[Ducatigator]

Originally Posted by Susan1717

Are these electric carts equipped with some thing that shows you how many more miles you can go on a charge? May sound silly but I’m trying to compare to a gas golf cart where you just look at a gauge or in the tank and you know exactly what you have. I love my Yamaha gas cart and just don’t see me ever making a switch. I don’t mind any noise either, but that’s just me as I love the big engine sound of a fast boat or Harley motorcycle.

Hi Susan. They all come with an electric range gauge, similar to gas.

[Joe C.]

Wow !!! All the arguments and disagreements ....... All I can say is "If you like it, buy it. If you don't like it, buy something else.
Different strokes for different folks.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by biker1

The Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world (gas or electric).

Oh yeah, they're killing it in the USA. They have almost 4% of the market and slashing prices ever couple of month to get rid of inventory. Without government incentives, they wouldn't have managed to break 1% of the market.

(& Tesla doesn't have a vehicle in the Top 5 in the USA)

[golfing eagles]

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in.

Why would you need to go 80 miles in a little cart? That’s four hours of driving!

[MX rider]

We have a 2018 Yamaha and love it. But if we were buying new right now, I'd absolutely consider a lithium cart.
Contrary to what some here are saying , range isn't an issue anymore. Plus, the lifespan of lithium is much better and continues to improve.

Btw, as far as the fire argument goes, every cart fire we've seen reported in the 2 plus years we've been here has been a gas cart.

To the naysayers, welcome to 2024. EV's are here and they ain't going away.
For many people, some we know personally they're a great fit. We're actually looking at a Toyota plug in hybrid. We feel it's the best of both worlds for us since we go back and forth to Indiana a few times a year.

[PoolBrews]

Originally Posted by phylt

And BTW we DO NOT Blindly Repeat - that is so demeaning....

I was not demeaning you at all. Unless you physically have driven your cart 90 miles on a single charge then, by definition, you are blindly repeating what you were told by either the manufacturer or the salesman.

I was simply pointing out that range given by ALL manufacturers is a best case scenario under ideal conditions - none of which will ever be met by the consumer. The actual range is always less (and many times far less) than the stated range. I would prefer that folks post the actual range for a given percentage of charge they have obtained with their cart so others looking at the cart can make an educated decision.

When discussing range, you can't use a number that takes the battery down to 0%. Doing that will damage the battery over time. Lithiums are great, but do not like to ever be completely discharged. Most golf carts will have a safety feature built in where the top speed of the golf cart gets limited when a given % is reached. For most carts, this is set at 10%, and when the battery hits this, top speed will be reduced by 50% or more to both extend your range so you get home, and to warn you that you need to plug it in ASAP. Range prediction should always be predicated based on using a maximum of 90% of battery capacity.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Nice try, however, here is what I ACTUALLY posted.

1) to answer the first part: Look at the number of posts BY EV OWNERS stating they get 25,35 and 50 miles/charge. Sorry, I want more. And if you look back 3 whole posts, you find this from an EV owner:

"I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.
I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.
I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.
Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.
The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.
Carts in The Villages Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.
As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.
In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok."

2) I DID NOT call all EV owners "delusional", I posted anyone who thinks the get 90 miles/charge, no battery degradation and a lifetime of over 10 years is delusional.

3) I DID NOT call all EV owners gullible and brainwashed---only anybody who thinks that changing from ICE to EV has anything to do with so-called "global warming" and think they are saving the planet.

4) I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession with post count is all about

Next time please try to get it right.

Please, simply give it a break. Your initial (many) posts, including the harsh "delusional" comment were combative. Now, the attempt to justify indicates the weakness of your argument.

The post count matter appears true for many posters on TOTV. The one-liner responses, and the continual obsessive follow-up.

And NOW the topic of "global warming".... I mentioned before that we are NOT 'Greenies' , actually the OPPOSITE. We simply like new tech, the quiet, the smoothness, the no-smell. period. So DO NOT plug us into a certain group that you may dislike.

My focus on opening this Thread was simply to offer information to Villagers who may be interested in a new Lithium golf cart. We are so very impressed with ours. But did not think that some here, esp 'GE' would strike out with obsessive negative posts (IMO).

Please let it go....

[lawgolfer]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

We purchased a new Custom Drive golf cart from Village Discount Golf Car. We bought at their 466 location just east of Morse Blvd. Their main location is in Summerfield.
Happened to stop there and took one for a test drive. We had a 48v batt cart and tired of range issues, lucky to get 25 miles.
The “C4” cart is amazing. 90 mile range with excellent lithium battery. Way too many features for me to list here. It’s truly like a Tesla.
I will not post the price of the new cart, but it is such a bargain.
Our sales rep was David Bailey, a very nice man- no pressure at all. Lots of colors avail and either black or tan seats.
We’ve had ours for a month now and so very impressed. And their service and prep is wonderful.

Highly recommend to check out the Custom Drive carts there. More info customdrive.com. Here’s a pic from their site.

I offer this information solely to assist others that may be in the market for a great Lithium Electric golf cart. Their # 352 633 4440. Or David at 401 345 7620

Part of the bargain price you paid is that your cart does not have a canvas enclosure for when it rains. I'm certain that Villages Discount has them available. Unless you want to arrive at your destination looking like a cat that was dunked in the swimming pool, you'll need the enclosure.

I'm glad that you are happy with your purchase. I expect that lithium battery carts will dominate the market in the not-too-distant future. People seem to be overly concerned about a cart's "range". In reality, the range of an old lead-acid 48V cart is more than sufficient for all reasonable purposes, provided it is charged every night. There are few people like Serge who drive their cart from Dabney to Spanish Springs and back. That is akin to cruel and unusual punishment in any brand of cart.

The concern about the newness of the manufacturer and the future availability of parts is legitimate. My bigger concern is that, with the exception of the very expensive Tomberlin, I've not found a cart, other than the Yamaha with independent rear suspension, that doesn't ride like an unsprung buckboard (the truth be known, even the Yamaha isn't all that smooth over bumps)

[phylt]

Originally Posted by Ducatigator

Hi Susan. They all come with an electric range gauge, similar to gas.

Here's a pic of our monitor screen on our new Custom Drive...

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by PoolBrews

I was not demeaning you at all. Unless you physically have driven your cart 90 miles on a single charge then, by definition, you are blindly repeating what you were told by either the manufacturer or the salesman.

I was simply pointing out that range given by ALL manufacturers is a best case scenario under ideal conditions - none of which will ever be met by the consumer. The actual range is always less (and many times far less) than the stated range. I would prefer that folks post the actual range for a given percentage of charge they have obtained with their cart so others looking at the cart can make an educated decision.

When discussing range, you can't use a number that takes the battery down to 0%. Doing that will damage the battery over time. Lithiums are great, but do not like to ever be completely discharged. Most golf carts will have a safety feature built in where the top speed of the golf cart gets limited when a given % is reached. For most carts, this is set at 10%, and when the battery hits this, top speed will be reduced by 50% or more to both extend your range so you get home, and to warn you that you need to plug it in ASAP. Range prediction should always be predicated based on using a maximum of 90% of battery capacity.

Agree, this is reality.

We have a 5 yo EZGO RXV with 28,000 mi on the odometer. No perceptible difference in range so far.

The charge meter drops roughly 1/4 for every 15 mi.

I start to get range anxiety when the charge meter drops below 1/4 which is around 45 mi. Never pushed it into limp mode.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

Not really 'GE'. Your past combative comments were like YOU are a cat person. And anyone that loves dogs is on the wrong side. Like... How can you like DOGS? they need walks a couple times per day... they slobber...they shed....they can pee in the house....they need haircuts...they..yada yada yada.

Slam any dog owners or those contemplating getting a dog with your views. Call them Delusional if they consider a dog...

So, NOT like cats vs dogs.... nice try...

[MorTech]

You can easily calculate your watt-hours per mile using a $30 Kill-A-Watt meter from Amazon/Lowes/HD/Ace.
Or maybe this:

https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Brig..._source=1&th=1

If not, then use 120 watt-hours per mile or 2.5ah which is typical.

210ah / 2.5ah per mile = 84 miles of range.

The EZGO RXV Elite is quite efficient at about 85 watt-hours per mile.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by lawgolfer

Part of the bargain price you paid is that your cart does not have a canvas enclosure for when it rains. I'm certain that Villages Discount has them available. Unless you want to arrive at your destination looking like a cat that was dunked in the swimming pool, you'll need the enclosure.

I'm glad that you are happy with your purchase. I expect that lithium battery carts will dominate the market in the not-too-distant future. People seem to be overly concerned about a cart's "range". In reality, the range of an old lead-acid 48V cart is more than sufficient for all reasonable purposes, provided it is charged every night. There are few people like Serge who drive their cart from Dabney to Spanish Springs and back. That is akin to cruel and unusual punishment in any brand of cart.

The concern about the newness of the manufacturer and the future availability of parts is legitimate. My bigger concern is that, with the exception of the very expensive Tomberlin, I've not found a cart, other than the Yamaha with independent rear suspension, that doesn't ride like an unsprung buckboard (the truth be known, even the Yamaha isn't all that smooth over bumps)

So TOTALLY WRONG!!!

Ours came with a custom GREAT Sunbrella - INCLUDED with the new cart. The 466 Sales Center had 5 huge books of available Sunbrella fabrics - just like ordering wallpaper. My wife poured over the books and choose two fabrics - one for the sunbrella body and other for the piping. It took 3 weeks for it to come in. They picked up our new cart, installed at their main office and back to us. The Sunbrella is such great quality - blown away.

The suspension on our Custom Drive is great. Smooth and soaks up the bumps nicely. I looked all around the undercarriage and the apparent quality and sturdiness of the build is fabulous.

[huge-pigeons]

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.