^ Concur. Exactly this. I remember in the 1980's when the hyperventilating sign-wavers were demanding an end to hairspray and aerosols because of the hole in the o-zone they supposedly created. We were all going to die of skin cancer within decades. Well, 45 years later that hole in the o-zone magically healed itself. Or never existed in the first place.

Originally Posted by GWilliams (Post 2401391)

The problem is that people think they can buy the air over other countries and smother your farts and what you say.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2401401)

Nicely stated -- but fails to identify exactly how much man-made CO2 actually warmed the earth at any prior year. Notice it is never said. Guess why. Guess why Global Warming became Climate Change.