Alec Baldwin in lose/lose situation!

[dewilson58]

Unless you're making a vasectomy joke, yes you do...

Starter guns "cannot fire real ammunition" without first being extensively modified: Blank shells or caps are used to prevent expelling projectiles, and only a small amount of smoke can be seen when shot.

and

A starter's pistol having no bore through its barrel, and thus capable only of discharging blank cartridges, is not a firearm nor is it a dangerous weapon as that term is defined by the Legislature.

:ho:

[dewilson58]

Unless you're making a vasectomy joke, yes you do...

Here is more for you:

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They cannot be made to fire real ammunition.

[JMintzer]

Here is more for you:

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Blank Firing Guns: Our authentic Blank Firing Replica Guns are ideal for re-enactment, theatrical are training purposes. Many of our Blank Guns can be seen in movies such as Dances with Wolves, Open Range, True Lies, Lethal Weapon, The Body Guard, Die Hard, The Untouchables, Silverado, and many other Hollywood hits. The single, double, or semi-automatic action of these replica blank firing rifles and pistols work like the originals and have been faithfully reproduced. All of our blank firing replicas are made of metal construction and are proof-tested.
They cannot be made to fire real ammunition.

Thanks for the info... I guess you CAN teach an old dog new tricks...

[manaboutown]

‘Rust’ armorer breaks silence on Alec Baldwin shooting incident, blames producers for unsafe conditions | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-armorer-breaks-silence-alec-baldwin-shooting-incident-blames-producers-unsafe-conditions?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3w014kaMueA_jWwEqUT4xNoV0JF8dqnZp8tpfy7 Y8Et7XnmZKNDIYG2QA)

Alec Baldwin '''Rust''' shooting: 4th person handled gun before fatal incident, search warrant says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-movie-sarah-zachry-third-search-warrant-handled-gun?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR39Dx3TrXbjWxEhJUUT-ceCQq8ZOJqwl0EroeWXev3LOus1YTgPfpQmMxM)

[JSR22]

‘Rust’ armorer breaks silence on Alec Baldwin shooting incident, blames producers for unsafe conditions | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-armorer-breaks-silence-alec-baldwin-shooting-incident-blames-producers-unsafe-conditions?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3w014kaMueA_jWwEqUT4xNoV0JF8dqnZp8tpfy7 Y8Et7XnmZKNDIYG2QA)

Alec Baldwin '''Rust''' shooting: 4th person handled gun before fatal incident, search warrant says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-movie-sarah-zachry-third-search-warrant-handled-gun?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR39Dx3TrXbjWxEhJUUT-ceCQq8ZOJqwl0EroeWXev3LOus1YTgPfpQmMxM)

I would believe the man on the moon before fox.

[Number 10 GI]

This is a very informative bit of information concerning guns and live ammo on a movie set.

Actor John Schneider reacts to Alec Baldwin's prop-gun fatal shooting | 'Wake Up America' - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM129qTYrKk)

[blueash]

Maybe I've read too many detective books, but if this was an accident then the fingerprints of whomever put the live round in the gun will be on the shell. If it was loaded wearing gloves, hmm.

[manaboutown]

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[manaboutown]

Criminal Charges Could Be Coming In Alec Baldwin Shooting Incident - Conservative Brief (https://conservativebrief.com/criminal-charges-53458/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=DJD&fbclid=IwAR2fXywVeL5GYJic4nX_iXvqu2lplW4FZ_03ijfvj 4nnkdp0OI6CugMWE8c)

[manaboutown]

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[manaboutown]

New Mexico Sheriff Puts Alec Baldwin On Notice: 'This is a criminal investigation' - MAGA Conservative (https://magaconservatives.com/new-mexico-sheriff-puts-alec-baldwin-on-notice-this-is-a-criminal-investigation/?fbclid=IwAR0gLPzhApOPUbASZLsShWUiKhwKThVucvUXu52N tunPscVNB3Wwl6Wj3AQ)

[JMintzer]

‘Rust’ armorer breaks silence on Alec Baldwin shooting incident, blames producers for unsafe conditions | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-armorer-breaks-silence-alec-baldwin-shooting-incident-blames-producers-unsafe-conditions?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3w014kaMueA_jWwEqUT4xNoV0JF8dqnZp8tpfy7 Y8Et7XnmZKNDIYG2QA)

Alec Baldwin '''Rust''' shooting: 4th person handled gun before fatal incident, search warrant says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-movie-sarah-zachry-third-search-warrant-handled-gun?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR39Dx3TrXbjWxEhJUUT-ceCQq8ZOJqwl0EroeWXev3LOus1YTgPfpQmMxM)

Bot seem to be nothing more than "CYA" statements...

[HarleyDoc]

It is tragic that this woman lost her life and a child is without a mom. The basic rules of weapon safety is that YOU NEVER TRUST WHAT ANYONE SAYS ABOUT THE WEAPON. If it is capable of firing a round and you did not check it yourself once it is in your hand, you are negligent. A weapon should be checked every time it changes hands. Even if a sales person in a store hands me a gun to look at, I triple check it to see if it is loaded and it is never pointed in the direction of a live target. Since he didn't see the chamber close, it was his responsibility to recheck the gun as soon as it was placed in his hand. That is what every knowledgeable gun owner does. It should be especially rechecked if their are live people in the direction of the barrel. He is guilty of involuntary manslaughter since he had the weapon when it fired. No doubt about it.
The others persons are accessories. If there were an NRA safety instructor there, she would be alive today. You should never touch a weapon unless you know proper safety protocol. Tragic

[JMintzer]

It is tragic that this woman lost her life and a child is without a mom. The basic rules of weapon safety is that YOU NEVER TRUST WHAT ANYONE SAYS ABOUT THE WEAPON. If it is capable of firing a round and you did not check it yourself once it is in your hand, you are negligent. A weapon should be checked every time it changes hands. Even if a sales person in a store hands me a gun to look at, I triple check it to see if it is loaded and it is never pointed in the direction of a live target. Since he didn't see the chamber close, it was his responsibility to recheck the gun as soon as it was placed in his hand. That is what every knowledgeable gun owner does. It should be especially rechecked if their are live people in the direction of the barrel. He is guilty of involuntary manslaughter since he had the weapon when it fired. No doubt about it.
The others persons are accessories. If there were an NRA safety instructor there, she would be alive today. You should never touch a weapon unless you know proper safety protocol. Tragic

Prezactly!

Except for the part about what he's guilty of... I'm not up to speed on the laws of New Mexico...

[jimbomaybe]

This was only her 2nd job and as you see, she was fired from her first one. To be a prop master or armorer you need lots of experience. There’s no way a 24 year old could possibly have that amount of experience. But then there’s also the 1st assistant director. That is the person in charge of all safety on set. The protocol for a cold gun on set is for the armorer to bring the gun on set, in front of the crew, show the 1st AD and crew/actors that the gun is empty, they do this every single time a real gun is brought onto the set. I’ve worked on sets for 30+ years and have never, not once NOT seen this happen. It’s tedious and we’ve all seen it a hundred times, but it still has to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME a gun is brought on set. The AD, not only didn’t do his job, he picked up the gun and handed to the actor yelling cold gun. There are so many balls dropped by this guy that I almost forget the armorer is even involved. Then there are the 2 additional accidental misfires on the set 2 days prior, which led to safety phone calls made by crew members and crew members walking off the set. At this point, any good producer would’ve gotten involved. Movies have like 20 producers but most are vanity credits. All but maybe 3 are. The Line Producer and UPM are the 2 responsible for production and hiring. I worked with the Line Producer on Rust a few years back where she was an office PA, which is the lowest possible position on any production. Now she’s doing the highest position? This production was filled with inexperienced people and that is the issue. We all know who’s to blame and the names are David Halls, first AD and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, armorer. Don’t forget, this happened back in the 90’s where an actor shot and killed Brandon Lee during a scene where a wad of something got lodged into the chamber and the blank killed him. There were no charges to the actor who pulled the trigger but that’s when the gun protocol went into affect. Also, NOBODY is supposed to touch the gun, except the armorer. Certainly unheard of for an AD to pick up a gun off a cart and hand it to an actor. He’s admitted he didn’t check the gun prior to handing it over to an actor. Thank you for your insight. I would add the question, Why were there live rounds on the set ? Reports that the gun was used for "plinking" ? by who, did this person or persons have the necessary knowledge, training to be trusted with a deadly weapon? or were they just playing with a deadly weapon ? I have some familiarity with firearms having owned and been around them most of my life and have seen people who I know who know better violate basic gun safety, "familiarity breeds contempt" I don't know much about Mr. Baldwin and have little interest but I think it unlikely he has much training or experience with firearms. If what I have read from other post regarding NM law regarding firearms responsibility Mr. Baldwin has a very high degree of responsibility having control of a deadly weapon and I happen to agree. More than enough blame to share for all involved, certainly Mr. Baldwin will be asking himself question for the rest of his life.

[LateBoomer]

Prezactly!

Except for the part about what he's guilty of... I'm not up to speed on the laws of New Mexico...

could be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide -- "death by negligence". Look up the State of New Mexico's criminal code. Specifically, Chapter 30 - Criminal Offenses, Article 7 - Weapons and Explosives, Section 30-7-4 - Negligent use of a deadly weapon.

whether you think it's a prop or not, you shouldn't be pointing a gun at anyone and pulling the trigger. It's on HIM. He could be charged, though I'm sure that this particular State will let him off the hook for political reasons. I do think he's going to be hit with a big civil suit (as well as the movie production company and other individuals) by the family.

Maybe his wife "Hillaria" will adopt a new fake name and fake accent to help him out of his latest jam? It doesn't help when you kill someone, but you have a reputation for rudeness and nastiness on social media, in public, and your wife has become the butt of a number of jokes for fakeness.

At least half the country sees him as a jerk so he's not going to get a lot of sympathy.

[PugMom]

above post says he will live with this the rest of his life, which is probably the worst punishment of all. very sad all around, it sounds like careless negligence. some people get triggered by him but, all i can think of is the skit 'cantine boy' on snl :popcorn:

[manaboutown]

Stockpile of weapons, ammo seized from 'Rust' set (https://nypost.com/2021/10/29/stockpile-of-weapons-ammo-seized-from-rust-set/)

[New Englander]

What I'd like to know is what the h*ll real bullets were doing on the movie set??? Who brought them there?? I'm not a fan of Mr. Baldwin but he didn't load the gun, he was handed the revolver and told cold gun.

[affald]

As a person in active management of the entire production Alec knew the person who handed him the gun was completely unauthorized and unqualified to do so. Alec has criminal and civil responsibilities. Ask any lawyer want a be on totv.

[manaboutown]

Hilaria Baldwin drives husband Alec around in posh ski town after deadly '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-movie-shooting-ongoing-investigation?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR23GVfP9DygsYIUgBBi9f1QXWVbKkJowNG9iYxXZ Xv7BmDRbYB2lLq78cQ)

[Two Bills]

Hilaria Baldwin drives husband Alec around in posh ski town after deadly '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-movie-shooting-ongoing-investigation?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR23GVfP9DygsYIUgBBi9f1QXWVbKkJowNG9iYxXZ Xv7BmDRbYB2lLq78cQ)

It's scrape the bottom of the barrel time for reports now!:ohdear:

[JMintzer]

It's scrape the bottom of the barrel time for reports now!:ohdear:

Don't like the story? Trash the source...

[manaboutown]

Interesting way to grieve. Fly the family and nanny to the other end of the country to a resort town in Vermont. Dress up like local "my other brother Darryl" in a red and black checkered heavy shirt, go to a bar closed to the public, eat, drink, kiss your wife... Alec Baldwin and wife Hilaria dine in Vermont bar closed to public as '''Rust''' probe picks up steam | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-hilaria-vermont-bar)

[Taltarzac725]

I see nothing wrong with the behavior of Alec Baldwin. He lost a friend and a co-worker from a movie set on which he was calling some of the details but probably very few of them in reality. There were banking on his name to sell the film IMHO.

There is criminal negligence here, of course, but that looks like committed by whomever was in actual charge of the Colt revolver and the safe handling of it.

[JMintzer]

I see nothing wrong with the behavior of Alec Baldwin. He lost a friend and a co-worker from a movie set on which he was calling some of the details but probably very few of them in reality. There were banking on his name to sell the film IMHO.

There is criminal negligence here, of course, but that looks like committed by whomever was in actual charge of the Colt revolver and the safe handling of it.

The final person in charge of the weapon and it's safe handling was Baldwin...

[manaboutown]

I see nothing wrong with the behavior of Alec Baldwin. He lost a friend and a co-worker from a movie set on which he was calling some of the details but probably very few of them in reality. There were banking on his name to sell the film IMHO.

There is criminal negligence here, of course, but that looks like committed by whomever was in actual charge of the Colt revolver and the safe handling of it.

"He lost a friend and a co-worker"? She was not hit by a truck and did not fall off a cliff. He pointed a revolver he had not checked for live rounds at her and pulled the trigger, shooting and killing her!

[Catfishjeff]

I spent many years in the film production business. This was a low budget project and the producers cut too many corners in both staffing and procedures. For instance, why were crew members using these prop guns for target practice? Prop guns should never be out of sight of the person responsible for the weapons. From the beginning this was a disaster waiting to happen.

[collie1228]

My Dad, who taught me gun safety, would have no sympathy for Alec Baldwin. I can still recall him saying "never point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at something you don't want to shoot". Personally, I think Alec is a complete jerk, but in this case, I do have some sympathy for him. But I understand as executive producer, he was involved in the hiring of the apparently incompetent "armor" and the assistant director who called out "cold gun", so Alec has some responsibility here.

[Taltarzac725]

My Dad, who taught me gun safety, would have no sympathy for Alec Baldwin. I can still recall him saying "never point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at something you don't want to shoot". Personally, I think Alec is a complete jerk, but in this case, I do have some sympathy for him. But I understand as executive producer, he was involved in the hiring of the apparently incompetent "armor" and the assistant director who called out "cold gun", so Alec has some responsibility here.

As a producer he should be held accountable but as an actor that was not his job to check the gun or guns. That could lead to a lot of problems if individual actors started taking charge of the weapons used on a movie set. Or a television set. They had protocols in place which do work when followed properly.

[Kenswing]

As a producer he should be held accountable but as an actor that was not his job to check the gun or guns. That could lead to a lot of problems if individual actors started taking charge of the weapons used on a movie set. Or a television set. They had protocols in place which do work when followed properly.
Sorry, Tal. Just because it wasn't his job to check the gun as far as "movie law" goes, he's the one that pulled the trigger in real life. That's what matters. He'll be very lucky if he's not charged.

[JMintzer]

As a producer he should be held accountable but as an actor that was not his job to check the gun or guns. That could lead to a lot of problems if individual actors started taking charge of the weapons used on a movie set. Or a television set. They had protocols in place which do work when followed properly.

If the scene called for him to play "Russian Roulette", you better damn well believe he would have checked the gun...

[Get real]

The final person in charge of the weapon and it's safe handling was Baldwin...

I hope Baldwin gets a long prison term. Hypocrite.

[JSR22]

I hope Baldwin gets a long prison term. Hypocrite.

Honestly, I do not think he will go to prison.

[NoMoSno]

As a producer he should be held accountable but as an actor that was not his job to check the gun or guns. That could lead to a lot of problems if individual actors started taking charge of the weapons used on a movie set. Or a television set. They had protocols in place which do work when followed properly.
It would take less than 5 seconds for an actor to open the cylinder and glance at the rounds loaded.
I would guess Baldwin will do this in the future as well as all actors in the future.
Basic firearm safety 101 would have saved a life.

[JMintzer]

I hope Baldwin gets a long prison term. Hypocrite.

Or this one...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-20c36f8792319b57b35f8d945b80bbec

[LateBoomer]

in other news, Alec's wife, Hillary, or Hilaria with the fake hispanic accent, has decided to change her name to Cleopatra and has adopted an Egyptian accent

[Malsua]

It would take less than 5 seconds for an actor to open the cylinder and glance at the rounds loaded.
I would guess Baldwin will do this in the future as well as all actors in the future.
Basic firearm safety 101 would have saved a life.

This was a period authentic piece that did not have a swing out cylinder. You would have to check each chamber individually.

This requires that you half cock the hammer, open the loading gate and spin the cylinder. Since this would only give you the primer end of the round, you would need to remove each cartridge to inspect what it actually was. If this gun was supposed to be truly cold, there should have been nothing in it.

While I agree that this normally doesn't take much time, if you are not familiar with old single action revolvers, this process would be difficult to figure out on the fly.

Edit to add, I've been handling firearms for 45+ years and the basic rules were drilled into me to the point, I do not believe I could point a gun, one I even knew was cold, even on a movie set at someone and pull the trigger. I can and will ventilate anyone that is a threat to life though. Assume all guns are loaded, muzzle pointed in a safe direction, Know your target and beyond / don't point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy, finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

[D.Bolen]

If the scene called for him to play "Russian Roulette", you better damn well believe he would have checked the gun...

Insightful observation.

[Taltarzac725]

Have you seen a John Wick movie? I would hope all of that would be computer generated special effects or a movie set with very strict protocols in place.

[JMintzer]

Have you seen a John Wick movie? I would hope all of that would be computer generated special effects or a movie set with very strict protocols in place.

And Keanu Reeves has had extensive firearms training...

[karostay]

Arrogant call c actor all he has is a loud mouth with no talent

[billethkid]

On a period, single action weapon, opening the gate and rotating to each cylinder will ONLY show how many "rounds" are chambered (or not). Doing so will (most likely) not verify whether the "round" is a blank or live ammo.
I say most likely as it is a possibility there could be different identification/marking of some sort to the primer view of the "round"; if not there is no way to tell looking at the primer end of the "round".

[NoMoSno]

On a period, single action weapon, opening the gate and rotating to each cylinder will ONLY show how many "rounds" are chambered (or not). Doing so will (most likely) not verify whether the "round" is a blank or live ammo.
I say most likely as it is a possibility there could be different identification/marking of some sort to the primer view of the "round"; if not there is no way to tell looking at the primer end of the "round".
Most blanks have a headstamp marked "blank"
.45 Long Colt Brass Blank Ammunition with Smoke (https://www.westernstageprops.com/45-long-colt-brass-blank-ammunition-with-smoke-p/sa12bs.htm)
Or one could take the time to slide out 6 rounds and check.
The extra time could save a life.

[JMintzer]

On a period, single action weapon, opening the gate and rotating to each cylinder will ONLY show how many "rounds" are chambered (or not). Doing so will (most likely) not verify whether the "round" is a blank or live ammo.
I say most likely as it is a possibility there could be different identification/marking of some sort to the primer view of the "round"; if not there is no way to tell looking at the primer end of the "round".

But a "cold gun" will have neither in the cylinder... It should be EMPTY...

Once established that it is not empty, THEN you can check for live vs blank ammo...

[manaboutown]

Halls has lawyered up. Lawyer for '''Rust''' assistant director refuses to answer if he handed gun to Alec Baldwin | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-assistant-director-dave-halls-lawyer-speaks-out?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR000uIl-WdxyBEAMZ5ElPHOCdR0zGYFIgwoj8uYkXfs3FMrKYy25qV-63M)

[dewilson58]

Halls has lawyered up.

As will everyone.

[JMintzer]

Lawyers simply lawyering... Telling their clients to "clam up" before they say something that will get themselves in trouble...

[dewilson58]

Halls has lawyered up. Lawyer for '''Rust''' assistant director refuses to answer if he handed gun to Alec Baldwin | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-assistant-director-dave-halls-lawyer-speaks-out?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR000uIl-WdxyBEAMZ5ElPHOCdR0zGYFIgwoj8uYkXfs3FMrKYy25qV-63M)

Now the lawyer issued a statement............."Hall never took gun off cart & handed to AB" :popcorn:

[PugMom]

in other news, Alec's wife, Hillary, or Hilaria with the fake hispanic accent, has decided to change her name to Cleopatra and has adopted an Egyptian accent

i was watching some news report on tv of them speaking to reporters & she sure appears feisty. she interrupted & hubby had to ask her to back off, lmao. she did for a bit, but kept trying to get her points across & face on camera.

[manaboutown]

As will everyone.

That is likely the very first thing Alec did, judging from the phraseology he has used to describe her death. Never once from what I have read has he said anything close to "I shot her but it was an accident as I was told the gun was cold.'"or "I accidentally killed her". He just says something to the effect that a tragic accident occurred on the set. The reality is he killed her.

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin '''Rust''' shooting warrants suggest violations of industry firearms standards, documents show | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-industry-firearms-standards?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR2v_aWxSqzykJ31ndvwJkEAuDsrnufKQ2gxTh-da00w9Wp5Ze8uH3DkFUI)

[coffeebean]

But a "cold gun" will have neither in the cylinder... It should be EMPTY...

Once established that it is not empty, THEN you can check for live vs blank ammo...

I thought a "cold gun" was loaded with blanks. That's how much I don't know about firearms. If a "cold gun" is empty then what do they call a gun that is loaded with only blanks?

[JMintzer]

I thought a "cold gun" was loaded with blanks. That's how much I don't know about firearms. If a "cold gun" is empty then what do they call a gun that is loaded with only blanks?

Not what I learned. A "Cold Range" means that every gun is unloaded and placed on the table in front of you...

On a movie set, a gun should NEVER be loaded with real ammo, so... there is only blanks vs nothing...

[manaboutown]

Halyna Hutchins family retains legal counsel, will reportedly file wrongful death lawsuit | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/halyna-hutchins-legal-counsel-wrongful-death-lawsuit?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0I9xnVCsEweKhaFAWNiKt609ZTi1Ty-HHiXAdt5UAEmscxvnYPC50TZaE)

Alec Baldwin'''s '''Rust''' costume designer Terese Davis says Halyna Hutchins was '''brightest light''' on set | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-costume-designer-halyna-hutchins-brightest-light?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0Pg0HIYf7MQ8CvuIx3am-i3WX6_7B4HIoKOzeJs8xIJkbHWeyzzc5JWuQ)

[jdulej]

That is likely the very first thing Alec did, judging from the phraseology he has used to describe her death. Never once from what I have read has he said anything close to "I shot her but it was an accident as I was told the gun was cold.'"or "I accidentally killed her". He just says something to the effect that a tragic accident occurred on the set. The reality is he killed her.

Unless you were there you really cannot know what the reality was. What you know is what you have read filtered by the biases of each writer/reporter. It seems likely that you are correct in your assumption but the wheels of justice need to finish their job.

[manaboutown]

"The situation for Alec Baldwin continues to get worse by the day.

Serge Svetnoy, the key gaffer for “Rust,” is suing Baldwin and others involved with the movie following the tragic killing of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

Svetnoy alleges in his lawsuit that the scene that Baldwin was shooting on that fateful day did not require him to “fire” the weapon."

From: Crew Member Suing Alec Baldwin Drops Potential Game-Changing Claim About The Gun - Conservative Brief (https://conservativebrief.com/suing-54365/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=DJD&fbclid=IwAR0VLLa9pFjyEwh-bwf7UXgqTJK9kUwxpI92T1rcZKrGuPLQtfjQLKkepJU)

[Caymus]

"The situation for Alec Baldwin continues to get worse by the day.

Serge Svetnoy, the key gaffer for “Rust,” is suing Baldwin and others involved with the movie following the tragic killing of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

Svetnoy alleges in his lawsuit that the scene that Baldwin was shooting on that fateful day did not require him to “fire” the weapon."



He filed a general-negligence complaint. I did not see a $$$ amount.

[manaboutown]

Anything to get off the hook I guess. What an asinine statement from Alec! Nolte: Sheriff to Alec Baldwin — 'Guns Don't Just Go Off' (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/12/02/nolte-sheriff-to-alec-baldwin-guns-dont-just-go-off/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR20tr9g3yWhLdifppxfpbyau4U-faD8JM_QZxaYI6lkCrpJ33PYtQxSFJw)

[dewilson58]

I decided there is not enough info to comment....thread deleted.

Billy..................pretty good thread.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.

:crap2:

[valuemkt]

What would you expect from this jerk .. Makes fun of others .. is irresponsible.. and when in trouble DENY DENY DENY .. sound familiar ?

[Topspinmo]

It would take less than 5 seconds for an actor to open the cylinder and glance at the rounds loaded.
I would guess Baldwin will do this in the future as well as all actors in the future.
Basic firearm safety 101 would have saved a life.

Several actors have been killed over the decades by improperly loaded firearm or intentionally loaded firearms? Brandon lee come to mind.


First you would have pop the rounds out and look see it there was lead bullet or if they were blanks. Or look down from barrel end of 6 shooter. How many actor’s could tell the difference? They hire people to insure guns are set up for scene.

‘The Crow’ and Other Movies and TV Shows With Deaths on Set - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/movies/accidents-movie-sets-tv.html)

[Topspinmo]

Billy..................pretty good thread.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.

:crap2:

You could say that about ever thread. :popcorn:

[NoMoSno]

Several actors have been killed over the decades by improperly loaded firearm or intentionally loaded firearms? Brandon lee come to mind.


First you would have pop the rounds out and look see it there was lead bullet or if they were blanks. Or look down from barrel end of 6 shooter. How many actor’s could tell the difference? They hire people to insure guns are set up for scene.
Maybe it's time the industry changes it's protocol.
Doing so may save lives.

[retiredguy123]

It's interesting that Baldwin now says that the gun went off, but he did not pull the trigger. If that argument prevails, couldn't every person charged with a shooting claim the same thing? How could you ever prove that someone pulled the trigger?

[billethkid]

ANYBODY that owns or is familiar with a single action fire arm KNOWS that Baldwin is lying/acting/faking a response.

When he states he did not pull the trigger or aim at anybody, does he expect we would think the gun went off by itself?
No need to even extrapolate not aiming at someone.

Reasonable doubt? Not for an awake, sentient being!

[dewilson58]

Gota love the guy..................

.
@GStephanopoulos
: "Do you feel guilt?"

Alec Baldwin: “No. Someone is responsible for what happened and I can’t say who that is, but I know it’s not me.”

:shocked:

[DeanFL]

What would you expect from this jerk .. Makes fun of others .. is irresponsible.. and when in trouble DENY DENY DENY .. sound familiar ?

.
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Breaking news - Alec Baldwin wins the Oscar for Best Actor!

One simple question AB - This "I never pulled the trigger!" was never said by you...until weeks after and your legal folks formulated the 'plan'. YOU handled the gun, YOU shot them, YOU said many things immediately after. But NOT ONCE was it reported that you said "I didn't pull the trigger" - until now, and that soft "interview".

AB from the interview> When Hutchins hit the floor, Baldwin initially thought she had fainted or had a heart attack. "The notion that there was a live round in that gun didn't dawn on me until 45 minutes to an hour later," he said.

WTF? A person normally DOES NOT bleed from the torso when fainting or heart attack. Took HIM 45 minutes to realize this? C'mon AB.

Common sense = This "fact" would have been exclaimed immediately. But he personally has a LOT to lose - not only as an "actor", but personally and financially responsible as a Producer of the film. Coverup royale.
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[davem4616]

well, that settles it... AB told Geroge that he didn't pull the trigger...case dismissed!

[manaboutown]

John Schneider rails against Alec Baldwin for claiming he '''didn’t pull the trigger''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-john-schneider-claiming-didnt-pull-trigger)

[Stu from NYC]

It's interesting that Baldwin now says that the gun went off, but he did not pull the trigger. If that argument prevails, couldn't every person charged with a shooting claim the same thing? How could you ever prove that someone pulled the trigger?

I would bet lawyer told him to say this

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin Admits He Cocked the Gun Before Fatal 'Rust' Set Shooting (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/12/03/alec-baldwin-admits-he-cocked-the-gun-before-fatal-rust-set-shooting/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3fCiF05C5P5_658Gx2WFYBZYiaYCaxD2pkQ43RI X5P_2pNV35B3faIFh0)

[billethkid]

Alec Baldwin Admits He Cocked the Gun Before Fatal 'Rust' Set Shooting (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/12/03/alec-baldwin-admits-he-cocked-the-gun-before-fatal-rust-set-shooting/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3fCiF05C5P5_658Gx2WFYBZYiaYCaxD2pkQ43RI X5P_2pNV35B3faIFh0)

Sounds like a feeble attempt to portray I was doing what I was told to do and then the gun went off.

Brooklyn bridges for sale this week....buy one get one free!!:MOJE_whot:

[Topspinmo]

It's scrape the bottom of the barrel time for reports now!:ohdear:

So, just had to add you’re peaolitical bias

[Topspinmo]

"civil crime"????? Now that's the classic definition of an oxymoron:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

PS: to anyone out there who thinks of it, a tort can't be both at the same time

What will the cult members think when investigated it turns out this was set in up by a follower of the orange one?

Why is this blatant political post allowed just above. Why moderator? you banned me for much less?

[Taltarzac725]

Half-cock - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-cock)

It must have been fully cocked.

[fdpaq0580]

I don't care about AB either way. I'll let the court try the case. But, I am reminded of an old murder mystery where an actor was killed during the making of a movie and everyone thought the prop gun had been loaded by mistake, or on purpose. Spoiler alert, prop gun fired blank. Murder gun was hidden and fired remotely. Too bad the suspected murder gun was different calibre than actual murder weapon.
How ever this plays out, you can look for a movie based on this tragic event in the not too distant future.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program, "Trial by Opinion", here on ToTV

[Taltarzac725]

They can use the actual gun Alec Baldwin was using when he was talking with the lady who was killed and the man who was wounded to determine what actually happened.

That should get to the facts.

I don't care about AB either way. I'll let the court try the case. But, I am reminded of an old murder mystery where an actor was killed during the making of a movie and everyone thought the prop gun had been loaded by mistake, or on purpose. Spoiler alert, prop gun fired blank. Murder gun was hidden and fired remotely. Too bad the suspected murder gun was different calibre than actual murder weapon.
How ever this plays out, you can look for a movie based on this tragic event in the not too distant future.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program, "Trial by Opinion", here on ToTV

[Two Bills]

So, just had to add you’re peaolitical bias

I have no idea wtf 'peaolitical bias' is.
But.
If your wife driving you shopping has any relevance to the accidental shooting, and is political in any way, I am always up for any rational explanation!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I was keeping an open mind on this situation until I heard Alec Baldwin claim that he never pulled the trigger. Guns don’t go off on their own. Some guns may fire if dropped but this was obviously not the case here.
This gun is a single action revolver. It would take two actions to fire it. Bald wins assertion that he didn’t pull the trigger is preposterous. Was he on drugs or is he suffering from some sort of mental illness that would prevent him from realizing that he pulled the trigger?

[billethkid]

Was it reported anywhere regarding whether he pulled the hammer back?
Necessary first step, by the shooter, to firing a single action revolver.

As this case unfolds the old CYA by the rich and famous comes into play....no matter how ridiculous or stupid it may sound.

[dewilson58]

Was it reported anywhere regarding whether he pulled the hammer back? Necessary first step, by the shooter, to firing a single action revolver.

He admits with George, he pulled back the hammer & let the hammer go.

He states, someone is responsible, but it is not him. :ohdear:

[manaboutown]

This is no surprise to me. New Mexico District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies Issues Statement On ‘Rust’ Film Shooting (https://ladailypost.com/new-mexico-district-attorney-mary-carmack-altwies-statement-on-rust-film-shooting/?fbclid=IwAR2YATxslW3G9YiBeEzFBRgKwx6qpid4ythkrPHE N9UTxUEJ_le1VVTY3lw)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I was keeping an open mind on this situation until I heard Alec Baldwin claim that he never pulled the trigger. Guns don’t go off on their own. Some guns may fire if dropped but this was obviously not the case here.
This gun is a single action revolver. It would take two actions to fire it. Bald wins assertion that he didn’t pull the trigger is preposterous. Was he on drugs or is he suffering from some sort of mental illness that would prevent him from realizing that he pulled the trigger?

Having said all that, the first question that I think needs to be asked is; Why were there live rounds on the set of this movie to begin with? Then I would ask why are the firing pins in these guns not removed? Can they not dub the sound of the gun firing later on?

Now I'm reading that Baldwin is stating that he pulled the hammer back as instructed. It might be possible that he didn't pull it back far enough and it slipped and the pin hit the round. But the fact that he says that he didn't realize that the gun went off is absurd. When a Colt .45 goes off in your hand to know it. And it's very different when it goes off with a live round as opposed to a blank. Even if Baldwin is not familiar with guns and hasn't fired live rounds, he's fired plenty of blanks in his career. He certainly would have felt a big difference.

[Caymus]

What was he hoping to accomplish with the interview? The DA will determine what happens next. It would be best to remain quiet. On another note, I wonder if he has insurance for the potential civil lawsuits. Bill Cosby's insurance paid for much of his.

[NoMoSno]

Interesting video
Alec Baldwin is WRONG - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpvWXuBnMss)

[JMintzer]

Having said all that, the first question that I think needs to be asked is; Why were there live rounds on the set of this movie to begin with? Then I would ask why are the firing pins in these guns not removed? Can they not dub the sound of the gun firing later on?

Now I'm reading that Baldwin is stating that he pulled the hammer back as instructed. It might be possible that he didn't pull it back far enough and it slipped and the pin hit the round. But the fact that he says that he didn't realize that the gun went off is absurd. When a Colt .45 goes off in your hand to know it. And it's very different when it goes off with a live round as opposed to a blank. Even if Baldwin is not familiar with guns and hasn't fired live rounds, he's fired plenty of blanks in his career. He certainly would have felt a big difference.

To your first question, apparently they were goofing around, having target practice when shooting was done for the day...

To your second question, the firing pins weren't removed because they wanted the guns to fire blanks.

To your third question, it's because they want the muzzle flash and the gunpowder smoke...

The rest of Baldwin's statement is hogwash...

[JMintzer]

Interesting video
Alec Baldwin is WRONG - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpvWXuBnMss)

Prezactly!

[tophcfa]

Regardless of what a court finds, by saying he feels no guilt after killing a co-worker, he sunk himself in the court of public opinion. What a heartless A HOLE!

[New Englander]

Regardless of what a court finds, by saying he feels no guilt after killing a co-worker, he sunk himself in the court of public opinion. What a heartless A HOLE!

:agree:

[fdpaq0580]

Regardless of what a court finds, by saying he feels no guilt after killing a co-worker, he sunk himself in the court of public opinion. What a heartless A HOLE!

Heartless? Probably, but I don't know him so I can't comment.
Saying one "feels no guilt" just means he doesn't feel he intentionally meant to cause harm to anyone. It does not specifically mean he may not feel sorrow, anger, frustration, loss, or any number of things that one feels when a tragedy happens. Many people, if not most, often feel they are to blame, even if they are not. They assume the roll of martyr. "Oh, if only I would or would not have...."
And, I am pretty sure his attorney made sure he would NOT assume any blame since even the most inept prosecutors would smell blood and go for it.
As I said earlier on, there will, I am certain, be a movie "based on" this incident in the not too distant future.
As I am sure some movie producer must have said, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste".

[billethkid]

There are no actions/words or deeds that are not lawyer orchestrated CYA!!

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin’s ‘misguided’ interview slammed by '''Rust''' gaffer'''s attorney: '''An attempt to sway public opinion''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-interview-misguided-rust-gaffer-attorney?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR007OxlsQDm7iaYsHAQcodSKMMJ-q11Q9qIsuaspKNLhr7X3C26Cb1r5HQ)

[Boston-Sean]

Last night there was a 2 hour network show (20/20??) on the Rust movie shooting. It included a lot of reporting about a camera operator who was killed 7 years ago in Georgia when she was hit by a train while filming a movie. The director in that case spent 2 years in jail.

The reason I say that Baldwin won't be charged is what the DA had to say on the show last night. Multiple times she said her investigation was focused on who put the live round in the gun. Nothing to say about Baldwins claim that he didn't pull the trigger.

If she was asked about that it got edited out but I suspect they didn't even bother to ask her about Baldwin. In a 2 hour show there was less than 1 minute where a firearms expert discussed what Baldwin claimed happened. His conclusion after demonstrating how a single action revolver works was that in theory it was possible for Baldwin to be correct but that it would take a seriously defective firearm. A properly functioning gun could not go off the way Baldwin described. They are specifically designed not to go off like that.

So Baldwin has the media and the DA looking out for him. He walks.

[Taltarzac725]

They probably would check the actual firearm in this tragedy to see how this actually happened.

Last night there was a 2 hour network show (20/20??) on the Rust movie shooting. It included a lot of reporting about a camera operator who was killed 7 years ago in Georgia when she was hit by a train while filming a movie. The director in that case spent 2 years in jail.

The reason I say that Baldwin won't be charged is what the Left wing DA had to say on the show last night. Multiple times she said her investigation was focused on who put the live round in the gun. Nothing to say about Baldwins claim that he didn't pull the trigger.

If she was asked about that it got edited out but I suspect they didn't even bother to ask her about Baldwin. In a 2 hour show there was less than 1 minute where a firearms expert discussed what Baldwin claimed happened. His conclusion after demonstrating how a single action revolver works was that in theory it was possible for Baldwin to be correct but that it would take a seriously defective firearm. A properly functioning gun could not go off the way Baldwin described. They are specifically designed not to go off like that.

So Baldwin has the media and the DA looking out for him. He walks.

[Boston-Sean]

They probably would check the actual firearm in this tragedy to see how this actually happened.

Yes, they are. The gun was sent to the FBI for testing.

When they get the results of the testing it will still be the DA' s decision on whether to charge or not.

[jimbomaybe]

Last night there was a 2 hour network show (20/20??) on the Rust movie shooting. It included a lot of reporting about a camera operator who was killed 7 years ago in Georgia when she was hit by a train while filming a movie. The director in that case spent 2 years in jail.

The reason I say that Baldwin won't be charged is what the DA had to say on the show last night. Multiple times she said her investigation was focused on who put the live round in the gun. Nothing to say about Baldwins claim that he didn't pull the trigger.

If she was asked about that it got edited out but I suspect they didn't even bother to ask her about Baldwin. In a 2 hour show there was less than 1 minute where a firearms expert discussed what Baldwin claimed happened. His conclusion after demonstrating how a single action revolver works was that in theory it was possible for Baldwin to be correct but that it would take a seriously defective firearm. A properly functioning gun could not go off the way Baldwin described. They are specifically designed not to go off like that.

So Baldwin has the media and the DA looking out for him. He walks.
Mr. Baldwin didn't know what he was doing when handling a dangerous weapon, it may be comfortable for him to absolve himself of any blame , the courts may see things differently, as to the possibilities of what can happen with that antique weapon,,
Hammer Positions - Colt Army Revolver - Bev Fitchett's Guns (https://www.bevfitchett.us/colt-army-revolver/hammer-positions.html)

[karostay]

In Hollywood land once the dust has settled this is going to make a great movie writing the script in the media
Academy award waiting in the wings
Wonder if that was the intentions all along who done it !

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin Fatal Shooting: Crew Member Ordered To Meeting With State Officials – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2021/12/alec-baldwin-shooting-subpoena-david-halls-osha-halyna-hutchins-1234889368/)

[ROCKMUP]

He should have been arrested and charged with manslaughter. You want to see some privilege ? There it is.

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin's cell phone requested by police in search warrant (https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/search-warrant-issued-for-alec-baldwins-cell-phone-in-rust-investigation/)

[DAVES]

I will not be on the jury. From my reading Baldwin CLAIMS he pulled back the hammer and the gun went off. With that particular gun, that is impossible. He had to have pulled the trigger. The gun has been impounded to be certain it is working properly.

Due to his fame, Baldwin will likely get off easy. A woman is DEAD and a guy was wounded. Basic gun safety you never point a gun at anyone you are not intending to shoot. You assume that every gun is loaded.

[Love2Swim]

I will not be on the jury. From my reading Baldwin CLAIMS he pulled back the hammer and the gun went off. With that particular gun, that is impossible. He had to have pulled the trigger. The gun has been impounded to be certain it is working properly.

Due to his fame, Baldwin will likely get off easy. A woman is DEAD and a guy was wounded. Basic gun safety you never point a gun at anyone you are not intending to shoot. You assume that every gun is loaded.

Legal experts say it is unlikely Baldwin will face criminal charges. To do so, it would be necessary to prove he intentionally killed the woman, which he clearly didn't. There is a remote chance he could be convicted of involuntary manslaughter, which would leave him paying a fine. But even that is unlikely, as fatal on-set shootings with prop guns have historically been ruled as accidents. Civil liabilities are a different story - was the protocol in handling and loading the gun breached and who was liable for what; was he liable since he was the producer, etc. A lot of that may depend on how the work contracts were written up. In any event, it doesn't appear there is a criminal case here, but probably negligence with civil damages.

[Gulfcoast]

Baldwin is an idiot but there is no way that he did this intentionally. He probably should be held personally liable as a producer in civil court but I'm not seeing him charged criminally.

[Kenswing]

Baldwin is an idiot but there is no way that he did this intentionally. He probably should be held personally liable as a producer in civil court but I'm not seeing him charged criminally.

Look up the definition of manslaughter or negligent homicide. You might change your mind.

[manaboutown]

New Mexico Detectives Unable to Touch Hamptons-Based Baldwin Are Now Working with His Local Sheriff's Department (https://www.westernjournal.com/new-mexico-detectives-unable-touch-hamptons-based-baldwin-now-working-local-sheriffs-department/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_content=2022-01-08&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR1X7aoatH0iZi8DKU5Usw6rg_wh9dxwHEhMDmYRO Eu_h4-ZY8HLmMTKQA4)

[Gulfcoast]

Look up the definition of manslaughter or negligent homicide. You might change your mind.

He's such a jerk that I would not be sad seeing him thrown in jail.

[unialimon]

He's Toast.

[Taltarzac725]

It will probably be settled out- of- court and you will hear little about it after that. Halyna Hutchins' family sues Alec Baldwin and 'Rust' producers : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080862149/alec-baldwin-halyna-hutchins-rust-lawsuit)

[Spalumbos62]

Sorry but you have no idea how productions work. There is no actor who would check the gun. They have people for that. He is not even a grain of sand size responsible. It’s the 1st AD and the Armorer. PERIOD.

I agree 100%...Alec is not the responsible party here. Of course, yes, he did the firing...but just bc so many of you dislike him for all the different characters he has played over his years,should not affect your thought process.
Can we change this up a tad...let's say we have this very same senerio, all the same "handoff" of the gun to the actor...but the actor was Tom Hanks, or even Julia Roberts .....would you all still be spewing the same rhetoric that you are?
I honestly don't think you would. Take a moment and think about it.

[manaboutown]

It is no surprise that Alec is still trying to play the victim and pass the blame to others but he likely will be held accountable, at least in civil court, and hopefully in criminal court at a later date. Alec Baldwin, others '''responsible''' for Halyna Hutchins''' death in '''Rust''' shooting: wrongful death lawsuit | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-halyna-hutchins-wrongful-death-lawsuit)

[Taltarzac725]

5 things to know for Feb. 16: Ukraine, Sandy Hook, Covid, Prince Andrew, Alec Baldwin - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/us/five-things-february-16-trnd/index.html)

We will see what happens with Alec Baldwin. I see him partially liable but that would depend on how much control he actually had over the hiring of the armorer and safety controls on the movie set.

But not at all criminally negligent.

I happen to like Alec Baldwin's movie and TV work for the most part so I am biased.

[manaboutown]

"Negligent homicide is a type of manslaughter in which someone kills another person without malice or premeditation. ... At minimum, if convicted of negligent homicide in New Mexico, you will be charged with a 4th degree felony, spend up to 18 months in jail and fined up to $5,000 in penalties and fees."

From: Albuquerque Negligent Homicide Defense Lawyer-NM Homicide Attorney (http://www.danbacalawfirm.com/negligent-homicide-defense/)

[Davonu]

5 things to know for Feb. 16: Ukraine, Sandy Hook, Covid, Prince Andrew, Alec Baldwin - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/us/five-things-february-16-trnd/index.html)

We will see what happens with Alec Baldwin. I see him partially liable but that would depend on how much control he actually had over the hiring of the armorer and safety controls on the movie set.

But not at all criminally negligent.

I happen to like Alec Baldwin's movie and TV work for the most part so I am biased.
Of course his movies and TV work have nothing to do with his personality.

[Taltarzac725]

Of course his movies and TV work have nothing to do with his personality.

The Untold Truth Of Alec Baldwin (https://www.looper.com/650028/the-untold-truth-of-alec-baldwin/)

Actually, they are connected.

[Davonu]

The Untold Truth Of Alec Baldwin (https://www.looper.com/650028/the-untold-truth-of-alec-baldwin/)

Actually, they are connected.
You are welcome to your opinion.

[PugMom]

this must be why he looked so terrible in his last video update

[Taltarzac725]

this must be why he looked so terrible in his last video update

Probably. He was on a movie set and assumed the workers were doing their assigned jobs. I cannot see how that would amount to negligent homicide in a criminal case. If he were at his house and pointed a gun he thought was unloaded at a guest and it turned out to be loaded and went off and killed the guest then that would probably be criminal negligence.

[manaboutown]

Alec has a record of being a hot head. He has quite a temper and anger issues.

Alec Baldwin settles with man who sued actor 'punched him in the jaw' in fight over a parking spot | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10461773/Alec-Baldwin-settles-man-sued-actor-punched-jaw-fight-parking-spot.html)

Alec Baldwin profile: a versatile but troubled star | Alec Baldwin | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/oct/22/alec-baldwin-a-versatile-turbulent-and-engaging-star)

[manaboutown]

Probably. He was on a movie set and assumed the workers were doing their assigned jobs. I cannot see how that would amount to negligent homicide in a criminal case. If he were at his house and pointed a gun he thought was unloaded at a guest and it turned out to be loaded and went off and killed the guest then that would probably be criminal negligence.

"1. ALWAYS KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION

This is the most basic safety rule. If everyone handled a firearm so carefully that the muzzle never pointed at something they didn’t intend to shoot, there would be virtually no firearms accidents. It’s as simple as that, and it’s up to you.

Never point your gun at anything you do not intend to shoot. This is particularly important when loading or unloading a firearm. In the event of an accidental discharge, no injury can occur as long as the muzzle is pointing in a safe direction."

"Whenever you handle a firearm or hand it to someone, always open the action immediately, and visually check the chamber, receiver and magazine to be certain they do not contain any ammunition. Always keep actions open when not in use. Never assume a gun is unloaded — check for yourself! This is considered a mark of an experienced gun handler!"

Firearm Safety - 10 Rules of Safe Gun Handling • NSSF (https://www.nssf.org/safety/rules-firearms-safety/)

[Taltarzac725]

Midnight Rider (film - Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Rider_(film))

I can see why these legal cases came out that they did. I do not see any similarities in what actually occurred between the two though.

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin ‘inseparable’ from ‘Rust’ shooting as he faces wrongful death lawsuit, legal experts weigh in | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-courtroom-rust-wrongful-death-lawsuit-legal-experts?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3CxAmi32IqGmbS93mjdDCgKgJ8al_hwpZIIcK1x p9dzVLSNY1Y-Xs1bWs)

[Taltarzac725]

Alec Baldwin ‘inseparable’ from ‘Rust’ shooting as he faces wrongful death lawsuit, legal experts weigh in | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-courtroom-rust-wrongful-death-lawsuit-legal-experts?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3CxAmi32IqGmbS93mjdDCgKgJ8al_hwpZIIcK1x p9dzVLSNY1Y-Xs1bWs)

I am extremely skeptical of anything I see on Fox News.

[manaboutown]

I take anything on Fox News with an extremely skeptical view.

I watch FOX to get the facts as I care not for the notoriously false narratives CNN and other MSM inevitably provide.

[Love2Swim]

I watch FOX to get the facts as I care not for the notoriously false narratives CNN and other MSM inevitably provide.

:1rotfl: Fox is about as far away from fair and balanced as a channel could get. One could hardly even call it "news".

[Mrprez]

:1rotfl: Fox is about as far away from fair and balanced as a channel could get. One could hardly even call it "news".

Where do you get your news?

[manaboutown]

Attorney presentation with video reconstruction of shooting in Hutchins lawsuit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrvSMNq6bA

[Taltarzac725]

Attorney presentation with video reconstruction of shooting in Hutchins lawsuit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrvSMNq6bA

“This Cannot Be Right”: How the Gun in Alec Baldwin’s Hands Turned the ‘Rust’ Set Deadly | Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/how-the-gun-in-alec-baldwins-hands-turned-the-rust-set-deadly)

A much more objective and thorough discussion than some lawyers trying to present their clients' case.

[Caymus]

:1rotfl: Fox is about as far away from fair and balanced as a channel could get. One could hardly even call it "news".


You misspelled CNN.

[manaboutown]

“This Cannot Be Right”: How the Gun in Alec Baldwin’s Hands Turned the ‘Rust’ Set Deadly | Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/how-the-gun-in-alec-baldwins-hands-turned-the-rust-set-deadly)

A much more objective and thorough discussion than some lawyers trying to present their clients' case.

Vanity Fair? Surely you jest! It should be named Vanity Fake! lol

[Soxman]

That is the most ridiculous argument you could possibly use. It is 100% his responsibility. ANYONE who is handling a weapon is supposed to make sure it is Safe. If you do NOT know how to do this, then Learn Before you take control of a weapon.

[Taltarzac725]

That is the most ridiculous argument you could possibly use. It is 100% his responsibility. ANYONE who is handling a weapon is supposed to make sure it is Safe. If you do NOT know how to do this, then Learn Before you take control of a weapon.

This is on a movie set. Others whose job is secure the weapons on the MOVIE SET made obvious mistakes.

[PugMom]

Probably. He was on a movie set and assumed the workers were doing their assigned jobs. I cannot see how that would amount to negligent homicide in a criminal case. If he were at his house and pointed a gun he thought was unloaded at a guest and it turned out to be loaded and went off and killed the guest then that would probably be criminal negligence.

yeah, this is a tough one. while i TRULY feel bad for him (I'm sure he didn't want to kill anyone) I'm seeing this stuff in the news about corners cut, and him not want to participate in a sort of arms training. i'd never point a gun @ someone i didnt intend to hit. maybe he needed to learn the serious respect a firearm needed, even if he thought it was unloaded. either way, he's screwed

[manaboutown]

This is on a movie set. Others whose job is secure the weapons on the MOVIE SET made obvious mistakes.

Alec's killing her may have occurred on a movie set but that does not excuse what happened.

Alec Baldwin did not check to see if the gun was loaded. A live round was in the chamber. He deliberately pointed the loaded gun at someone. He then pulled the trigger, shooting and killing her. Alec committed a homicide.

His killing her did not occur during the filming or rehearsal of a scene where one possibly could argue the armorer and other staff could be held responsible for checking the weapon. Alec killed her on his own hook. He was fooling around with a loaded gun he had failed to check for a live round in the chamber, pointed the loaded gun at a woman, pulled its trigger, and shot the poor woman. She was not an actor designated to be shot in a scene or indeed even an actor. It seems to me his actions could constitute negligent homicide under New Mexico law.

[JSR22]

This is on a movie set. Others whose job is secure the weapons on the MOVIE SET made obvious mistakes.
Totally agree. Hopefully, the charges
will be dropped.

[PugMom]

did you get to see that video re-creation made by the defense?

[DAVES]

I don't care for him but if you ask me I don't think he had any bad in his heart when he shot the gun. Temper or not, I don't think he's guilty.

What a shame for the lady who was killed and her family. I feel awful for them.

I suggest all read about the gun. It is actually an exact copy of an original. Baldwin CLAIMS he did not pull the trigger. That pistol simply will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. The first rule of gun safety is to treat every gun as if it is loaded and never point a gun at anyone UNLESS you intend to shoot them.

This COMPEX issue it truly simple Baldwin IS guilty. The only question is GUILTY of what and what is an APPROPRIATE PENALTY. She is dead no MONEY no time in jail can or will reverse that.

[DAVES]

Of course his movies and TV work have nothing to do with his personality.

An interesting problem of our legal system. Do the jurors like you should not have anything to do with the CRIME or the penalty. With so much publicity is a FAIR trial even possible. The attorneys, I'm the one who got Baldwin a verdict of innocent. Or I'm the one who got him tossed in a cell till if he ever works again, he will only get SENIOR parts.

We went through the Simpson trial. Were it me, could I have gotten that legal team? At say 300 an hour, EACH, I would have quickly gone through everything I own.

[JMintzer]

This is on a movie set. Others whose job is secure the weapons on the MOVIE SET made obvious mistakes.

It doesn't matter...

It the scene required him to put the gun to his own head, do you think he would have checked to see if it was safe?

If you answer yes, then he should check when pointing at anyone else.

If you said no, well... Never EVER pick up a gun...

[davem4616]

What happened on the set of Rust, was a tragedy

but life moves on

Alec Baldwin will survive...he'll eventually pay out some money, and a few attorneys will make a lot of money representing him in court

I like some of his early movies...not necessarily a fan of all he's done, nor the limited insight into his personal life / behavior that I have, only thru snippets I've read in the press, that may or may not like him, for whatever reason

...but we all have a few folks that we know, that we don't respect because of who they are, what they've done and their behavior

when all is said and done, Baldwin puts his pants on the same way we all do...he's just a Hollywood personality....whoop dee do

what happens to him, personally I don't care...I hope that he's treated fairly under the law and not given any special advantage because he's Hollywood star

[Taltarzac725]

I doubt if will get any special treatment especially given how much press this tragedy has received. Hollywood makes movies and they want these movies to be successful. The facts will surface even with some media distorting these as much as possible for reasons other than equity.

What happened on the set of Rust, was a tragedy

but life moves on

Alec Baldwin will survive...he'll eventually pay out some money, and a few attorneys will make a lot of money representing him in court

I like some of his early movies...not necessarily a fan of all he's done, nor the limited insight into his personal life / behavior that I have, only thru snippets I've read in the press, that may or may not like him, for whatever reason

...but we all have a few folks that we know, that we don't respect because of who they are, what they've done and their behavior

when all is said and done, Baldwin puts his pants on the same way we all do...he's just a Hollywood personality....whoop dee do

what happens to him, personally I don't care...I hope that he's treated fairly under the law and not given any special advantage because he's Hollywood star

[PugMom]

It doesn't matter...

It the scene required him to put the gun to his own head, do you think he would have checked to see if it was safe?

If you answer yes, then he should check when pointing at anyone else.

If you said no, well... Never EVER pick up a gun...

:mademyday: best post in this thread imo

[manaboutown]

I doubt if will get any special treatment especially given how much press this tragedy has received. Hollywood makes movies and they want these movies to be successful. The facts will surface even with some media distorting these as much as possible for reasons other than equity.

Alec may indeed get special treatment as New Mexico, one of the very poorest states, has worked desperately for over 20 years to attract the movie industry. The state quite literally pays companies to film there.

"Still, these ambitious projects come with their own costs. In 2019, New Mexico increased incentives, with the state now offering a rebate ranging from 25 percent to 35 percent of in-state film production costs. Cities like Albuquerque and Santa Fe also offer their own incentives in the race to lure productions.

The budget and accountability office of New Mexico’s Legislature recently warned that new production commitments by Netflix alone could raise tax credit payouts by tens of millions of dollars a year as the streaming giant expands operations.

As recently as 2019, Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a Democrat, overcame criticism from budget hawks in both parties to enact legislation expanding the incentives while paying off as much as $225 million already owed to the film industry."

From Westerns to ‘Stranger Things,’ Hollywood Is Big Business in New Mexico - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/new-mexico-movie-tv-production.html)

[Taltarzac725]

Rotten Tomatoes: Movies | TV Shows | Movie Trailers | Reviews - Rotten Tomatoes (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/alec_baldwin)

We will have to see if his list of movie credits grows.

Alec may indeed get special treatment as New Mexico, one of the very poorest states, has worked hard for over 20 years to attract the movie industry. The state quite literally pays companies to film there.

"Still, these ambitious projects come with their own costs. In 2019, New Mexico increased incentives, with the state now offering a rebate ranging from 25 percent to 35 percent of in-state film production costs. Cities like Albuquerque and Santa Fe also offer their own incentives in the race to lure productions.

The budget and accountability office of New Mexico’s Legislature recently warned that new production commitments by Netflix alone could raise tax credit payouts by tens of millions of dollars a year as the streaming giant expands operations.

As recently as 2019, Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a Democrat, overcame criticism from budget hawks in both parties to enact legislation expanding the incentives while paying off as much as $225 million already owed to the film industry."

From Westerns to ‘Stranger Things,’ Hollywood Is Big Business in New Mexico - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/new-mexico-movie-tv-production.html)

[dewilson58]

That pistol simply will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. The first rule of gun safety is to treat every gun as if it is loaded and never point a gun at anyone UNLESS you intend to shoot them.

This COMPEX issue it truly simple Baldwin IS guilty. The only question is GUILTY of what and what is an APPROPRIATE PENALTY. She is dead no MONEY no time in jail can or will reverse that.

Lot'a truth to this post.

:ho:

[manaboutown]

Rotten Tomatoes: Movies | TV Shows | Movie Trailers | Reviews - Rotten Tomatoes (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/alec_baldwin)

We will have to see if his list of movie credits grows.

I would not put it past the State of New Mexico to allow Alec, if convicted and imprisoned (which will not happen IMHO) to film from the State Penitentiary in Santa Fe! That is how much they do not want to lose even a tad of the movie industry.

It is an hour and fifty minute gate to gate flight between LAX and ABQ on commercial airline jet aircraft, easy-peasy for rank and file film industry people to commute to New Mexico. The executives and stars of course commute by private jet, an hour and a half wheels up to wheels down flight. NM enjoys a beautiful mild four seasons climate and is sunny and dry most of the time. Labor is cheap and available, indeed chomping at the bit for work in the film industry. The state is more than accommodating to the industry; it welcomes it with open arms and hugs it as hard as it can, not wanting to ever let go or lose any of it.

UNM now offers film industry related college degrees! Media Arts | College of Fine Arts | The University of New Mexico (https://finearts.unm.edu/academics/departments/film-and-digital-arts/media-arts/)

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin is trying to '''avoid liability and accountability''' for Hutchins''' death on '''Rust''' set, lawyer says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-avoid-liability-arbitration-demand-haylna-hutchins-death-rust-shooting)

[Taltarzac725]

Alec Baldwin is trying to '''avoid liability and accountability''' for Hutchins''' death on '''Rust''' set, lawyer says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-avoid-liability-arbitration-demand-haylna-hutchins-death-rust-shooting)

I put very little credibility on any FOX news segment and even less on what some lawyer puts out for his or her client.

[manaboutown]

I put very little credibility on any FOX news segment and even less on what some lawyer puts out for his or her client.

As I want the facts, not disinformation, misinformation, propaganda or some talking head's spin, I put more credibility on FOX than on any MSM.

[dewilson58]

As I want the facts, not disinformation, misinformation, propaganda or some talking head's spin, I put more credibility on FOX than on any MSM.

Agree.

I think it's best to listen to at least two channels, but a lot of time the liberal channels won't even discuss the issues.

[bilcon]

He has no blame in this as he does not supply the equipment used on the film set. Time will tell if some ******* tried to sabotage the film being made by putting live rounds in the guns used while filming. They shut down other movies being made in the same vicinity.

ANYONE WHO HANDLES A GUN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS/HER ACTIONS. :boom:

[manaboutown]

'Rust' Armorer Responds to Alec Baldwin Court Filing: He 'Broke All Rules and Common Sense' (https://www.westernjournal.com/rust-armorer-responds-alec-baldwin-court-filing-broke-rules-common-sense/)

[Taltarzac725]

Armorer on '''Rust''' set accuses Alec Baldwin, others of failing to follow safety procedures - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/armorer-rust-set-accuses-alec-baldwin-failing-follow/story?id=83422692)

This might get interesting.

[Aces4]

I put very little credibility on any FOX news segment and even less on what some lawyer puts out for his or her client.

I think that’s called “tunnel vision”.:icon_wink:

[manaboutown]

More nonsense and false claims from Alec: Alec Baldwin Bizarrely Claims He's Exonerated After 'Rust' Production Fined for Failure to Act on Gun Safety Hazards (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/04/20/alec-baldwin-bizarrely-claims-hes-exonerated-after-rust-production-fined-for-failure-to-act-on-gun-safety-hazards/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1LL0Tmek4xJKKksE-fwD275XKAE5Q_l1rYx9TvABsvq9ESRXJyA5YGoz0)

[PugMom]

More nonsense and false claims from Alec: Alec Baldwin Bizarrely Claims He's Exonerated After 'Rust' Production Fined for Failure to Act on Gun Safety Hazards (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/04/20/alec-baldwin-bizarrely-claims-hes-exonerated-after-rust-production-fined-for-failure-to-act-on-gun-safety-hazards/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1LL0Tmek4xJKKksE-fwD275XKAE5Q_l1rYx9TvABsvq9ESRXJyA5YGoz0)

he's going to try & manipulate information to reconcile with his interests. the guy looks desperate as can be. last nite i watched an older documentary when the story first broke, an episode of 20/20, called the deadly shot, or something like that. to date, i think it's got some very good coverage & insights from some of the film crew. alec knows he's in some bigtime trouble

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin's interview with deputies after Rust shooting (https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/video-alec-baldwins-interview-with-deputies-after-rust-shooting/)

[CFrance]

I think they're all at fault to some degree or other, and each one is trying to cover his or her own rear.

[jswirs]

I decided there is not enough info to comment....thread deleted.

He has no blame in this as he does not supply the equipment used on the film set. Time will tell if some ******* tried to sabotage the film being made by putting live rounds in the guns used while filming. They shut down other movies being made in the same vicinity.

Bottom line here is, loaded or unloaded, You NEVER point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, unless you are staging a film. The person he shot dead was not an actor, he had no business pointing a gun at a stage crew member, therefore his is complicit in this tragedy.

[Boston-Sean]

Lots of new info from the Cops in this article.

TOM LEONARD examines new footage of the shooting on Alec Baldwin movie set | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10757221/TOM-LEONARD-examines-new-footage-shooting-Alec-Baldwin-movie-set.html)

Including this:

Even if Baldwin was handed a loaded gun, industry insiders say that doesn't absolve him of responsibility. Hollywood actors' union guidelines specify no one should pick up a gun without checking it themselves and should never aim it directly at anyone.

--

The union guidelines that Baldwin ignored mirror basic gun safety rules. Which as a gun owner himself, Baldwin knew.

Does anyone think that if the scene called for him to cock the gun and put it to his own head that he wouldn't have checked himself to make sure it wasn't loaded? Of course he would have, with his own life on the line. But he didn't when it was just someone else's life.

[manaboutown]

Nobody is ‘off the hook’ for '''Rust''' shooting, sheriff says (https://www.today.com/video/nobody-is-off-the-hook-for-rust-shooting-sheriff-says-138635333703)

[Taltarzac725]

Ireland Baldwin On Mental Health, Anxiety And Dad Alec Baldwin (https://www.today.com/parents/dads/ireland-baldwin-red-table-alec-baldwin-rcna26270)

Kind of interesting.

[manaboutown]

Prosecutors await forensics in Alec Baldwin shooting
Weapon analysis, cellphone data and more still outstanding
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SANTA FE — The investigation into the fatal film-set shooting of a cinematographer by actor Alec Baldwin is ongoing, and the New Mexico prosecutor overseeing the case says authorities are awaiting the analysis of key forensic evidence before a decision can be made about whether criminal charges will be filed.
First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies provided the update in a social media post Wednesday, saying her office has received only portions of the investigation from the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office.
Still outstanding is forensic analysis of the weapon, a review of data from Baldwin’s cellphone and more from the FBI and state medical examiners.
The screening process by prosecutors will begin once sheriff’s investigators receive the information and complete their supplemental reports. To expedite the process, Carmack-Altwies has retained a special prosecutor — retired 9th Judicial District Attorney Andrea Reeb from eastern New Mexico, who has more than two decades of experience.
“To remain transparent to the local and national community, the (district attorney’s office) will proactively disseminate information as it becomes available,” Carmack-Altwies said.
A live round of ammunition killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza during rehearsal on Oct. 21, 2021. Filming for the Western “Rust” took place at a ranch on the outskirts of the city of Santa Fe.
In records released so far, investigators described complacency, disorganization and neglected safety measures in the making of the low-budget movie.
The videos released by investigators show a debriefing with Baldwin hours after the fatal shooting and rehearsal clips that show Baldwin in costume as



Mary Carmack- Altwies
he practiced a quick-draw maneuver with a gun.
Baldwin had told investigators that as the gun went off, he was unaware initially that Hutchins would die and was shocked to learn that he had been holding a gun loaded with live ammunition. Baldwin, who also was a producer on the film, had said the gun should have been empty for a rehearsal with no filming.
In April, New Mexico’s Occupational Health and Safety Bureau delivered a scathing narrative of safety failures in violation of standard industry protocols. It included testimony that production managers took limited or no action to address two previous misfires on the set, complaints from crew members that went unheeded, and reports that weapons specialists were not allowed to make decisions about additional safety training.
Rust Movie Productions is disputing the findings and the sanction.

From The Albuquerque Journal, 8/5/22

[Speedie]

I decided there is not enough info to comment....thread deleted.

Involuntary manslaughter
Person was killed. Yes likely accident but thats what involuntary means

[BlueStarAirlines]

The thread was almost dead, but it has been brought back to life to live another day! :a040:

[Taltarzac725]

The thread was almost dead, but it has been brought back to life to live another day! :a040:

Alec Baldwin - latest news, breaking stories and comment - The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/alec-baldwin)

I do not see any news on that event.

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ shooting investigation moves forward as FBI completes forensic reports | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-investigation-moves-forward-fbi-completes-forensic-reports?fbclid=IwAR0t9zeLdOHsaQhIwp5JXSzve-jdqlJlNGLVznUUWDWcJUh6OCAPPFN9SqM)

[New Englander]

I saw on the news that the FBI has concluded that the trigger was pulled. They tried to get the gun to fire the way Baldwin says it did but it would only fire when the trigger was pulled.

[manaboutown]

FBI forensic report concludes Alec Baldwin pulled trigger on '''Rust''' set: report | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/fbi-forensic-report-concludes-alec-baldwin-pulled-trigger-rust-set)

'Who is Alec Baldwin?' examines actor's fame, many scandals: 'Zero capacity to care' (https://nypost.com/2022/07/26/who-is-alec-baldwin-examines-actors-fame-many-scandals-zero-capacity-to-care/)

[Taltarzac725]

What forensic testing reveals about revolver in on-set '''Rust''' shooting - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-rust-shooting-fired-pulling-trigger-fbi-report/story?id=88311336)

We will see how this plays out.

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin'''s '''Rust''' producers get main claims dismissed in suit from script supervisor | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-producers-get-main-claims-dismissed-suit-script-supervisor)

[Taltarzac725]

Alec Baldwin filmography - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin_filmography)

He is still making movies. 4 coming out next year or later.

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin filmography - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin_filmography)

He is still making movies. 4 coming out next year or later.

Maybe so but sadly Halyna Hutchins, the woman Alec shot and killed, won't be making any more movies.

[Taltarzac725]

Maybe so but sadly Halyna Hutchins, the woman Alec shot and killed, won't be making any more movies.

Shot and killed by accident while not knowing the gun was loaded with bullets.

[manaboutown]

Shot and killed by accident while not knowing the gun was loaded with bullets.

Alec pointed the gun at her. He allegedly did not check to see if the revolver was loaded which is basic gun safety that should be known by every child in the land. He then pulled the trigger, shooting and killing her.

Halyna Hutchins will not be making any more movies because Alec shot and killed her.

[Taltarzac725]

Alec pointed the gun at her. He did not check to see if the revolver was loaded which is basic gun safety that should be known by every child in the land. He then pulled the trigger, shooting and killing her.

He was handed a pistol by a prop person on a movie set. Big difference. Crew member yelled 'cold gun' as he handed Alec Baldwin prop weapon, court document shows - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html)

[manaboutown]

He was handed a pistol by a prop person on a movie set. Big difference. Crew member yelled 'cold gun' as he handed Alec Baldwin prop weapon, court document shows - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html)

CNN? lol

[manaboutown]

Alec did not shoot this lady during an actual filming or even a rehearsal. He was fooling around on the set with a loaded revolver he had failed to check, pointed it at her, pulled the trigger, shooting and killing her.

And then to compound matters he has repeatedly lied stating that he did not pull the trigger. FBI forensic report concludes Alec Baldwin pulled trigger on '''Rust''' set: report (https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fbi-forensic-report-concludes-alec-baldwin-pulled-trigger-on-rust-set-report)

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin could soon face charges for deadly '''Rust''' shooting: DA (https://www.foxla.com/news/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-charges)

[dewilson58]

Alec Baldwin could soon face charges for deadly '''Rust''' shooting: DA (https://www.foxla.com/news/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-charges)

Thanks for the update.
He should be charged..............no Hollywood games........he pulled the trigger.

[Taltarzac725]

Thanks for the update.
He should be charged..............no Hollywood games........he pulled the trigger.

With no intent to kill nor harm. And on a movie set where the responsibility was on someone else to assure that the weapon was not loaded with live rounds with bullets in them.

[JD Tremor]

Gun safety is solely the responsibility of the one holding the weapon. PERIOD.

[Kenswing]

With no intent to kill nor harm. And on a movie set where the responsibility was on someone else to assure that the weapon was not loaded with live rounds with bullets in them.

Come on Tal, you’ve been to law school. You know that lack of intent doesn’t absolve negligence. He should face negligent homicide charges. Doesn’t matter who handed him the gun. He’s the one who is ultimately responsible for what that gun did.

[Taltarzac725]

Come on Tal, you’ve been to law school. You know that lack of intent doesn’t absolve negligence. He should face negligent homicide charges. Doesn’t matter who handed him the gun. He’s the one who is ultimately responsible for what that gun did.

New Mexico Statutes Section 30-2-3 (2018) - Manslaughter. :: 2018 New Mexico Statutes :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia (https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/2018/chapter-30/article-2/section-30-2-3/)

Baldwin did not have any reasonable expectation to view the firearm as loaded as he was on a movie set which had a person assigned to weapon safety.

B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

Facts matter.

[UpNorth]

They use plenty of fake replica items during the filming of a movie. No reason for a real gun to be anywhere on that set. Unless you needed one that only fired blanks.

[manaboutown]

New Mexico Statutes Section 30-2-3 (2018) - Manslaughter. :: 2018 New Mexico Statutes :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia (https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/2018/chapter-30/article-2/section-30-2-3/)

Baldwin did not have any reasonable expectation to view the firearm as loaded as he was on a movie set which had a person assigned to weapon safety.



Facts matter.

New Mexico is notorious for going very easy on killers. Perhaps that is one reason there have been 100 homicides in Albuquerque so far this year. Alec will walk. That will not excuse his culpability as he failed to check for a live round in the weapon then carelessly aimed the weapon at the lady and pulled the trigger.

Then he lied, claiming he had not pulled the trigger. The FBI lab proved he had pulled the trigger. What a guy!

APD: homicides at record pace after 100th homicide in 2022 (https://www.koat.com/article/homicide-in-southeast-abq/41379558#)

In the long run facts and laws do indeed matter. Hollywood rules, regulations and procedures do not.

[JMintzer]

They use plenty of fake replica items during the filming of a movie. No reason for a real gun to be anywhere on that set. Unless you needed one that only fired blanks.

A gun that fires blanks will also fire regular rounds...

[dewilson58]

A gun that fires blanks will also fire regular rounds...

Sometimes.............and if it does, MOST of the time the gun has been modified.

[JMintzer]

Sometimes.............and if it does, MOST of the time the gun has been modified.

Most times... Especially in revolvers with ZERO modifications...

In semi-automatics, a blank cartridge will not cycle the weapon...

[Nucky]

Justice here is the key. Who pulled the trigger?

[fdpaq0580]

Sometimes.............and if it does, MOST of the time the gun has been modified.

No need for a closeup shot while aiming at anyone. Photo shot of several people they wouldn't need an exact replica, a "stunt double" for the gun would work fine. Whether the gun could fire live ammo or not is not what I am currious about. What I want to know is, WHO is the idiot that thought it was acceptable to bring live ammo to the venue. Certainly, the person who provided the ammo and loaded the gun is just as, if not more, responsible for this horrible incident as the idiot that thought he was playing with a harmless gun.

[Taltarzac725]

No need for a closeup shot while aiming at anyone. Photo shot of several people they wouldn't need an exact replica, a "stunt double" for the gun would work fine. Whether the gun could fire live ammo or not is not what I am currious about. What I want to know is, WHO is the idiot that thought it was acceptable to bring live ammo to the venue. Certainly, the person who provided the ammo and loaded the gun is just as, if not more, responsible for this horrible incident as the idiot that thought he was playing with a harmless gun.

Making a movie; not playing.

[dewilson58]

Most times... Especially in revolvers with ZERO modifications...

In semi-automatics, a blank cartridge will not cycle the weapon...

:1rotfl:

[Boston-Sean]

In semi-automatics, a blank cartridge will not cycle the weapon...

A firearm doesn't need to cycle to fire a single shot.

[Boston-Sean]

All the Baldwin defenders should ask themselves this question:

If the script had called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head do you think he would have taken the word of someone else that it was unloaded or would he have checked it himself?

Keep in mind that he's a gun owner himself and knows how to verify that a gun is unloaded. A task that would take less than 5 seconds.

[fdpaq0580]

Making a movie; not playing.

Fine. Doesn't really matter. Who brought the ammunition and loaded the gun? There is culpability there.
Old question that goes as follows, " if a chimpanzee is given a loaded gun and the chimpanzee shoots someone, who is responsible? The chimp, or the person that gave it a loaded gun?"

[Taltarzac725]

All the Baldwin defenders should ask themselves this question:

If the script had called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head do you think he would have taken the word of someone else that it was unloaded or would he have checked it himself?

Keep in mind that he's a gun owner himself and knows how to verify that a gun is unloaded. A task that would take less than 5 seconds.

People including actors have been killed doing that.

[Taltarzac725]

Fine. Doesn't really matter. Who brought the ammunition and loaded the gun? There is culpability there.
Old question that goes as follows, " if a chimpanzee is given a loaded gun and the chimpanzee shoots someone, who is responsible? The chimp, or the person that gave it a loaded gun?"

Baldwin is not a chimp. He is a chump at times.

[fdpaq0580]

Baldwin is not a chimp. He is a chump at times.

Personally, I'm inclined to think he is a bit of both. 😀

[Kenswing]

All the Baldwin defenders should ask themselves this question:

If the script had called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head do you think he would have taken the word of someone else that it was unloaded or would he have checked it himself?

Keep in mind that he's a gun owner himself and knows how to verify that a gun is unloaded. A task that would take less than 5 seconds.
Or if it was one of their own family members would they be so forgiving.

[PugMom]

Making a movie; not playing.

i read somewhere they were doing shooting practice with real guns for after-hours activity. why??

[PugMom]

Alec Baldwin's Gun in Rust Shooting Used for Target Practice: Report (https://people.com/movies/alec-baldwins-gun-in-rust-shooting-used-for-target-practice-by-crew-report/) ,

[fdpaq0580]

All the Baldwin defenders should ask themselves this question:

If the script had called for Baldwin to point the gun at his own head do you think he would have taken the word of someone else that it was unloaded or would he have checked it himself?

Keep in mind that he's a gun owner himself and knows how to verify that a gun is unloaded. A task that would take less than 5 seconds.

Certainly not defending Baldwin. Just believe that the person(s) providing ammo and loading the gun with live ammo also share heavily, if not equally, in the responsibility for this tragedy.

[fdpaq0580]

i read somewhere they were doing shooting practice with real guns for after-hours activity. why??

Assuming for the same reasons folks go to Shooters World. Still, the guns used in movies should never be used for live rounds, ever.

[Boston-Sean]

Certainly not defending Baldwin. Just believe that the person(s) providing ammo and loading the gun with live ammo also share heavily, if not equally, in the responsibility for this tragedy.

From press reports it sounds like multiple people are going to be charged. I'm good with that. But Baldwin is the one who is most responsible.

[Boston-Sean]

A few years ago I took an advanced pistol class at Sig Sauer academy in New Hampshire taught by a guest instructor who is a former world champion. He now runs his own company and if you are a serious shooter you would recognize his name.

Anyway, in the initial safety briefing before we hit the range he told a story about a class he'd given years prior at the Sig Academy. Near the end of the day a student was having problems with his pistol so this guy lent the student his pistol to finish the day.

At the end of the day everyone cleared their pistols and the student returned the loaner to the instructor who cased it up until the next morning. That next morning the instructor stood in front of the class and before demonstrating a dry fire technique he racked the slide to show that the pistol was clear.

Except a live round ejected from the pistol.

That is a MAJOR safety violation. At first the instructor was furious at the student but it didn't take him long to place the blame where it belonged. On himself. He took possession of the pistol, it was his responsibility to know its status.

He nearly lost his teaching privileges at the academy. Probably should have.

[Taltarzac725]

A few years ago I took an advanced pistol class at Sig Sauer academy in New Hampshire taught by a guest instructor who is a former world champion. He now runs his own company and if you are a serious shooter you would recognize his name.

Anyway, in the initial safety briefing before we hit the range he told a story about a class he'd given years prior at the Sig Academy. Near the end of the day a student was having problems with his pistol so this guy lent the student his pistol to finish the day.

At the end of the day everyone cleared their pistols and the student returned the loaner to the instructor who cased it up until the next morning. That next morning the instructor stood in front of the class and before demonstrating a dry fire technique he racked the slide to show that the pistol was clear.

Except a live round ejected from the pistol.

That is a MAJOR safety violation. At first the instructor was furious at the student but it didn't take him long to place the blame where it belonged. On himself. He took possession of the pistol, it was his responsibility to know its status.

He nearly lost his teaching privileges at the academy. Probably should have.

Scary. Any lawyer would have been licking her chops if some harm had occurred.

[fdpaq0580]

A few years ago I took an advanced pistol class at Sig Sauer academy in New Hampshire taught by a guest instructor who is a former world champion. He now runs his own company and if you are a serious shooter you would recognize his name.

Anyway, in the initial safety briefing before we hit the range he told a story about a class he'd given years prior at the Sig Academy. Near the end of the day a student was having problems with his pistol so this guy lent the student his pistol to finish the day.

At the end of the day everyone cleared their pistols and the student returned the loaner to the instructor who cased it up until the next morning. That next morning the instructor stood in front of the class and before demonstrating a dry fire technique he racked the slide to show that the pistol was clear.

Except a live round ejected from the pistol.

That is a MAJOR safety violation. At first the instructor was furious at the student but it didn't take him long to place the blame where it belonged. On himself. He took possession of the pistol, it was his responsibility to know its status.

He nearly lost his teaching privileges at the academy. Probably should have.

Major teaching opportunity. Even experts can, and DO, make mistakes. Is it any surprise that average folks sometimes screw up, sometimes with deadly results.

That instructor will never forget that lesson and will probably put special emphasis on clearing your weapon and to NEVER assume it had been done correctly if you didn't do it yourself.

[Boston-Sean]

Major teaching opportunity. Even experts can, and DO, make mistakes. Is it any surprise that average folks sometimes screw up, sometimes with deadly results.

That instructor will never forget that lesson and will probably put special emphasis on clearing your weapon and to NEVER assume it had been done correctly if you didn't do it yourself.

Yes, that was the reason he told the story. To emphasize being sure you know the status of your firearm.

Standard Sig academy policy is to have someone else check that your firearm is clear before your gun is declared safe. You check it, then you present the action open firearm to whoever is next to you so they can check it too. I think that works for lower level classes but in advanced classes it's easy to take for granted that the gun is clear and the other guy will catch it if it isn't.

I took another class from a current national champion not at the Sig facility where his policy was only the person in possession of the firearm would verify that it was clear. Driving home the point that it's always your responsibility no matter what someone else tells you. That makes more sense to me.

BTW, that applies in gun stores too. After a minimum wage clerk checks a firearm and then hands it to you if the first thing you do isn't checking it again yourself you are making the same mistake Baldwin made. And you would be in the same legal jam if something goes wrong.

[Taltarzac725]

Take this report with some skepticism. It may just be a slow news day.

[Boston-Sean]

Even experts can, and DO, make mistakes.

Oh for sure. This is an all time classic. A DEA agent giving a school talk on gun safety:

"I'm the only one in this room qualified to handle this gun" You can guess what happens next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ain2by4Fums

[Boston-Sean]

Even experts can, and DO, make mistakes.
yourself.


This happened a few years ago in Punta Gorda. Some good advice in this piece. Never agree to take part in a police training exercise.

Punta Gorda Police Couldn't Tell Blanks From Wadcutters When He Shot Librarian – Bearing Arms (https://bearingarms.com/bobowens-bearingarms/2017/03/16/punta-gorda-police-couldnt-tell-blanks-wadcutters-shot-librarian-n29398)

[JMintzer]

A firearm doesn't need to cycle to fire a single shot.

Never said it did...

[JMintzer]

:1rotfl:

Instead of laughing, prove me wrong... I'll wait...

[JMintzer]

i read somewhere they were doing shooting practice with real guns for after-hours activity. why??

They were all "real" guns...

And yes, they were target shooting after hours. A really stupid decision...

[JMintzer]

Assuming for the same reasons folks go to Shooters World. Still, the guns used in movies should never be used for live rounds, ever.

The only difference between the guns that fire blanks and the guns that fire real ammo is the ammo...

There is no reason EVER to have live ammo on set...

[JMintzer]

A few years ago I took an advanced pistol class at Sig Sauer academy in New Hampshire taught by a guest instructor who is a former world champion. He now runs his own company and if you are a serious shooter you would recognize his name.

Anyway, in the initial safety briefing before we hit the range he told a story about a class he'd given years prior at the Sig Academy. Near the end of the day a student was having problems with his pistol so this guy lent the student his pistol to finish the day.

At the end of the day everyone cleared their pistols and the student returned the loaner to the instructor who cased it up until the next morning. That next morning the instructor stood in front of the class and before demonstrating a dry fire technique he racked the slide to show that the pistol was clear.

Except a live round ejected from the pistol.

That is a MAJOR safety violation. At first the instructor was furious at the student but it didn't take him long to place the blame where it belonged. On himself. He took possession of the pistol, it was his responsibility to know its status.

He nearly lost his teaching privileges at the academy. Probably should have.

At least he checked it before "dry firing" it...

[fdpaq0580]

The only difference between the guns that fire blanks and the guns that fire real ammo is the ammo...

There is no reason EVER to have live ammo on set...

Agree! My point about "movie" guns never being used with live ammo is that, as a movie prop there is no legit reason to use it with live ammo. If live ammo is never used, the possibility of an ammo screw up is lessened. That does NOT mean that proper safety precautions don't need to be followed to the letter.

[manaboutown]

The cinematographer's family has settled its lawsuit against Baldwin and the Rust producers.

‘Rust’ Settlement: Halyna Hutchins’ Family Settles Wrongful Death Suit Over Shooting – The Hollywood Reporter (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/halyna-hutchins-family-settles-wrongful-death-suit-over-rust-shooting-1235233791/)

[Caymus]

The cinematographer's family has settled its lawsuit against Baldwin and the Rust producers.

‘Rust’ Settlement: Halyna Hutchins’ Family Settles Wrongful Death Suit Over Shooting – The Hollywood Reporter (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/halyna-hutchins-family-settles-wrongful-death-suit-over-rust-shooting-1235233791/)

I find it strange that they are going to resume filming.

[manaboutown]

I find it strange that they are going to resume filming.

So do I. It seems callous, especially as it is a very low budget production.

It may be all about the money - Surprise! Surprise! The notoriety of Alec killing someone on the set will substantially increase box office receipts on an otherwise blah budget oater. The huge increase in income from the killing of the lady on the set will probably more than cover the settlement costs to her family.

[Caymus]

So do I. It seems callous, especially as it is a very low budget production.

It may be all about the money - Surprise! Surprise! The notoriety of Alec killing someone on the set will substantially increase box office receipts on an otherwise blah budget oater. The huge increase in income from the killing of the lady on the set will probably more than cover the settlement costs to her family.

Her husband must have received much $$$$$$. His statements from a few months ago changed 180 degrees.

[Byte1]

Alec Baldwin was told gun was "cold" before fatal movie set shooting, court records show - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alec-baldwin-shooting-cold-gun-court-records/)

Some actors were in the military and have been around guns a lot and some hunt and some probably have very large gun collections.

Have no idea about Alec Baldwin though. There seem to be a lot of gross generalizations going around.

Alec Baldwin shooting: what we know so far - France 24 (https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211022-alec-baldwin-shooting-what-we-know-so-far)

Ever heard the expression "ignorance is no excuse" when it comes to law?

[retiredguy123]

You may not lIke Alec Baldwin. But, it was an accident. Not a crime. Leave the guy alone. My opinion.

[manaboutown]

"At least four other lawsuits brought by crew members remain, and the state of New Mexico has granted funds to pay for possible criminal prosecutions."

From: Lawsuit settled, film may resume after Alec Baldwin shooting (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rust-cinematographer-lawsuit-settled-filming-151722936.html)

[Taltarzac725]

You may not lIke Alec Baldwin. But, it was an accident. Not a crime. Leave the guy alone. My opinion.

Sounds like they are going to make the movie Rust partly as a tribute to the woman who lost her life due to this accident.

[manaboutown]

Sounds like they are going to make the movie Rust partly as a tribute to the woman who lost her life due to this accident.

The woman Alec shot and killed?

Some tribute! They are making the movie as it will now bring in a huge amount of money because Alec notoriously shot and killed a woman on the set. It is all about the money in Hollywood as well as a lot of other places. They still have four other civil lawsuits and possibly criminal cases brought by the state with which to deal. They will need deep pockets to handle all that.

A proper tribute would be not making the movie. She died; let the movie die.

"According to a document obtained by the Santa Fe New Mexican, the district attorney said if charges are warranted, her office plans to prosecute up to four people. She named actor and ‘Rust’ movie producer Alec Baldwin as one of the possible defendants.

“With that, in each of those charges, we will probably include some variation of our homicide statute,” Carmack-Altwies said during the meeting. "

From: State grants half of requested funding to DA for potential 'Rust' prosecutions - KOB.com (https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/state-grants-half-of-requested-funding-to-da-for-potential-rust-prosecutions/)

[JMintzer]

You may not lIke Alec Baldwin. But, it was an accident. Not a crime. Leave the guy alone. My opinion.

No, it was negligence...

[dewilson58]

Instead of laughing, prove me wrong... I'll wait...

Let me repeat

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

Let me repeat

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Still waiting after the last time I made that request...

[fdpaq0580]

No, it was negligence...

It maybe just a matter of semantics, but doesn't "negligence" cause "accidents"?
😶

[Kenswing]

It maybe just a matter of semantics, but doesn't "negligence" cause "accidents"?
😶
Negligence causes preventable accidents where fault is easily assigned.

[JMintzer]

It maybe just a matter of semantics, but doesn't "negligence" cause "accidents"?
😶

Ever hear of "criminal negligence"?

[jaj523]

Alec Baldwin WAS the producer. He can be charged with negligent homicide because gun handling procedures were NOt followed. The buck stopped with him.

[Get real]

Lock him up. He killed an innocent woman.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

He didn’t do himself any favors by claiming that he never pulled the trigger. It is impossible for that type of gun to fire without pulling the trigger.
If he lied about that, what else is he lying about?

[manaboutown]

"(Reuters) - When Western movie "Rust" resumes filming it will not be in New Mexico, the state where actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot the film's cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in 2021, a lawyer for the production company said on Thursday."

"New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies has said she may make a decision this month on possible criminal charges. Investigators have focused on who handled the pistol Baldwin fired."

From: 'Rust' filming will not return to New Mexico after shooting (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rust-filming-not-return-mexico-160055010.html)

[manaboutown]

One year ago today Alec Baldwin shot and killed Halyna Hutchins.

Alec Baldwin'''s '''Rust''' shooting: Where the investigation stands one year later | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwins-rust-shooting-where-investigation-1-year-later?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1gh5nQSlpRazYomYbKNvhHnEm_AnvwfvUKxsKEt qpAgmru5Uh_ErAiH7Y)

[Taltarzac725]

One year ago today Alec Baldwin shot and killed Halyna Hutchins.

Alec Baldwin'''s '''Rust''' shooting: Where the investigation stands one year later | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwins-rust-shooting-where-investigation-1-year-later?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1gh5nQSlpRazYomYbKNvhHnEm_AnvwfvUKxsKEt qpAgmru5Uh_ErAiH7Y)


Fox News has very little credibility for me.

[manaboutown]

Fox News has very little credibility for me.

FOX is fair and balanced and reports the facts unlike the MSM which is mostly fake news, a propaganda machine.

[manaboutown]

Decision on charges in fatal '''Rust''' shooting to be announced Thursday, district attorney says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/decision-charges-fatal-rust-shooting-to-be-announced-thursday-district-attorney-says?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR2-2W89PwlVz-Xw8Vf_jZhWoZnX5tGeNSlBP8lYOGJhvKjgW1OxE_nUWEc)

[Taltarzac725]

New Mexico D.A. to Announce Decision on 'Rust' Charges Thursday - Variety (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/rust-charges-thursday-alec-baldwin-mary-carmack-altwies-1235493788/)

Hard to predict how the DA will proceed.

Investigators have already released reams of evidence in the case, including video interviews and crime scene photographs. The investigation found that the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, loaded Baldwin’s gun with a live round instead of a dummy round. The rounds had similar markings, but were different colors. Other live rounds were also found on the set, including one in Baldwin’s holster.

[Boston-Sean]

Negligent homicide sounds about right.

Go back and read all my posts if you want to know why he was charged with that.

I mean. Not to brag or anything.

[manaboutown]

Looks like old Alec is getting off easy. No surprise to me as I understand to some degree how things work or more accurately do not work in NM. Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal '''Rust''' shooting: district attorney | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-fatal-rust-shooting-district-attorney)

[Taltarzac725]

What'''s next for Alec Baldwin after '''Rust''' criminal charges - Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-01-19/alec-baldwin-future-rust-criminal-charges-hutchins-involuntary-manslaughter)

We will have to see what the jury does with this. It does look like Baldwin will not be pleading guilty.

In a statement following the announcement, an attorney for Baldwin, Luke Nikas, said, “This decision distorts Halyna Hutchins’s tragic death and represents a terrible miscarriage of justice. Mr. Baldwin had no reason to believe there was a live bullet in the gun — or anywhere on the movie set. He relied on the professionals with whom he worked, who assured him the gun did not have live rounds. We will fight these charges, and we will win.”

[tvbound]

I believe the charges filed against the people involved are completely justified and that they should/will be found guilty, if they're dumb enough to even want a jury trial - instead of pleading out. Although there's a lot of culpability from a number of different people involved in this easily preventable death, it is interesting watching those who are driven by pure emotional hate/bias toward just one of them...which is not based on this particular incident.

[Caymus]

Did he settle all the civil lawsuits or are any pending?

[Two Bills]

I believe the charges filed against the people involved are completely justified and that they should/will be found guilty, if they're dumb enough to even want a jury trial - instead of pleading out. Although there's a lot of culpability from a number of different people involved in this easily preventable death, it is interesting watching those who are driven by pure emotional hate/bias toward just one of them...which is not based on this particular incident.

Guilty by politics?

[manaboutown]

Looks like at worst (for him) old Alec can only get sentenced to 18 months in prison, just a slap on the wrist for shooting the woman to death. IMHO he ought to have to do 18 years if convicted.

Alec Baldwin Faces Up to 18 Months in Jail if Convicted in 'Rust' Shooting (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/01/19/alec-baldwin-faces-up-to-18-months-in-jail-if-convicted-in-rust-shooting/?fbclid=IwAR0mvWAJHkzlJMP3HPfw2PF-GLiewUAdKxye6xRt1R20q13yowSxeqOBHXs)

[Taltarzac725]

Opinion: Charging Alec Baldwin is a pretty surprising move | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/20/opinions/alec-baldwin-manslaughter-charges-rust-filipovic/index.html)

I tend to agree with this writer but we will see what the jury finds.