[bragones]

Originally Posted by PoolBrews

Both Star and Atlas are between $5K-$10K more than a comparable Evolution D5. In addition, the D5 has more features than either of them. Do yourself a favor and at least drive all of them and compare before a purchase.

I love my Evolution D5 with a 204 AMP battery. Supposed to get 70 miles but I've never run the battery under 60%, having travelled 30+ miles. It has a backup camera, forward facing rear seats, bluetooth soundbar, digital display dash for battery level and speed, high/low beams, self-cancelling directionals, 14 inch tires, and a great led lighting option if you are into that. So far, no maintenance or issues.

[sowilts]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

70-, 80- and 90-mile range----wait for it to be a few years old and see if that holds

Have an EZGO Elite Lithium. Just went over 5000 miles and battery range remains the same. Use it mostly for going to the store for my wife’s cooking needs and playing golf. Travel 19 miles one way to Nancy Lopez. If someone buys any type of cart and they enjoy it, what does it concern anyone else. Same discussion when someone wants to share a new cart that may be perfect for another. Too many complaints just taking up space on the forum.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.

Yet again, the Know-it-Alls. Our Tesla battery can be charged to 100% as recommended by Tesla. And use all the electrons down to Zero if needed. Exact same with our Custom Drive golf cart. The tech of new lithium batteries is fantastic. And we leave our garage with 100% full tank if we decide to charge overnight. OMG, can’t leave the plugged in? And your comment re Snow bird leaving a cart plugged in? Is that the best you can come up with? And the toxic waste thing is old news. All lithium batteries are recycled and not simply dumped. Please get the facts right.
Oh, and if our cart does need to be charged (even with up to 90 mile range). The AC cord is in the Frunk and simply lug into any 110v outlet.
Jeeeez.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by biker1

Yes, the number of Teslas in The Villages is impressive. There are 4 on my street of about 45 houses. There will soon be 5 as I am waiting for the Model Y refresh to become available. The Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in the world (gas or electric). I am typically not an early adopter of disruptive technologies. Lithium-ion powered golf carts and cars have now moved past the early adopter stage and into the mainstream. While I still like our gas Yamaha golf cart, our electric golf cart is superior in most ways. The only real advantage of our gas cart is the 250+ range vs. 60 mile range of our electric cart but that is essentially irrelevant for us since we never come close to 60 miles in a day. I suspect that new gas cart sales will essentially drop to less than a third within the next 5 years in The Villages.

Depends on which street go down. None on my street. I doubt there are 1000s in villages. Hundreds maybe. Ok 1001 maybe. As for golf carts who cares buy want you want.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

I’ve been using my EZ-GO lithium for 3 years now and have never even used 1/2 the tank of “fuel” (charge) in a single outing. I guess if someone did nothing but drive around all day and never stopped for 10 hours you may need a charge. But even then, probably not. I was originally getting the Yamaha everyone has but gross, the fumes were disgusting and it wasn’t “quiet”

[OhioBuckeye]

I take it you haven’t bought a lithium battery then?

[sowilts]

Originally Posted by Ducatigator

Hi Susan. They all come with an electric range gauge, similar to gas.

Yes, and my EZGO lithium went 60 miles and the Green went to Yellow on the steering column. I stopped riding in circles trying to obtain my favorite colour, red, but gave up and convinced my stubbornness and it would go over 60 miles. I rarely go over 30 miles and i go where i need to go. I have a charger in the garage and it stops when full. The only examples of carts on fire were gas carts. No maintenance and rubber gas lines and a very hot engine don’t seem good to me. I worked in NJ pumping gas and static can also cause gas to ignite. That is why one has to stay out of the vehicle while filling up the tank

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I take it you haven’t bought a lithium battery then?

Who are you referring to?

[biker1]

The 80% recommended charge limit is typically for the NMC chemistry. I believe you will find that most, perhaps all, golf cart battery packs are LFP, which are fine with 100% charging.

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by biker1

The 80% recommended charge limit is typically for the NMC chemistry. I believe you will find that most, perhaps all, golf cart battery packs are LFP, which are fine with 100% charging.

Absolutely correct. It’s so easy to charge and the new tech is infallible. At least to those that know the facts and not simply their hyperbole.

[Aviator1211]

I'm going on 5 years now with my Lithium. Zero degradation. Love my quiet, low maintenance, low operating cost lithium cart. I'll never go back to stinky, noisy, expensive, inconvenient gas.

Gas carts will soon be as difficult to dispose of as a picture tube TV.

[Glowing Horizon]

Originally Posted by phylt

yikes, the nay-sayers here. Just like the anti-Tesla folks.... What facts do you have to state this? And as I said before, we'd be very happy with 50 mile range... Next guy will say..."you'll need to pay $4,000 for a new battery in 4 years", or the so-unproven "It will catch on fire..."

What WE love is the smooth, quiet, and no-smell. BTW we are NOT "green-obsessed", just the opposite actually.

Watch some videos about fire response to lithium ion battery fires. The fires are difficult to extinguish & burn very hot. Can ignite spontaneously even if not charging. Scary stuff.

[biker1]

The Tesla Model Y was best selling car in the world in 2023. It was #2 in the US in 2023 behind the RAV4. For Q1 2024 in the US, it looks like the Model Y was still #2 behind the RAV4. The big three pickup trucks are still the top three vehicles in sales, as they have been for some time. Please provide a reference to prove your assertion about the impact of incentives. By the way, the Government provides a number of incentives for you to do a lot of things, such as buy a house.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Oh yeah, they're killing it in the USA. They have almost 4% of the market and slashing prices ever couple of month to get rid of inventory. Without government incentives, they wouldn't have managed to break 1% of the market.

(& Tesla doesn't have a vehicle in the Top 5 in the USA)

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by phylt

Please, simply give it a break. Your initial (many) posts, including the harsh "delusional" comment were combative. Now, the attempt to justify indicates the weakness of your argument.

The post count matter appears true for many posters on TOTV. The one-liner responses, and the continual obsessive follow-up.

And NOW the topic of "global warming".... I mentioned before that we are NOT 'Greenies' , actually the OPPOSITE. We simply like new tech, the quiet, the smoothness, the no-smell. period. So DO NOT plug us into a certain group that you may dislike.

My focus on opening this Thread was simply to offer information to Villagers who may be interested in a new Lithium golf cart. We are so very impressed with ours. But did not think that some here, esp 'GE' would strike out with obsessive negative posts (IMO).

Please let it go....

Unbelievable. I guess reading comprehension is no longer considered a priority.

I CLEARLY stated that the gullible and brainwashed are those that think EV's will save the planet----and APPLAUDED those that like the quiet and lack of fumes. GEEZ. I, like a poster above, are looking at the RAV 4 plug in hybrid, and like others I will probably buy lithium cart when the range is RELIABLE, does not DEGRADE with age and gets 70-80 miles/charge.

So, I"M NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO "LET IT GO"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by phylt

Not really 'GE'. Your past combative comments were like YOU are a cat person. And anyone that loves dogs is on the wrong side. Like... How can you like DOGS? they need walks a couple times per day... they slobber...they shed....they can pee in the house....they need haircuts...they..yada yada yada.

Slam any dog owners or those contemplating getting a dog with your views. Call them Delusional if they consider a dog...

So, NOT like cats vs dogs.... nice try...

Really??? That's so ridiculous it doesn't get a reply