But you did reply WTF! Best to ignore eagles who golf...PITA! Opinion on everything. Must spend all day here responding......

Only when not making eagles. And of course, we all know that nobody ever posts their opinion on TOTV. What a rube. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Sorry your self made facts are wrong.
1. Lithium batteries are designed to accept a full charge. According to manufacture the recommendation is to charge it after every use. I've done this for over two years and my battery performs like today it was new.
2. You stated in your post to ask a person who owns a lithium powered golf cart. Well I have a lithium powered golf cart, and although the advertise mileage was around 80 miles per charge I'll get 70+ miles after two years. That hasn't changed from the date it was brand new. It is 87% of the advertised value. I would fault the manufacturers claim the values than the actual performance of the battery.
3. I'll leave mine on the charger plugged in until I'm ready to use it. That is the recommendation from the manufacture. There has been times where I've unplugged it because I didn't want to trip over the cord and several days later it still has all of its charge. Plug-in chargers that come with the unit have a trickle charge capability. I do not know of one person and I challenge you to provide one person who has had their lithium battery damaged by charging it.
3. Your statement that if you forget to plug it in you will not have a charge when you need it is laughable. That's like saying if you don't have any money for your green fees because you forgot your wallet and then you couldn't play golf!!! If you didn't put gas in your golf cart you would need to make an emergency run to the gas station to put gas in it. I don't know if you realize gas stations are not on every corner in the villages. The solution for that is… Don't forget! The nice thing about electric if you simply plug it in at night and the next morning you will have a 100% fuel charge.
4. This is probably the most incorrect statement of them all. There are numerous lithium battery recycling companies and several of them are located right here in Florida. Lithium powered batteries are 100% recyclable

It is, and very protective. We put a license plate on it to minimize the look of a Jimmy Durante nose...

How much is an oil change, including oil filter and air filter? How often? How about the exhaust system? What can an owner of a Yamaha expect to spend per year on maintenance and repairs?

I have had a Star for two plus years now. I usually run it most of the week - daily without charging and have never actually run it below half charge. An 80-90 range, say 5 hours, would not surprise me in my experience. No, I have no interest in driving one for an hour to get some place that is a 15-20 minute car ride, The only repair was replacing the turn signal shutoff - under warranty. The only Yamahas that I drove before moving down here permanently either did not have an auto shutoff or it did not work either.

The noisiest part of the Star experience is the tires on the road, unless I turn up the bluetooth music. No smell. No pad under it against oil leaks. No oil or water levels to check. No driving to gas stations for refueling.

As to your comment, you actually have no reported experience or data to back up your "delusional" name calling. Maybe an apology would be in order.

From kandiamerica.com:

The Basics of Lithium Golf Cart Battery Maintenance

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging a lithium battery can impact both its performance and longevity. Most lithium batteries include a Battery Management System (BMS) that stops charging once the battery is full. Nonetheless, it’s advisable not to leave the charger connected overnight to avoid potential overcharging​​.

From BigBattery.com

Tips To Properly Charge A Golf Cart With Lithium Batteries

Avoid Overcharging

Overcharging is a serious problem for batteries. Forcing an overcharge often dramatically reduces your battery’s lifespan, and extensive overcharging may result in your battery struggling to hold a charge for as long as it used to, let alone other potential long-term damage internally.

Common theme here about the lithium battery charging guidelines.

Sure you can charge your Tesla to 100% in your garage, that’s not what was stated.

Tesla Battery Charging Best Practices

Keep your Tesla within the 'Daily' range bracket, around 90%, for balanced performance. Reserve charging to 100% for longer trips to extend range, but avoid frequent full charges.

Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle's battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.

From Tesla.com:

Charging Best Practices

Avoid allowing the Battery to get too low (the Battery icon turns yellow when the capacity remaining in the Battery drops to 20% or below).

But hey, who cares what Tesla recommends, I’m going to use my full charge to get the whole 300 miles.

Again using simple math, if Tesla doesn’t recommend charging over 80% and doesn’t want the battery to drop off below 20%, which is 40% of a full charge, that advertised 300 mile range drops off to 180 mile range. Ask any Tesla owner, I have and they are fully aware of these recommendations.

Yes, your postings were FUD (fear/uncertainty/doubt) re LITHIUM. Not ready for prime time, the hazards, the incorrect range etc etc, Yeah pretty simple.

So many posts here have rebutted your arguments, but STILL....

Yes we can have Opinions, but to disparage others - even with FACTS has gotten very old. Give it up.

...and again the name-calling. Just another indication of pompous rudeness.

Question?
Do you own a EV? Either a lithium powered golf cart, or an EV automobile?????
FYI.... the OP is about golf carts....not Teslas

All true - BUT LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate)batteries on EVs, like our Tesla, CAN, and SHOULD be charged to 100%. Tesla states to Charger to 100% at least once per week to maintain battery health - this is for LFP primarily. The reason to charge an LFP battery to 100% once a week is to recalibrate the Battery Management System and to balance the charge across all the cells. The voltage of an LFP cell varies very little between 90% and 100%, so the BMS needs an occasional 100% charge to recalibrate.

SAME for our Custom Drive Lithium Cart. Simply plug it in and forget it. The battery management system does it all.

Shame on you for bringing actual real world experience and facts to the discussion!
Don't you know we have some regulars on here that are too smart for that bs. lol

Bottom line, with almost all the newer ev's you just plug them in and forget it. As you said, the charging system manages it. Just like a big Battery tender, they've been around forever.

Amazing how easy it is to get the electric cart owners all riled up. The logical conclusion is that are insecure about their choice. Or as Shakespear put it "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". Anyway, my work here is done, maybe I'll move on to "cat people"

Are you saying that any positive reviews require an ulterior motive? I saw no quid pro quo in those statements. Sad to be so negative all the time...

I think it’s human nature to defend one’s honest personal feelings and opinions. Especially defend against those that may simply desire stir things up using FUD, insults, and false data. Insecure???? Do you know us or simply another striking out?
And that we are insecure with our choice?

Riled up? Well when some people, behind their keyboards, happily fling insults and lies….
Simply defending ourselves with facts.

Your “work” here hopefully IS done. Yep a true Piece of Work….
On a positive note for you, your post count went up by, what? 15?

Goodbye. But I truly doubt that will be it…

To me,the most important advantage of an E-cart or vehicle over a reciprocating gas or diesel vehicle is greater reliability due to fewer parts and a circular moving motor (not slamming up and down with pistons). I can think of many more advantages, but that would be #1 with me.

#2) Lower center of gravity, which means greater acceleration, deceleration (braking), and cornering.
.......#3 ) Quieter and no smelly exhaust or wasted time in gas station lines.

#4 ) High instant torque electrical motor accelerates quicker and smoother. Both motor and batteries are mounted way lower than possible with a reciprocating engine.
.......#5 Zero pollution at the vehicle. And at the electrical generation plant it is stationary so it can have HUGE smoke and exhaust scrubbers on smokestack.

#6) In the future there will be charges everywhere just like gas stations are now. And BATTERY TECHNOLOGY will NOT stand still (science never stops). Batteries in the future will be lighter, smaller, and hold MORE charge.

Actually for our new Custom Drive cart, chargers ARE everywhere. It has a great on-board charging system with an AC 110v cable which we keep in the front trunk (Frunk). So in the event I ever run out of juice (totally unlikely). I’d look for an outlet.

In a few years, you could stop for lunch and charge your cart in the SAME time period. Then you have another 60 to 80 miles available. Today if you normally went 50 miles and got worried, you could keep a small Honda gas generator with you as a back-up. I think the MANY POSITIVE ADVANTAGES of an E-vehicle greatly outweighs any disadvantages. 50 miles per day is plenty for most people.

Sorry to burst your bubble with facts but diesel engines have extraordinary durability. Diesels in semi trucks can go 1.5 million miles. Diesels in container ships can run for 20 years and that is mostly running 24/7. Gas engines in cars can go 400 thousand miles. At that point the car may very well be recycled since it is essentially used up. Google is your friend.

TV Land is indeed very big and if I were driving every day from the North end to the South end, I would take a car or truck, not a golf cart. In fact, I have found that even 7 miles one way in a gas golf cart was tiring. The constant bumps and vibration was tiring. I preferred to take a trip of 7 miles one way in an automobile for greater comfort. That actually happened!

Somehow, I can relate to that!

Your post count (and everyone's) is in the upper right corner of your post. Your's is 12,435 as of page 2 on this subject.

I think that it is humorous that people are making degrading remarks about an individual going max 17 MPH in their golf cart. That is the speed limit and to exceed it is to over-stress the engine and chassis. Especially when people are drinking, the Police SHOULD control the not-so-better-angels driving around TV Land. Bikers say loud mufflers save lives, which is NOT true. I would say, HOWEVER, that speed limits save lives. Are Villagers lives less important than other peoples lives?

Anyone driving a car with a 300,000 mile engine, raise your hand.

OK, now drivers with 400,000 miles on their engine?

Anyone driving a Diesel golf cart, raise your other hand?

I have a 13 year old Hybrid car and have seen zero battery degradation. I know several Tesla owners with 7 or more years and zero drop in range.

Yes, and some people have both.

My dad (Audi) and brother (BMW) both went over 300k miles and I have a friend (Acura) with over 300k miles, probably approaching 400k if he still has it. There aren’t any diesel golf carts. Do you have a reading comprehension problem as I referenced semis and container ships? Perhaps you should reread the post.

I have NEVER seen people "staying out of the car" while filling the gas tank in Florida ?

No sir. I recognize nonsense, as soon as I read it. Don't have to read it a second time.

So you think nobody has gone over 300k miles? Is that what you are saying? Well, you are wrong and you are the one who is spouting nonsense, just like you did earlier in the day. Have a good evening and find someone else to spout off to.

Thanks. That makes sense. Maybe I was confusing E-cars and E-carts ?

I am aware of what you are saying about diesel engines. They can have a long life. But, the engines in long haul trucks are built of high quality materials and are designed for long life. And they have relatively low RPMs. Ship engines would be even lower RPMs. Remember the 1st "throw-away" chevy diesel. The gasoline type pistons could not handle the diesel compression stress. If a diesel reciprocating engine with certain quality of parts were to be compared to an Electric vehicle circular rotating motor with the same quality of parts......I believe that the electric vehicle would last longer. So, in this case I believe that BOTH opinions can be true.

I had a gas Volvo with over 300k on it. It was running well when I sold it.

We're down to 300,000 miles now?

That's probably more than a little optimistic for most automobiles, but some folks don't have the financial capability to be buying new cars all the time and have to nurse their old buggy until it drops.

EZGO and Club Car use NMC battery technology...Most others are LFP.

EZGO uses Samsung SDI NMC cells and as of MY2021 they replaced the "E" series cells with "G" series. The new cells are more robust in every way. I calculated the charging at 0.15C and 4.05V per cell. This is very slow charging to about 90% capacity which will not harm the cells much. No doubt you will get their 80% capacity @ 1000 charge cycles spec (and probably do much better - Perhaps 90%) with the EZGO...That's 48 miles of range at 60,000 miles instead of 60 miles when new. Calendar life should be about 15 years in this application.

LFP batteries have very little voltage drop from 100-0% SOC which makes it difficult to calculate vehicle range. The reason why they want you to charge full all the time is so that the BMS system can recalibrate range. Tesla uses LFP batteries on model 3 and Y Standard Range and NMC batteries on their Long Range.

I can imagine "rolling coal" in a golf cart :)

When I lived in Europe I had a Honda with about 400K miles and It saw the Autobahn almost every day. I suspect the 2025 Camry will be trouble free for 20 years regardless of miles. Elon says Teslas have a million mile chassis so it probably doesn't.

There are very few moving parts to wear on an electric cart...Maybe the motor end bearing and front wheel bearings. The transaxle will last close enough to forever. The EZGO RXV Elite uses reverse motor braking so no brake pads to wear.

300k-400k, that's nothing.
I have had the same broom for 20 years.
It's had 17 new heads and 14 new handles.
Still as good as new.


(Trigger.)

I wonder what happens with the EZGO when the driver just "taps" the brake pedal to get a slight slowdown.It seems like that would confuse the engine and would it reverse for just a short time and then go back to forward. Apparently it works, but i don't see why not have regular friction brakes in combination with motor reversal ?