Nice try, however, here is what I ACTUALLY posted.

1) to answer the first part: Look at the number of posts BY EV OWNERS stating they get 25,35 and 50 miles/charge. Sorry, I want more. And if you look back 3 whole posts, you find this from an EV owner:

"I keep hearing this 80-90 mile range for Lithium Golf Carts ... nonsense.
I have a Star EV, 210 Amp.
I had a Star EV 120 Amp as a loaner for a week.
Your battery gauge is non-linear folks. Just because you get 35 miles and your gauge says 50%, don't count on it.
The 120 Amp I had, showed 1/2 charge at 18 miles. It really had about 3 miles left or 1 mile less than I needed.
Carts in The Villages Villages are driven "pedal to the metal", almost all the time. If you don't believe that, go drive around in your cart at 17 mph and see if anyone stays behind you for more than 2 minutes.
As others have said, the general degradation of Lithium depends on a lot of factors and they don't seem enough have been in use, long enough to actually quantify what's really going to happen.
In the meantime, I wouldn't gamble on that 80-90 mile range. If I get 45-50 out my 210 AMP, I figure I'm doing ok."

2) I DID NOT call all EV owners "delusional", I posted anyone who thinks the get 90 miles/charge, no battery degradation and a lifetime of over 10 years is delusional.

3) I DID NOT call all EV owners gullible and brainwashed---only anybody who thinks that changing from ICE to EV has anything to do with so-called "global warming" and think they are saving the planet.

4) I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession with post count is all about

Next time please try to get it right.

Same here. We really like the lithium battery. My husband replaced our standard cell batteries with a lithium.

Are these electric carts equipped with some thing that shows you how many more miles you can go on a charge? May sound silly but I’m trying to compare to a gas golf cart where you just look at a gauge or in the tank and you know exactly what you have. I love my Yamaha gas cart and just don’t see me ever making a switch. I don’t mind any noise either, but that’s just me as I love the big engine sound of a fast boat or Harley motorcycle.

Congratulations! Love it. Village Discount is an awesome place. I bought my Tomberlin there. Chris is my guy. They have several locations. He is in the Lady Lake location near Aldis. Their service is excellent. Super responsive. I bought my Tomberlin there and my friend bought an Atlas. The Custom drives are packed with features. They are coming out with the 4 forward this summer. We have one on pre-order. You can not get another cart with more features for the money. I tried getting an Evolution TWICE but it is super hard to get the 210 battery. They come standard with a 105 and easier to upgrade to their 160.

Gas/electric is a personal preference. I personally like electric because I like the smooth, quiet ride, and no smell. Also, no annual maintenance necessary except maybe tires and lubing the brakes, which is true of gas or electric. The torque going up the hills is crazy good. No lag like gas. So, I have friends theat have the Evolution D5 and a Yamaha gas. Both 4 forward. They like the Yamaha more only because they have more comfortable seats, not because of engine or range.

Now, before anyone claims they "know" electric doesn't have range, here is the truth from someone that actually drives his cart all day and puts lots of miles on.

As I mentioned, I have a Tomberlin Emerge 2+2. Comes standard with a 210 battery. That is the key! 210 is a must have. I live in south, south Dabney. Like 370 south. The end. Lol. I can go from here to the Polo Club, play a round of golf, get to Sumpter for drinks, and back home and still have over 30% left. Oh, by the way, that is going full speed with 4 adults in the cart. Furthermore, I bought it in March and have over 2000 miles on it. So, in the end, if you have a 210 battery, you can get ALL over the Villages and not worry.

So if you want to explore lithium carts, here are the ones that offer it.

Tomberlin Emerge/Engage
Custom Drive c2/c4
Bintelli Beyond
Evolution D5 , if you can get one. Back ordered until the fall. (The 210 battery)

If you get a 160 lithium you may run in a bit of trouble if you go from one end (Dabney to Spanish Springs) and back, fully loaded and top speed. Might limp home.

But for most Villagers, they don't do more than 40 round trip.

And you know they say a Village home is about having 1 car, 2 carts. I recommend to split the difference. 1 gas, 1 lithium. Then you have the best of both worlds.

Regardless, I always end with, we live in absolute Paradise. This place is amazing. Get whatever cart you want, and just smile and enjoy we you live and play every day.

Everyone have a blessed Sunday. Thank you Tvflguy for the post. Good recommendation. I like the Custom Drive and the team at Village Discount. Enjoy it in good health.

Be safe
Thanks
Serge

The electric carts have the same sort of thing for showing remaining miles that your gas Yamaha has... or at least some gas Yamahas have. My gas Yamaha does not have a gas gauge in the dash and the one in the tank hasn't worked for years.

Gas cart: Keep the tank more than half full and you won't run out of fuel
Lithium cart: Plug it in every night and the vast majority of us won't run out of fuel
Lead acid: No experience, no idea

Hi Susan. They all come with an electric range gauge, similar to gas.

Wow !!! All the arguments and disagreements ....... All I can say is "If you like it, buy it. If you don't like it, buy something else.
Different strokes for different folks.

Oh yeah, they're killing it in the USA. They have almost 4% of the market and slashing prices ever couple of month to get rid of inventory. Without government incentives, they wouldn't have managed to break 1% of the market.

(& Tesla doesn't have a vehicle in the Top 5 in the USA)

Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

Why would you need to go 80 miles in a little cart? That’s four hours of driving!

We have a 2018 Yamaha and love it. But if we were buying new right now, I'd absolutely consider a lithium cart.
Contrary to what some here are saying , range isn't an issue anymore. Plus, the lifespan of lithium is much better and continues to improve.

Btw, as far as the fire argument goes, every cart fire we've seen reported in the 2 plus years we've been here has been a gas cart.

To the naysayers, welcome to 2024. EV's are here and they ain't going away.
For many people, some we know personally they're a great fit. We're actually looking at a Toyota plug in hybrid. We feel it's the best of both worlds for us since we go back and forth to Indiana a few times a year.

I was not demeaning you at all. Unless you physically have driven your cart 90 miles on a single charge then, by definition, you are blindly repeating what you were told by either the manufacturer or the salesman.

I was simply pointing out that range given by ALL manufacturers is a best case scenario under ideal conditions - none of which will ever be met by the consumer. The actual range is always less (and many times far less) than the stated range. I would prefer that folks post the actual range for a given percentage of charge they have obtained with their cart so others looking at the cart can make an educated decision.

When discussing range, you can't use a number that takes the battery down to 0%. Doing that will damage the battery over time. Lithiums are great, but do not like to ever be completely discharged. Most golf carts will have a safety feature built in where the top speed of the golf cart gets limited when a given % is reached. For most carts, this is set at 10%, and when the battery hits this, top speed will be reduced by 50% or more to both extend your range so you get home, and to warn you that you need to plug it in ASAP. Range prediction should always be predicated based on using a maximum of 90% of battery capacity.

Please, simply give it a break. Your initial (many) posts, including the harsh "delusional" comment were combative. Now, the attempt to justify indicates the weakness of your argument.

The post count matter appears true for many posters on TOTV. The one-liner responses, and the continual obsessive follow-up.

And NOW the topic of "global warming".... I mentioned before that we are NOT 'Greenies' , actually the OPPOSITE. We simply like new tech, the quiet, the smoothness, the no-smell. period. So DO NOT plug us into a certain group that you may dislike.

My focus on opening this Thread was simply to offer information to Villagers who may be interested in a new Lithium golf cart. We are so very impressed with ours. But did not think that some here, esp 'GE' would strike out with obsessive negative posts (IMO).

Please let it go....

No Sunbrella
 

Part of the bargain price you paid is that your cart does not have a canvas enclosure for when it rains. I'm certain that Villages Discount has them available. Unless you want to arrive at your destination looking like a cat that was dunked in the swimming pool, you'll need the enclosure.

I'm glad that you are happy with your purchase. I expect that lithium battery carts will dominate the market in the not-too-distant future. People seem to be overly concerned about a cart's "range". In reality, the range of an old lead-acid 48V cart is more than sufficient for all reasonable purposes, provided it is charged every night. There are few people like Serge who drive their cart from Dabney to Spanish Springs and back. That is akin to cruel and unusual punishment in any brand of cart.

The concern about the newness of the manufacturer and the future availability of parts is legitimate. My bigger concern is that, with the exception of the very expensive Tomberlin, I've not found a cart, other than the Yamaha with independent rear suspension, that doesn't ride like an unsprung buckboard (the truth be known, even the Yamaha isn't all that smooth over bumps)

Here's a pic of our monitor screen on our new Custom Drive...

Agree, this is reality.

We have a 5 yo EZGO RXV with 28,000 mi on the odometer. No perceptible difference in range so far.

The charge meter drops roughly 1/4 for every 15 mi.

I start to get range anxiety when the charge meter drops below 1/4 which is around 45 mi. Never pushed it into limp mode.

Not really 'GE'. Your past combative comments were like YOU are a cat person. And anyone that loves dogs is on the wrong side. Like... How can you like DOGS? they need walks a couple times per day... they slobber...they shed....they can pee in the house....they need haircuts...they..yada yada yada.

Slam any dog owners or those contemplating getting a dog with your views. Call them Delusional if they consider a dog...

So, NOT like cats vs dogs.... nice try...

You can easily calculate your watt-hours per mile using a $30 Kill-A-Watt meter from Amazon/Lowes/HD/Ace.
Or maybe this:

https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Brig..._source=1&th=1

If not, then use 120 watt-hours per mile or 2.5ah which is typical.

210ah / 2.5ah per mile = 84 miles of range.

The EZGO RXV Elite is quite efficient at about 85 watt-hours per mile.

So TOTALLY WRONG!!!

Ours came with a custom GREAT Sunbrella - INCLUDED with the new cart. The 466 Sales Center had 5 huge books of available Sunbrella fabrics - just like ordering wallpaper. My wife poured over the books and choose two fabrics - one for the sunbrella body and other for the piping. It took 3 weeks for it to come in. They picked up our new cart, installed at their main office and back to us. The Sunbrella is such great quality - blown away.

The suspension on our Custom Drive is great. Smooth and soaks up the bumps nicely. I looked all around the undercarriage and the apparent quality and sturdiness of the build is fabulous.

You want facts about EVs and lithium golf carts:
Both have the desired range of battery capacity: don’t go less than 20% of battery capacity or you can damage them, and don’t go over 80% and eventually you can do the same. So realistically, if your lithium golf cart claims 90 mile range, realistically it is 60% of that. You want proof, as any Tesla or EV owner and google it for lithium golf carts.

Also, you can damage lithium batteries if you run the battery down and you can’t leave them on the charger for a long length of time (ask any owner), so if you are a snowbird with a lithium cart, what are you going to do?

If you forget to charge your cart overnight and you are on the golf course with 10% battery life left, you don’t have the luxury of going to a gas station and fill up.

You do know, lithium batteries are classified as toxic and require special land sites to discard, similar to nuclear waste.

I love my Evolution D5 with a 204 AMP battery. Supposed to get 70 miles but I've never run the battery under 60%, having travelled 30+ miles. It has a backup camera, forward facing rear seats, bluetooth soundbar, digital display dash for battery level and speed, high/low beams, self-cancelling directionals, 14 inch tires, and a great led lighting option if you are into that. So far, no maintenance or issues.

Have an EZGO Elite Lithium. Just went over 5000 miles and battery range remains the same. Use it mostly for going to the store for my wife’s cooking needs and playing golf. Travel 19 miles one way to Nancy Lopez. If someone buys any type of cart and they enjoy it, what does it concern anyone else. Same discussion when someone wants to share a new cart that may be perfect for another. Too many complaints just taking up space on the forum.

Yet again, the Know-it-Alls. Our Tesla battery can be charged to 100% as recommended by Tesla. And use all the electrons down to Zero if needed. Exact same with our Custom Drive golf cart. The tech of new lithium batteries is fantastic. And we leave our garage with 100% full tank if we decide to charge overnight. OMG, can’t leave the plugged in? And your comment re Snow bird leaving a cart plugged in? Is that the best you can come up with? And the toxic waste thing is old news. All lithium batteries are recycled and not simply dumped. Please get the facts right.
Oh, and if our cart does need to be charged (even with up to 90 mile range). The AC cord is in the Frunk and simply lug into any 110v outlet.
Jeeeez.

Depends on which street go down. None on my street. I doubt there are 1000s in villages. Hundreds maybe. Ok 1001 maybe. As for golf carts who cares buy want you want.

I’ve been using my EZ-GO lithium for 3 years now and have never even used 1/2 the tank of “fuel” (charge) in a single outing. I guess if someone did nothing but drive around all day and never stopped for 10 hours you may need a charge. But even then, probably not. I was originally getting the Yamaha everyone has but gross, the fumes were disgusting and it wasn’t “quiet”

I take it you haven’t bought a lithium battery then?

Yes, and my EZGO lithium went 60 miles and the Green went to Yellow on the steering column. I stopped riding in circles trying to obtain my favorite colour, red, but gave up and convinced my stubbornness and it would go over 60 miles. I rarely go over 30 miles and i go where i need to go. I have a charger in the garage and it stops when full. The only examples of carts on fire were gas carts. No maintenance and rubber gas lines and a very hot engine don’t seem good to me. I worked in NJ pumping gas and static can also cause gas to ignite. That is why one has to stay out of the vehicle while filling up the tank

Who are you referring to?

The 80% recommended charge limit is typically for the NMC chemistry. I believe you will find that most, perhaps all, golf cart battery packs are LFP, which are fine with 100% charging.

Absolutely correct. It’s so easy to charge and the new tech is infallible. At least to those that know the facts and not simply their hyperbole.

I'm going on 5 years now with my Lithium. Zero degradation. Love my quiet, low maintenance, low operating cost lithium cart. I'll never go back to stinky, noisy, expensive, inconvenient gas.

Gas carts will soon be as difficult to dispose of as a picture tube TV.

Watch some videos about fire response to lithium ion battery fires. The fires are difficult to extinguish & burn very hot. Can ignite spontaneously even if not charging. Scary stuff.

The Tesla Model Y was best selling car in the world in 2023. It was #2 in the US in 2023 behind the RAV4. For Q1 2024 in the US, it looks like the Model Y was still #2 behind the RAV4. The big three pickup trucks are still the top three vehicles in sales, as they have been for some time. Please provide a reference to prove your assertion about the impact of incentives. By the way, the Government provides a number of incentives for you to do a lot of things, such as buy a house.

Unbelievable. I guess reading comprehension is no longer considered a priority.

I CLEARLY stated that the gullible and brainwashed are those that think EV's will save the planet----and APPLAUDED those that like the quiet and lack of fumes. GEEZ. I, like a poster above, are looking at the RAV 4 plug in hybrid, and like others I will probably buy lithium cart when the range is RELIABLE, does not DEGRADE with age and gets 70-80 miles/charge.

So, I"M NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO "LET IT GO"

Really??? That's so ridiculous it doesn't get a reply

Can you give me one example of a lithium cart anywhere in TV catching fire? Every cart fire I've seen or read about since we've owned here has been a gas cart! And we own a gas cart.

The fact is lithium battery fires are very rare. Kinda like getting hit by lightening.

Ford vs Chevy back in the day.:laugh:

YOU——
Bottom line:
Gas vs electric debate is like dog vs cat people 😂

ME——
My metaphor was in response to your simple “bottom line” thing. My response countered how this was so wrong. You may think it was “ ridiculous”, but does relate to some of your comments.
I think it’s time to give it up. So many frank and honest posts here countering your comments.
Hmm wonder what your post count is now.

Looks like a front bumper to me.

Still ridiculous, but I guess I'll have to explain it.

Dog people vs cat people: An age-old debate where 2 sides can go round and round forever, and nobody is going to change anyone's mind.

Gas vs electric: A much newer debate where, as this thread proves, 2 sides can go around forever and nobody changes their mind.

Pretty simple, as simple as I can make it. Any questions?