The house and senate should lose their health insurance until they come up with and pass a viable plan. It should include no prexeisting conditions and be non-cancelable An icicles change in hell of this happening.

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The house and senate should lose their health insurance until they come up with and pass a viable plan. It should include no prexeisting conditions and be non-cancelable An icicles change in hell of this happening.

A VIABLE plan? Covering preexisting conditions? Non-cancelable?

It'll cost a family of 4 about $6,000 a month.

WHY is health insurance so different than homeowners or car insurance?

If you're careless and like to leave the house with food cooking, you've burned down a few houses already...WHY should your homeowners insurance be the same as people who are more careful? Why should THEY be FORCED to subsidize you?

If you drink and drive, speed, drive recklessly (call it a preexisting condition), WHY should your insurance be the SAME as everyone else's? Why should THEY subsidize you?

Same with health insurance...I already told you an average person living to 66 will use about $1 million in "healthcare costs". That works out to a monthly payment of $1,250 EVERY month...all 800 of them just to equal the $1 million used. A family of four will use $4 million in their lifetime...REQUIRING as a MINIMUM $5,000 a month...EVERY month...just to pay the actual costs...not including administrative costs and profits.

YOU CAN'T COVER EVERYONE at an affordable rate.

You can't cover 50 million poor on the backs of the few workers that are left. You can't subsidize "multi million dollar per year" preexisting conditions. Some people REQUIRE more and therefore should pay more. The obese shouldn't pay the same rate as a fit person. A heavy smoker or drinker shouldn't pay the same rate as someone who looks out for their health.

The ONLY way to make it "viable" is with death panels...for the newly born who won't get lifesaving, for the rest of their life, expensive treatments. And the old who are living on bought time. Many people use over $1 million in healthcare costs their last year of life. Money futilely used to gain a few months of suffering.

Give people the right to die in dignity and you'll save a ton of money. People know when it's their time. Their children are the ones who don't.

Originally Posted by Guest

A VIABLE plan? Covering preexisting conditions? Non-cancelable?

It'll cost a family of 4 about $6,000 a month.

WHY is health insurance so different than homeowners or car insurance?

If you're careless and like to leave the house with food cooking, you've burned down a few houses already...WHY should your homeowners insurance be the same as people who are more careful? Why should THEY be FORCED to subsidize you?

If you drink and drive, speed, drive recklessly (call it a preexisting condition), WHY should your insurance be the SAME as everyone else's? Why should THEY subsidize you?

Same with health insurance...I already told you an average person living to 66 will use about $1 million in "healthcare costs". That works out to a monthly payment of $1,250 EVERY month...all 800 of them just to equal the $1 million used. A family of four will use $4 million in their lifetime...REQUIRING as a MINIMUM $5,000 a month...EVERY month...just to pay the actual costs...not including administrative costs and profits.

YOU CAN'T COVER EVERYONE at an affordable rate.

You can't cover 50 million poor on the backs of the few workers that are left. You can't subsidize "multi million dollar per year" preexisting conditions. Some people REQUIRE more and therefore should pay more. The obese shouldn't pay the same rate as a fit person. A heavy smoker or drinker shouldn't pay the same rate as someone who looks out for their health.

The ONLY way to make it "viable" is with death panels...for the newly born who won't get lifesaving, for the rest of their life, expensive treatments. And the old who are living on bought time. Many people use over $1 million in healthcare costs their last year of life. Money futilely used to gain a few months of suffering.

Give people the right to die in dignity and you'll save a ton of money. People know when it's their time. Their children are the ones who don't.

So your answer is to only allow people who are not sick to get insurance, if they get sick cut them. You better be careful your way of thinking doesn't come around and bite you.

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A VIABLE plan? Covering preexisting conditions? Non-cancelable?

It'll cost a family of 4 about $6,000 a month.

WHY is health insurance so different than homeowners or car insurance?

If you're careless and like to leave the house with food cooking, you've burned down a few houses already...WHY should your homeowners insurance be the same as people who are more careful? Why should THEY be FORCED to subsidize you?

If you drink and drive, speed, drive recklessly (call it a preexisting condition), WHY should your insurance be the SAME as everyone else's? Why should THEY subsidize you?

Same with health insurance...I already told you an average person living to 66 will use about $1 million in "healthcare costs". That works out to a monthly payment of $1,250 EVERY month...all 800 of them just to equal the $1 million used. A family of four will use $4 million in their lifetime...REQUIRING as a MINIMUM $5,000 a month...EVERY month...just to pay the actual costs...not including administrative costs and profits.

YOU CAN'T COVER EVERYONE at an affordable rate.

You can't cover 50 million poor on the backs of the few workers that are left. You can't subsidize "multi million dollar per year" preexisting conditions. Some people REQUIRE more and therefore should pay more. The obese shouldn't pay the same rate as a fit person. A heavy smoker or drinker shouldn't pay the same rate as someone who looks out for their health.

The ONLY way to make it "viable" is with death panels...for the newly born who won't get lifesaving, for the rest of their life, expensive treatments. And the old who are living on bought time. Many people use over $1 million in healthcare costs their last year of life. Money futilely used to gain a few months of suffering.

Give people the right to die in dignity and you'll save a ton of money. People know when it's their time. Their children are the ones who don't.

I want that kind of auto insurance. If you have an ailing car, just use your insurance to make it all better. Preexisting condition, YES!

I can solve this Washington debacle very easily on any subject. Sign me up no questions asked for whatever regulation law, benefit, plan etc. that my senator signed himself up for.

Anything they can come up with is better than Obiecare. Too many folks are dying because of the extreme cost of Obiecare. Deductibles are so high that they are not taking their children to the doctors for treatment because they have to pay the first $4k-13K before the insurance helps them out. Better to get rid of the mandate to begin with, if nothing else. If the Republicans had the time, they should LET Obiecare implode this year like predicted so that America can see how the whole scam was to have it fail so that Hillary could get her single payer socialist system implemented.

Just repeal the monster and worry about replacing it later. We were better off before Obiecare.

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Anything they can come up with is better than Obiecare. Too many folks are dying because of the extreme cost of Obiecare. Deductibles are so high that they are not taking their children to the doctors for treatment because they have to pay the first $4k-13K before the insurance helps them out.

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Better to get rid of the mandate to begin with, if nothing else. If the Republicans had the time, they should LET Obiecare implode this year like predicted so that America can see how the whole scam was to have it fail so that Hillary could get her single payer socialist system implemented.

Just repeal the monster and worry about replacing it later. We were better off before Obiecare.

I don't get it. If people are signing up for Obiecare as you call it and not using it then why aren't the insurance companies tripping over themselves to be the provider instead of opting out ? That sounds like a big profit scenario for the insurance company to me.

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I don't get it. If people are signing up for Obiecare as you call it and not using it then why aren't the insurance companies tripping over themselves to be the provider instead of opting out ? That sounds like a big profit scenario for the insurance company to me.

That's right.

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I don't get it. If people are signing up for Obiecare as you call it and not using it then why aren't the insurance companies tripping over themselves to be the provider instead of opting out ? That sounds like a big profit scenario for the insurance company to me.

Why is it every time I make a post on here to bring common sense to the thread the thread goes dead ? I'm beginning to believe I'm wasting my time and there is something to this trolling thing. So much for intellect.

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So your answer is to only allow people who are not sick to get insurance, if they get sick cut them. You better be careful your way of thinking doesn't come around and bite you.

It HAS to come around and bite me...it HAS to come around and bite everyone.

Did you read what I wrote?

A family of 4 MUST pay $5,000 a month from age 1 to 66 JUST to "pay for" $1 million worth of health care for each of them in their lifetime.

To put it in other words...it takes $1,250 a month every month for 66 years to add up to $1 million. Anything less than that and the insurance company loses money.

People who have healthcare costs of hundreds ot thousands a year, should NOT be insurable. What insurance company should have to pick up someone who is guaranteed to cost you more than they pay in premiums? If their medical bills are $100,000 a year...for life...what insurance company wants to pick them up for a few thousand a month in premiums?

The country WILL go to "death panels" it's inevitable...medical care WILL bankrupt us further if something radical isn't done. You can't just add 50 million people on the backs of the other 50 million.

The question is...IS healthcare a right? Should government provide it?

If the gov wishes to take care of those with pre-existing conditions, that is one thing. But, to insist that a private business provide services that it does not wish to provide is just gov tyranny. Why should health insurance be told what it MUST provide? What if I told a Jewish grocer that he must provide pork in his store? What if I told a garage that it must provide an oil change when someone pays for a tuneup? Maybe all health insurance should be mandated to provide dental and vision care. The gov just wants private industry to fail so that it can take control. And that is the reason the far left wishes Obiecare to fail on it's own without Republican attempting to fix it.

Originally Posted by Guest

Anything they can come up with is better than Obiecare. Too many folks are dying because of the extreme cost of Obiecare. Deductibles are so high that they are not taking their children to the doctors for treatment because they have to pay the first $4k-13K before the insurance helps them out. Better to get rid of the mandate to begin with, if nothing else. If the Republicans had the time, they should LET Obiecare implode this year like predicted so that America can see how the whole scam was to have it fail so that Hillary could get her single payer socialist system implemented.

Just repeal the monster and worry about replacing it later. We were better off before Obiecare.

Just shows you know nothing about Obamacare, just like donny make things up.

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If the gov wishes to take care of those with pre-existing conditions, that is one thing. But, to insist that a private business provide services that it does not wish to provide is just gov tyranny. Why should health insurance be told what it MUST provide? What if I told a Jewish grocer that he must provide pork in his store? What if I told a garage that it must provide an oil change when someone pays for a tuneup? Maybe all health insurance should be mandated to provide dental and vision care. The gov just wants private industry to fail so that it can take control. And that is the reason the far left wishes Obiecare to fail on it's own without Republican attempting to fix it.

What if the government told the auto industry they had to provide safe airbags in their autos before they were sold in the US? Oh, wait........ they do. That dam government wants the us auto industry to fail.

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It HAS to come around and bite me...it HAS to come around and bite everyone.

Did you read what I wrote?

A family of 4 MUST pay $5,000 a month from age 1 to 66 JUST to "pay for" $1 million worth of health care for each of them in their lifetime.

To put it in other words...it takes $1,250 a month every month for 66 years to add up to $1 million. Anything less than that and the insurance company loses money.

People who have healthcare costs of hundreds ot thousands a year, should NOT be insurable. What insurance company should have to pick up someone who is guaranteed to cost you more than they pay in premiums? If their medical bills are $100,000 a year...for life...what insurance company wants to pick them up for a few thousand a month in premiums?

The country WILL go to "death panels" it's inevitable...medical care WILL bankrupt us further if something radical isn't done. You can't just add 50 million people on the backs of the other 50 million.

The question is...IS healthcare a right? Should government provide it?

I have never had a chargable accident where my insurance company had to pay. My premiums pays for people like you who do. That is how insurance works. I have never "griped" that I had to pay for accidents of other people. I will gladly pay more so that some family doesn't lose their loved one because some human says to hell with them.

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Just shows you know nothing about Obamacare, just like donny make things up.

Just shows that you dont' know sh*t. You deny everything but post NO contradictory information. You might as well be a TROLL because you provide nothing toward the discussion. Any child can say "not true."