And go to the meeting of the civil discord club. Learn everything you never knew about the weather, or climate, or whatever they want to tell you.

There have not been any serious volcanic eruptions causing widespread changes in the weather for quite a while. And they usually make things colder. Krakatoa in 1883, for example, was a very strong volcanic explosion. And it had done that before as well.

I’ve always believed all humans had a natural can-do attitude built in their DNA, but I am starting to realize I was wrong, there seem to be a number of humans that have a can’t do attitude.
When it comes to climate change many will say do nothing and let nature takes it course. For those who truly believe we should not try to harness our own destiny and leave everything to nature, imagine yourself living in a cave, wearing animal skins for clothing and having to forage for food every day. Thanks for early human that were satisfied with what nature dealt them.

CORRECTION TO MY LAST POSTING

I’ve always believed all humans had a natural can-do attitude built in their DNA, but I am starting to realize I was wrong, there seem to be a number of humans that have a can’t do attitude.
When it comes to climate change many will say do nothing and let nature takes it course. For those who truly believe we should not try to harness our own destiny and leave everything to nature, imagine yourself living in a cave, wearing animal skins for clothing and having to forage for food every day. Thanks for early human that were NOT satisfied with what nature dealt them.

Well, the TV channel that I watch has climate experts on saying that the extra strength of the Santa Anna Winds are related to climate change. And since 2024 has been determined to be the HOTTEST on record, then I believe that there is some effect from Climate Change. What I basically hear is that some areas of the world are MORE influenced by the Global Heating than other areas. For example, the North and South Polar regions are effected as much as 4 times greater than the mid Latitudes. The Arctic ocean will have zero ice in a few years. That's why various countries are racing to establish mining operations there for lithium and other minerals.
........There are recent trends pushing people AWAY from science and scientific explanations. We will likely see it happening for THIS thread.

There are "climate experts" on both sides of this issue. Global Warming is a theory. It can not be be proven or disproven by a headcount of experts, professors and meteorologists. Nor can it be proven by any established scientific protocol, standard or testing.

The best we can do is to have reputable and highly credentialed professionals on both sides of the issue to participate in public debates or some other form of discourse that would be promulgated for all the world to see.

But of course that will never take place since the true goal of the climate agenda is not saving the planet but to expand the power of government so as to control or limit the freedom of individuals.

"Decreasing hurricanes and tornadoes".....not planet-wide on THIS Earth. Heat is the driving force for hurricanes and tornadoes. July 10th was the HOTTEST EVER RECORDED. 2024 was the 2nd most active on record for tornadoes in the US with over 1750 CONFIRMED tornadoes. Worldwide, in 2024, it is the US with the dubious honor of leading the world with the most (54) tornado-related deaths. China was at 14 and South Africa had 12. This stuff can be Googled - I am NOT making it up. Facts can be found very easily today.
......We do NOT have DECREASING hurricanes and tornadoes.

Not saying they are right or wrong but "facts" tend to be one-sided.

2024 is the worldwide warmest on record (since temperatures were recorded). And the last 10 years are the warmest 10 on record. The fact that they are recent and increasing should SCARE everyone. They are numbers that can't be denied - even by climate deniers.

Never happen. You preach heresy to a True Believer and it automatically gets rejected out-of-hand.

Well, then why is it that every day of every hour recently, I have seen helicopters dropping water and fire retardant out of buckets or some container?????

"something we can do" .........I must have written 50 posts saying that buying Electric vehicles and bikes are the MAIN thing that people can do. Increased populations driving gasoline vehicles worldwide are the problem. The problem is so bad that the US government should pay 80% of a new Electric vehicle, but that won't happen. Because it is so much easier to ignore the problem and the OIL and GAS industry makes MEGA PROFITS.

The world has 8.2 Billion people in it today. There were much fewer in the 1960s. And MANY fewer automobiles and people burning Coal worldwide.

Not as ridiculous as the non-stop climate-change scare-mongering in the media. But again, you aren't able to say how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth in 2024.

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Good afternoon, Saucy Jim. I must address your lifting my words out of context when you quoted only my next-to-last paragraph from what is now post #13 in this thread. That was an odd and disingenuous thing to do to my original post, where I was not arguing climate change, but was reacting to the hateful things I am seeing in the words of people who appear to be taking joy and finding humor in the tragedy of the fires.

C’mon, you chose to lift my figurative, not literal, wording, while ignoring the point of my entire post, quoted at the top of this page.

If you are willing to look again, just skip over the part where I talk about the Civil Discourse Club and pick up at the third paragraph that starts with “Btw,” and there you can read my point — but my guess is you chose to ignore that and were just looking for an opportunity to be snarky, lamely implying that I think Mother Nature is real. . .

BUT, ya know, I did see her when she did a commercial for Chiffon margarine a long time ago. Her only line was, “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature.” So! There she was. Right there on that television screen, albeit a small one. And aren’t we supposed to believe everything we see on a screen we watch and then behave accordingly while quoting a mindless mantra, abdicating our own critical thinking skills. Some people sure do just that.

The post I was responding to is now gone, but that post was a bitter mocking of the people who are losing everything in this fire. That post and a couple of others, gone now, too, caused me to speak up — which is what I did.

The lack of caring about others has been strategically cultivated for the gain of power. That type of cultivating has been a part of divide-and- conquer world history forever, but this century’s glut of media opportunities has made it so easy to turn people against each other.

People I have known to be kind souls are now falling for this hateful stuff. Why some are so susceptible to manipulation that drives them to take joy in the tragedy of other Americans is a mystery to me.

Anyway, please do not take my words out of context and then twist them to whatever it is you need. But if you want to argue my point about the inhumanity/dehumanizing we are seeing now in our purposely divided America, well then……..

Boomer

PS: Jon Stewart made the same point last night — but with biting sarcasm, insighful ox-goring. Watch it if you dare.

A.I needs MAGA-GOOBS of energy. So, A.I. MAY help push forward knowledge, but at a cost of huge wasted energy. Maybe nuclear energy will improve (they are getting smaller) and provide so much energy that China will not need to burn so much coal. And like California, the US will require all automobiles to be Electric after some (?) year. We can only hope.

And you do?

"Climate change" is not synonymous with "global warming" or "man-made CO2." It's like asking if the reason flowers grow in flower beds is because people buy fertilizer.

If we hadn't polluted the air. If we hadn't cut down forests. If we hadn't used the land for toxic waste. If we hadn't drilled thousands of miles worth of holes in the planet. If we hadn't replaced pristine natural reserves with skyscrapers and parking lots and commercial areas. If we hadn't dumped garbage in our water sources...

then the climate change would have still happened, but not as quickly. Glaciers melt. That's a natural part of climate change. But they're melting quicker now, than they have ever in the current incarnation of the existence of humans as homo sapien sapien.

The Age of Agriculture created pockets of needy soil that hadn't previously existed, which required water, which meant depleting local water sources, which meant needing to create chemical methods of growing to preserve water, which then attracted more pests, which needed more pesticide, which polluted the air, water, and land, which killed animals, which caused harm to the ecosystem and food chain, which led to dead critters, which led to decay, which composts and becomes heated, which seeps into water sources, which erodes the oceans, and so on and so forth.

The Bronze Age contributed its own death punch to the planet. Didn't kill it, but gave it a shake. The Iron Age did as well.

Throughout human history, we have continued to leech from the planet that sustains us, use it up, and burn it, pollute it, evaporate it, or otherwise consume it. Climate change is NOT the result of that, but it is AFFECTED by that.

You don't have to like it. And we can't stop it. Even if we were to slow it down /now/ we would likely not see the results of that slow-down in our lifetime, or our grandchildren's lifetimes.

Yes. Conveniently left out of the dialog.

If you compare the graphs of World Population in the last 50 years with a graph of Global Warming over the same time period, you can see both rise in the last 10 years. That just about explains it all.

They had a "super scooper" plane from Canada deployed over one of the fires, but someone idiot who wanted their 15 minutes of fame on TikTok got the genius idea of flying their drone over the area. The drone caused damage to the plane and it had to be grounded.

The stupidity of my fellow humans never ceases to amaze me.

Thank you for this! 🤗 My former life was in SoCal, and my whole family (3 adult kids, 3 y/o grandson, sister, brothers, very dear life long friends) all still live there. It’s all so heartbreaking. 💔

I think it's a stackable thing. Problem A happened, and then problem B happened, while problems C, D, and E were lining up to happen simultaneously. Then problems F and G happened, and then - the tipping point, was drilling enormous holes in the planet, sucking out the oil and leaving hollow pockets, and burning all of that oil into the atmosphere. I think it would've had little to no effect on climate change if nothing else had also already happened. But because all those other things happened - this was the thing that said "y'know what, Mother Nature is having a big sad. Her tears were glaciers, and now they're breaking off and doing things they weren't supposed to do until the human race evolved again."

What about the Ben Franklin and the kite flying experiment that involved lightning and electricity. That had a weather element.

WOW! A worldwide mega conspiracy. Now that is "scaremongering". Lions, Tigers and bears, oh my, and now global anti-science conspiracy? Welcome to the Matrix. 😄😁🫠

Compare the graphs of world population and world temperatures.

We can't "reverse" the cycle. At the absolute best, we can slow it down a bit so the next planetary shift doesn't wipe us out in 50,000, but instead maybe in 55,000 years. If we had started during the Age of Agriculture and been better stewards of the planet, maybe we could've prevented the CURRENT situation from being as extreme, and as frequent, and for as long a period per series of events. But we couldn't have stopped it.

Planets are born to die. It's simply what they do. It can take millions of years but eventually they conk out. Our planet is no different. It is in the process of dying. It won't happen in the next 10,000 years. But we will see new "tricks" of nature that we might not have seen before.

The melting of glaciers in Antarctica could uncover a lot of volcanoes in about 50 years.

Agree! Our weakness is that in trying to improve our lot, we didn’t know enough to see far enough ahead where we could forsee the problems we created along the way. Now we know the mistakes that were made, but some don't want to acknowledge humanities responsibilities. They, like a hit and run driver, are afraid of having to take the blame.

These are just a few that took only a couple of minutes to find. There are many more examples but based on your unserious and disrespectful response, it is obvious that in any dialogue with you, logic, reason and facts would be of no use.

Professor fired after expressing climate change skepticism | Fox News
Nicholas Drapela, Professor And Climate Change Denier, Fired From Oregon State University | HuffPost College
Grapevine: Prof fired for calling global warming unproven science | Fox News
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EXCLUSIVE: Prof Fired For Calling Global Warming ‘Unproved Science’ Stands Firm | The College Fix
https://www.chronicle.com/article/st...ing-crossfire/
https://cornwallalliance.org/what-ha...ate-orthodoxy/

(Dingaling) My audible notification
To those who might care, I repost what I found last year. It was as accurate as is reasonable for layman dialog. With the increase in population and other human related activities, I expect the 2024 data to be slightly greater than that of 2023.

"AI Overview
According to current data, the Earth's temperature rose by approximately 2.12 deg F above the 20th century average in 2023, making it the warmest year on record, with the majority of this warming attributed to human-caused CO2 emissions; however, pinpointing the exact amount of warming directly caused by man-made CO2 in a single year is complex and depends on various factors, including the overall increase of all greenhouse gases and the Earth's natural climate variability."

People have been repeatedly misled into believing the 2023/24 global warming spike is the work of CO2, but that's totally false. The heat spike is due to the Hunga Tonga volcano -- which is explained in detail at the Weather Club.

AI = Artificial Ignorance. The 2023/24 warming spike is Tonga-caused -- not CO2 or Methane.

Wait and see.
Meanwhile, the AI Overview is just that, an overview of all scientific data. It does not stand alone as the expert. It is simply an overview of all pertinent data provided by scientific journals, factors, papers, reports, etc. You know, stuff the real experts put out, as in data, facts and figures. You dismis it because it doesn't tell a story you like. That's fine. Don't believe it, don't accept it. The truth doesn't change whether we believe it or not.

Oh Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - form a Tonga line. As I stated last Spring ( before 2 climate change enhanced hurricanes damaged Florida) Climate Scientists at first thought that Tonga would warm the Earth. Later they came to the conclusion that it had little or no effect. Plus it is now 3 years in our rear view mirror. No climate scientists care about it anymore - they decided NOT to beat a dead Tonga horse.
.........Plus 2024 was the warmest on the planet. And there is no "spike". It is a gradual warming trend which increased greatly in the last 10 years. The heating is GRADUAL (as in no spike) and the result of excess CO2 forming a layer in the upper atmosphere and reflecting (refracting) some of the suns heat BACK to the Earth. Automobiles exhaust and burning coal by the increased world human population of the last 10 or 15 years PRODUCES CO2 so MASSIVE that the world's oceans can no longer absorb it all. So it drifts up into the upper atmosphere and forms a heat reflective layer - that was not present 15 or 20 years ago. Also,the excess CO2 in the ocean has killed coral reefs.

People should look at a graph of temperature increase worldwide for the last 10 or 15 years. There is no SPIKE. Just a gradual increase as world population and therefore CO2 has increased.

I believe that I would bet on A. I. when it comes to the role that CO2 plays in Global Warming.

I agree !!!!!

And look how many people just had to jump in and add to the post stirring with the same old tired arguments...

I think you meant to say "scientists of the most well funded institutions who will lose their funding if they dare stray from the party line"...

Common sense...