Being told you need a new starter? Read first

Closed Thread
Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 07-28-2024, 12:37 PM
biker1 biker1 is offline
Sage
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,586
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1,200 Times in 685 Posts
Default

Increase the battery life by how much? I get 5 years on a battery now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tophcfa View Post
What are your thoughts on the way Yamaha wires voltage regulators, where they often are charging the battery well above the recommended voltage of approximately 14.5. I rewired both of our Yamahas using Villagetinker’s wiring diagram and the charging voltage went dow from 16.5 (2014 EFI) and 15.8 (2022 Quiet Tech) to 14.5 on both carts. That should significantly increase battery life on the carts.
  #32  
Old 07-28-2024, 01:12 PM
tophcfa's Avatar
tophcfa tophcfa is offline
Sage
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I happen to be.
Posts: 7,364
Thanks: 3,472
Thanked 10,750 Times in 3,404 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biker1 View Post
Increase the battery life by how much? I get 5 years on a battery now.
It depends on driving habits. Charging at too high a voltage overheats the battery and can cause hydrogen and oxygen gas to form, which can damage the battery and significantly shorten its life. If you typically make short stop and go trips, the damage should be minimal. If you frequently make longer trips, it will definitely shorten the battery life. I had to replace a good quality battery after about two years after taking several long trips in the golf cart. Granted, it could have simply been a faulty battery, but it didn’t seem right. The new battery now charges at around 14.5 volts after the fix and I guess time will tell if charging at the recommended voltage leads to a longer battery life? Either way, I feel better driving a cart that’s not overcharging the battery, and the fix was inexpensive and relatively easy.
  #33  
Old 07-28-2024, 02:02 PM
KennyP KennyP is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 245
Thanks: 11
Thanked 94 Times in 44 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biker1 View Post
Increase the battery life by how much? I get 5 years on a battery now.
This is only when the charge system over charges. Not every cart does it, but when it charges in the high 16 to 17 plus volt range it does shorten the life of the battery. Your getting 5 years out of a battery, your charge system is fine, its only when the system over charges.
  #34  
Old 07-28-2024, 02:07 PM
biker1 biker1 is offline
Sage
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,586
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1,200 Times in 685 Posts
Default

Thanks so much, I appreciate your help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyP View Post
This is only when the charge system over charges. Not every cart does it, but when it charges in the high 16 to 17 plus volt range it does shorten the life of the battery. Your getting 5 years out of a battery, your charge system is fine, its only when the system over charges.
  #35  
Old 07-28-2024, 02:22 PM
Battlebasset Battlebasset is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 469
Thanks: 190
Thanked 612 Times in 224 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlR33 View Post
Guess I should look at an electric cart then for my first cart purchase?

I decided to go that route. Unlike my expectations/need for a car, I never drive a round trip that has ever taken my lithium battery below 50%. Plugs into a 110 outlet, and fully charged overnight. A full charge should take me 50 to 60 miles. Like I would ever want to do that on a golf cart!

That's not saying they are "trouble free". Mine (Evolution) had issues initially with discharging too fast and I ultimately got a new battery (under warranty). But other than that, the only thing I worry about is making sure the tires have enough air.

There are times when gas makes sense (cars, lawn equipment for larger yards) and times when battery makes sense. IMO, golf cart is one of those.
  #36  
Old 07-28-2024, 03:30 PM
fdpaq0580 fdpaq0580 is offline
Sage
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 5,903
Thanks: 355
Thanked 5,021 Times in 2,131 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu from NYC View Post
This is why it is so important to have your things serviced by honest businessman
Always have them take a lie detector test.
  #37  
Old 07-28-2024, 03:32 PM
JMintzer JMintzer is offline
Sage
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Where Eagles Dare to Soar...
Posts: 11,825
Thanks: 484
Thanked 8,908 Times in 4,669 Posts
Default

Aaaand the "Gas vs Electric" debate begins... Again...
  #38  
Old 07-28-2024, 03:48 PM
LeRoySmith LeRoySmith is offline
Veteran member
Join Date: Oct 2023
Location: Lake Denham
Posts: 854
Thanks: 145
Thanked 704 Times in 320 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JMintzer View Post
Aaaand the "Gas vs Electric" debate begins... Again...
It's really not much of a debate at this point, it's obvious electric is better.
__________________
I've got a pool. I've got a pond. Pond's good for you...
  #39  
Old 07-28-2024, 05:06 PM
Battlebasset Battlebasset is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 469
Thanks: 190
Thanked 612 Times in 224 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeRoySmith View Post
It's really not much of a debate at this point, it's obvious electric is better.
For golf carts? Yes.
  #40  
Old 07-28-2024, 05:17 PM
Topspinmo's Avatar
Topspinmo Topspinmo is offline
Sage
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 14,640
Thanks: 7,375
Thanked 5,973 Times in 3,071 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlR33 View Post
Guess I should look at an electric cart then for my first cart purchase?

What ever tickles you fancy.
  #41  
Old 07-28-2024, 05:19 PM
Topspinmo's Avatar
Topspinmo Topspinmo is offline
Sage
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 14,640
Thanks: 7,375
Thanked 5,973 Times in 3,071 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeRoySmith View Post
It's really not much of a debate at this point, it's obvious electric is better.

Know what they say about opinions, are like Everyone got them.
  #42  
Old 07-28-2024, 05:25 PM
Topspinmo's Avatar
Topspinmo Topspinmo is offline
Sage
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 14,640
Thanks: 7,375
Thanked 5,973 Times in 3,071 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
You'll never go back.
Lithium is a COMPLETE game changer.
My carts are super light and nimble.
I have three lithium powered carts out of all three I've had one bad solenoid.
That was my only problem ever so far.
Why would a person need 3 golf carts? Never mind. guy up street in CYV got 2 carts, 3 cars, and work truck most occasions get one in garage.
  #43  
Old 07-28-2024, 07:11 PM
tophcfa's Avatar
tophcfa tophcfa is offline
Sage
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I happen to be.
Posts: 7,364
Thanks: 3,472
Thanked 10,750 Times in 3,404 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyP View Post
Im going to make this post as Im tired of seeing you people ripped off.

This has gone on for many many years, and Its sad that shops stoop to this level.

Im saying this now because this week was able to save 2 more people from being sold a starter they dont need.

So, if you take your golf car in for service and you get told that you need a new starter, chances are good you dont. Youll be told the brushes are between 60 to 80 percent worn. Get a second opinion. Your 2020 cart does not need new brushes, as a matter of fact we are seeing now 2013 and Below year carts coming up for brushes.

Ill say this also, if your being told the repair on your golf car is going to be over 500 bucks, get a second opinion. A simple phone call maybe able to say you hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.
Take the info as you wish.
Thanks for starting this informative thread. Just pulled the starter from our 2014 Yamaha EFI with 1,045 hours on it. Disassembled it and gave it a thorough inspection. The starter was very clean except for some metallic dust (blew it clean with the air compressor) and the bearings were all good. The brushes were worn about 70% of the way to the wear indicator line. I just ordered 4 replacement brushes for $6 each and will rebuild the starter and reinstall it when the new brushes arrive. It was a welcomed project on a rainy day : )
  #44  
Old 07-28-2024, 07:14 PM
villagetinker's Avatar
villagetinker villagetinker is online now
Sage
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Village of Pinellas
Posts: 10,916
Thanks: 3
Thanked 7,959 Times in 2,890 Posts
Default

Overcharging a lead acid battery can cause the following issues:
• Excessive current will flow into the battery, causing decomposition of water in the electrolyte and premature aging.
• At high rates of overcharge, a battery will progressively heat up.
• Shortened lifespan, decreased capacity, and decreased efficiency.
• Corrosion of the positive battery plates.
• Increased water consumption.

Battery Type Charging Voltage (V) Float Voltage (V)
12V Lead-Acid 14.4 – 14.8 13.2 – 13.8
6V Lead-Acid 7.2 – 7.4 6.6 – 6.9
__________________
Pennsylvania, for 60+ years, most recently, Allentown, now TV.
  #45  
Old 07-29-2024, 05:20 AM
thevillagernie thevillagernie is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 178
Thanks: 1
Thanked 59 Times in 48 Posts
Default starter

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyP View Post
Im going to make this post as Im tired of seeing you people ripped off.

This has gone on for many many years, and Its sad that shops stoop to this level.

Im saying this now because this week was able to save 2 more people from being sold a starter they dont need.

So, if you take your golf car in for service and you get told that you need a new starter, chances are good you dont. Youll be told the brushes are between 60 to 80 percent worn. Get a second opinion. Your 2020 cart does not need new brushes, as a matter of fact we are seeing now 2013 and Below year carts coming up for brushes.

Ill say this also, if your being told the repair on your golf car is going to be over 500 bucks, get a second opinion. A simple phone call maybe able to say you hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.
Take the info as you wish.
sometimes they can just clean the armitture and that will work for awhile..
Closed Thread

Tags
told, brushes, starter, opinion, car


You are viewing a new design of the TOTV site. Click here to revert to the old version.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:43 PM.