[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by TomSpasm

When we moved here, we rented a house that came with an electric cart that would go 27mph! I've seen other posters claim electric aren't as fast as gas. Simply untrue. The bad news is I'm also one of the unlucky few who've been caught driving an unregistered electric cart and been forced to make the mandatory court appearance in Bushnell.

Guess they don’t put speedometer on electric carts?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by KennyP

You've changed alot of parts in a short time frame- Id find a new mechanic

Like you, no thanks.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by srswans

Be careful buying used gas if it isn’t a Yamaha QT2 - the older gas carts are quite noxious - never back it in lest you pollute the entire garage and even the house. The people you pass will hate you too.

Yamaha has been making fuel injected engines since 2012 1/2. Agree any carburetors on any cart will smell due to cold starting.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by KennyP

Thats not the carts fault....Thats the courses fault..

It was a outing that began at 8 in the morning. I'm sure they had all the carts charging overnight, so yeah, it was the carts fault. Now if you're saying that their carts were old and needed replacement it would be on the Harbor Hills.

[Freehiker]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

I got mine there as well. I didn’t want to wait 6+ months that TV store was quoting me, plus I saved a few bucks.

[boxcarwilly]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

You're over thinking it. Buy whatever decent used cart you find, use it for a while, then decide. They're cheap to buy and easy to sell.

Over thinking can minimize over spending.

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Was at Harbor Hills and their fully charged cart barely made it back after 18 holes.

I've seen several dead gas carts left out on golf courses over the years. They are not immune to dying for a variety of reasons.

[KennyP]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

It was a outing that began at 8 in the morning. I'm sure they had all the carts charging overnight, so yeah, it was the carts fault. Now if you're saying that their carts were old and needed replacement it would be on the Harbor Hills.

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what im saying is if the course took car of the carts better, that would not happen, so its on the course.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Lithium batteries are expensive to buy then real expensive to replace, which I’ve heard up to $4000 for the higher capacity version, which you will have to replace every 5-8 years. People have posted that the older the batteries get, the mileage range per charge starts to shrink.
Get the newest Yamaha drive2 gas golf cart you can afford. The newer Yamahas have better features, quieter, etc than just a couple of yeas old model. If you buy used, get the 24/7 cart breakdown insurance, and then every year after get it renewed. A new cart usually comes with that kind of insurance, ours did

Beware of advice from those who have never owned an electric cart. New battery replacement is nowhere near $4k. I recently converted my lead acid battery cart to Lithium Iron Phosphate or LiFePO4 batteries for less than $1200. LiFePO4 batteries differ from the more common Lithium Ion Cobalt in that they are safer, can be recharged hundreds of more times, and the power does not drop off as you run your cart. They will need replacement eventually BUT you will save that money spent in replacing them in that electric carts are essentially maintenance free and have so few parts that they rarely (if ever) break down.

Think of all the belts, hoses, and filters on a gas engine. Fuel injectors, spark plugs, exhaust systems to replace. Oil changes and tuneups. I have seen many many gas carts broken down along the trails but have yet to see an electric one waiting on a tow. Then there is having to go to the gas station to refuel or storing smelly gas in the garage. My neighbors cart leaked gas and oil in their garage and you can still smell it a year later (and it stained their floor).

My cart will run all day with juice leftover and all I do at the end of the day is plug it in and its ready to go for the next day. The batteries are so lightweight that my cart picked up 2 mph after replacing the original heavy batteries & the cart is way lighter than a gas cart. I would never buy a smelly, noisy, polluting high-maintenance gas cart in this day and age. Electric carts are the future and you will save a bundle in the long run. The photo below is of my electric 1999 Club Car DS which runs like a new cart (if not better) even at almost 25 years of age!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

I've seen several dead gas carts left out on golf courses over the years. They are not immune to dying for a variety of reasons.

Probably the golfers.

[MorTech]

Only gas cart I would recommend is the Yamaha Quietech.

Many choices for electric but consider the Atlas 210ah cart...90 miles of tranquil range. Serenity with zero maintenance is key!

I built my own 150ah lithium battery pack ($2000) for an older $6000 AC motor cart but I would not recommend building your own without an extensive STEM background.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Beware of advice from those who have never owned an electric cart. New battery replacement is nowhere near $4k. I recently converted my lead acid battery cart to Lithium Iron Phosphate or LiFePO4 batteries for less than $1200. LiFePO4 batteries differ from the more common Lithium Ion Cobalt in that they are safer, can be recharged hundreds of more times, and the power does not drop off as you run your cart. They will need replacement eventually BUT you will save that money spent in replacing them in that electric carts are essentially maintenance free and have so few parts that they rarely (if ever) break down.

Think of all the belts, hoses, and filters on a gas engine. Fuel injectors, spark plugs, exhaust systems to replace. Oil changes and tuneups. I have seen many many gas carts broken down along the trails but have yet to see an electric one waiting on a tow. Then there is having to go to the gas station to refuel or storing smelly gas in the garage. My neighbors cart leaked gas and oil in their garage and you can still smell it a year later (and it stained their floor).

My cart will run all day with juice leftover and all I do at the end of the day is plug it in and its ready to go for the next day. The batteries are so lightweight that my cart picked up 2 mph after replacing the original heavy batteries & the cart is way lighter than a gas cart. I would never buy a smelly, noisy, polluting high-maintenance gas cart in this day and age. Electric carts are the future and you will save a bundle in the long run. The photo below is of my electric 1999 Club Car DS which runs like a new cart (if not better) even at almost 25 years of age!

Dang. That sure sent me googling right quick. Lithium-ion batteries vs lithium-iron-phosphate batteries: which is better? | HERE Not gonna hurt my head by trying to figure out the differences between "power density" and "energy density".

But, if I read that article correctly, it doesn't seem to quite agree with some of your points. But, my understanding of *any* aspect of electromagnetism shall always remain limited.

*Did* note that "ion" and "iron" look really similar, and that LiFe looks a lot like "life". Took me a minute to realize that the "Fe" part refers to iron. :-)

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Only gas cart I would recommend is the Yamaha Quietech.

Many choices for electric but consider the Atlas 210ah cart...90 miles of tranquil range. Serenity with zero maintenance is key!

I built my own 150ah lithium battery pack ($2000) for an older $6000 AC motor cart but I would not recommend building your own without an extensive STEM background.

Thinkin there must be a mighty large range of STEM backgrounds. Bet there's plenty of "extensive" ones that *still* wouldn't allow one to pull off something like that. :-) Impressive - at least to *me*.

[MorTech]

With any STEM background, one would be able to figure it out...Math / Physics / Chemistry are basis of STEM. STEM enables the ability to figure out physical reality.

That article posted above is just plain wrong..Try these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdZL8RF3thI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptLhpK6Cg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1psMHSpKs

LFP chemistry is more stable than tirnary chemistry...especially NCA.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by MorTech

With any STEM background, one would be able to figure it out...Math / Physics / Chemistry are basis of STEM. STEM enables the ability to figure out physical reality.

That article posted above is just plain wrong..Try these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdZL8RF3thI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptLhpK6Cg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1psMHSpKs

LFP chemistry is more stable than tirnary chemistry...especially NCA.

Guess I'd need "any" defined. :-) My STEM background as compared to that of an electrical engineer would be orders of magnitude smaller. My STEM background as compared to the average guy on the street is probably quite a bit greater. Kinda leaves me in a sort of "limbo" zone, I guess.

I nibbled around the edges of your first two listed videos. Looks like "LFP" is the same creature as the aforementioned "LiFe". Had been unaware of the sodium version. Did watch the third video listed to completion. Fascinating stuff, but it still hurts my head too much to competently "figure it out". Could just be laziness, could just be lack of brain power. Although, the "crashing of the wave" analogy definitely helped with what I've previously read about how much actual "movement" of electrons there is within currents.

Guess I'll continue to stick to my "history" of science hobby rather than the real thing. *Did* just learn about how humanity just missed out on possibly avoiding the major portion of the nuclear arms race. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmgFG7PUHfo And, didja know that Ben Franklin came up with the term "battery" based on the arrangement of his batch of Leyden jars? :-)