[MX rider]

Originally Posted by Glowing Horizon

Watch some videos about fire response to lithium ion battery fires. The fires are difficult to extinguish & burn very hot. Can ignite spontaneously even if not charging. Scary stuff.

Can you give me one example of a lithium cart anywhere in TV catching fire? Every cart fire I've seen or read about since we've owned here has been a gas cart! And we own a gas cart.

The fact is lithium battery fires are very rare. Kinda like getting hit by lightening.

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

Ford vs Chevy back in the day.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Really??? That's so ridiculous it doesn't get a reply

YOU——
Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

ME——
My metaphor was in response to your simple “bottom line” thing. My response countered how this was so wrong. You may think it was “ ridiculous”, but does relate to some of your comments.
I think it’s time to give it up. So many frank and honest posts here countering your comments.
Hmm wonder what your post count is now.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

What's that thing in the front? An airbag? No offense, but that is one ugly cart. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Looks like a front bumper to me.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

YOU——
Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

ME——
My metaphor was in response to your simple “bottom line” thing. My response countered how this was so wrong. You may think it was “ ridiculous”, but does relate to some of your comments.
I think it’s time to give it up. So many frank and honest posts here countering your comments.
Hmm wonder what your post count is now.

Still ridiculous, but I guess I'll have to explain it.

Dog people vs cat people: An age-old debate where 2 sides can go round and round forever, and nobody is going to change anyone's mind.

Gas vs electric: A much newer debate where, as this thread proves, 2 sides can go around forever and nobody changes their mind.

Pretty simple, as simple as I can make it. Any questions?

[roob1]

But you did reply WTF! Best to ignore eagles who golf...PITA! Opinion on everything. Must spend all day here responding......

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Really??? That's so ridiculous it doesn't get a reply

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by roob1

But you did reply WTF! Best to ignore eagles who golf...PITA! Opinion on everything. Must spend all day here responding......

Only when not making eagles. And of course, we all know that nobody ever posts their opinion on TOTV. What a rube.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.

Sorry your self made facts are wrong.
1. Lithium batteries are designed to accept a full charge. According to manufacture the recommendation is to charge it after every use. I've done this for over two years and my battery performs like today it was new.
2. You stated in your post to ask a person who owns a lithium powered golf cart. Well I have a lithium powered golf cart, and although the advertise mileage was around 80 miles per charge I'll get 70+ miles after two years. That hasn't changed from the date it was brand new. It is 87% of the advertised value. I would fault the manufacturers claim the values than the actual performance of the battery.
3. I'll leave mine on the charger plugged in until I'm ready to use it. That is the recommendation from the manufacture. There has been times where I've unplugged it because I didn't want to trip over the cord and several days later it still has all of its charge. Plug-in chargers that come with the unit have a trickle charge capability. I do not know of one person and I challenge you to provide one person who has had their lithium battery damaged by charging it.
3. Your statement that if you forget to plug it in you will not have a charge when you need it is laughable. That's like saying if you don't have any money for your green fees because you forgot your wallet and then you couldn't play golf!!! If you didn't put gas in your golf cart you would need to make an emergency run to the gas station to put gas in it. I don't know if you realize gas stations are not on every corner in the villages. The solution for that is… Don't forget! The nice thing about electric if you simply plug it in at night and the next morning you will have a 100% fuel charge.
4. This is probably the most incorrect statement of them all. There are numerous lithium battery recycling companies and several of them are located right here in Florida. Lithium powered batteries are 100% recyclable

[phylt]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Looks like a front bumper to me.

It is, and very protective. We put a license plate on it to minimize the look of a Jimmy Durante nose...

[FredMitchell]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

What facts do the pro EV people have? Even the OP stated they only had 25-mile range on their older electric cart. I also like the idea of quiet/no fumes electric carts, BUT.....they are not ready for prime time in a place as large as TV. When they have a reliable 80-mile range and no degradation for 10 years, I'm in. But anyone claiming that we are at that point now is delusional.

How much is an oil change, including oil filter and air filter? How often? How about the exhaust system? What can an owner of a Yamaha expect to spend per year on maintenance and repairs?

I have had a Star for two plus years now. I usually run it most of the week - daily without charging and have never actually run it below half charge. An 80-90 range, say 5 hours, would not surprise me in my experience. No, I have no interest in driving one for an hour to get some place that is a 15-20 minute car ride, The only repair was replacing the turn signal shutoff - under warranty. The only Yamahas that I drove before moving down here permanently either did not have an auto shutoff or it did not work either.

The noisiest part of the Star experience is the tires on the road, unless I turn up the bluetooth music. No smell. No pad under it against oil leaks. No oil or water levels to check. No driving to gas stations for refueling.

As to your comment, you actually have no reported experience or data to back up your "delusional" name calling. Maybe an apology would be in order.

[huge-pigeons]

From kandiamerica.com:

The Basics of Lithium Golf Cart Battery Maintenance

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging a lithium battery can impact both its performance and longevity. Most lithium batteries include a Battery Management System (BMS) that stops charging once the battery is full. Nonetheless, it’s advisable not to leave the charger connected overnight to avoid potential overcharging​​.

From BigBattery.com

Tips To Properly Charge A Golf Cart With Lithium Batteries

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging is a serious problem for batteries. Forcing an overcharge often dramatically reduces your battery’s lifespan, and extensive overcharging may result in your battery struggling to hold a charge for as long as it used to, let alone other potential long-term damage internally.

Common theme here about the lithium battery charging guidelines.

Sure you can charge your Tesla to 100% in your garage, that’s not what was stated.

Tesla Battery Charging Best Practices

Keep your Tesla within the 'Daily' range bracket, around 90%, for balanced performance. Reserve charging to 100% for longer trips to extend range, but avoid frequent full charges.

Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle's battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.

From Tesla.com:

Charging Best Practices

Avoid allowing the Battery to get too low (the Battery icon turns yellow when the capacity remaining in the Battery drops to 20% or below).

But hey, who cares what Tesla recommends, I’m going to use my full charge to get the whole 300 miles.

Again using simple math, if Tesla doesn’t recommend charging over 80% and doesn’t want the battery to drop off below 20%, which is 40% of a full charge, that advertised 300 mile range drops off to 180 mile range. Ask any Tesla owner, I have and they are fully aware of these recommendations.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Still ridiculous, but I guess I'll have to explain it.

Dog people vs cat people: An age-old debate where 2 sides can go round and round forever, and nobody is going to change anyone's mind.

Gas vs electric: A much newer debate where, as this thread proves, 2 sides can go around forever and nobody changes their mind.

Pretty simple, as simple as I can make it. Any questions?

Yes, your postings were FUD (fear/uncertainty/doubt) re LITHIUM. Not ready for prime time, the hazards, the incorrect range etc etc, Yeah pretty simple.

So many posts here have rebutted your arguments, but STILL....

Yes we can have Opinions, but to disparage others - even with FACTS has gotten very old. Give it up.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Only when not making eagles. And of course, we all know that nobody ever posts their opinion on TOTV. What a rube.

...and again the name-calling. Just another indication of pompous rudeness.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

From kandiamerica.com:

The Basics of Lithium Golf Cart Battery Maintenance

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging a lithium battery can impact both its performance and longevity. Most lithium batteries include a Battery Management System (BMS) that stops charging once the battery is full. Nonetheless, it’s advisable not to leave the charger connected overnight to avoid potential overcharging​​.

From BigBattery.com

Tips To Properly Charge A Golf Cart With Lithium Batteries

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging is a serious problem for batteries. Forcing an overcharge often dramatically reduces your battery’s lifespan, and extensive overcharging may result in your battery struggling to hold a charge for as long as it used to, let alone other potential long-term damage internally.

Common theme here about the lithium battery charging guidelines.

Sure you can charge your Tesla to 100% in your garage, that’s not what was stated.

Tesla Battery Charging Best Practices

Keep your Tesla within the 'Daily' range bracket, around 90%, for balanced performance. Reserve charging to 100% for longer trips to extend range, but avoid frequent full charges.

Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle's battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.

From Tesla.com:

Charging Best Practices

Avoid allowing the Battery to get too low (the Battery icon turns yellow when the capacity remaining in the Battery drops to 20% or below).

But hey, who cares what Tesla recommends, I’m going to use my full charge to get the whole 300 miles.

Again using simple math, if Tesla doesn’t recommend charging over 80% and doesn’t want the battery to drop off below 20%, which is 40% of a full charge, that advertised 300 mile range drops off to 180 mile range. Ask any Tesla owner, I have and they are fully aware of these recommendations.

Question?
Do you own a EV? Either a lithium powered golf cart, or an EV automobile?????
FYI.... the OP is about golf carts....not Teslas

[phylt]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

From kandiamerica.com:

The Basics of Lithium Golf Cart Battery Maintenance

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging a lithium battery can impact both its performance and longevity. Most lithium batteries include a Battery Management System (BMS) that stops charging once the battery is full. Nonetheless, it’s advisable not to leave the charger connected overnight to avoid potential overcharging​​.

From BigBattery.com

Tips To Properly Charge A Golf Cart With Lithium Batteries

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging is a serious problem for batteries. Forcing an overcharge often dramatically reduces your battery’s lifespan, and extensive overcharging may result in your battery struggling to hold a charge for as long as it used to, let alone other potential long-term damage internally.

Common theme here about the lithium battery charging guidelines.

Sure you can charge your Tesla to 100% in your garage, that’s not what was stated.

Tesla Battery Charging Best Practices

Keep your Tesla within the 'Daily' range bracket, around 90%, for balanced performance. Reserve charging to 100% for longer trips to extend range, but avoid frequent full charges.

Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle's battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.

From Tesla.com:

Charging Best Practices

Avoid allowing the Battery to get too low (the Battery icon turns yellow when the capacity remaining in the Battery drops to 20% or below).

But hey, who cares what Tesla recommends, I’m going to use my full charge to get the whole 300 miles.

Again using simple math, if Tesla doesn’t recommend charging over 80% and doesn’t want the battery to drop off below 20%, which is 40% of a full charge, that advertised 300 mile range drops off to 180 mile range. Ask any Tesla owner, I have and they are fully aware of these recommendations.

All true - BUT LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate)batteries on EVs, like our Tesla, CAN, and SHOULD be charged to 100%. Tesla states to Charger to 100% at least once per week to maintain battery health - this is for LFP primarily. The reason to charge an LFP battery to 100% once a week is to recalibrate the Battery Management System and to balance the charge across all the cells. The voltage of an LFP cell varies very little between 90% and 100%, so the BMS needs an occasional 100% charge to recalibrate.

SAME for our Custom Drive Lithium Cart. Simply plug it in and forget it. The battery management system does it all.