Alec Baldwin in lose/lose situation!

[Whitley]

Guilty by politics?

What are you talking about?

I dislike him based on in person interactions. Guy is unhinged (he may feel the same about me). Thought the rules did not apply to him. Even during the Summer when at the Hamptons I couldn't get away from him. Just because I feel he is a jerk doesn't mean he deserves to be jailed (although it does make a nice fantasy. Jail the jerks). We will see if he was negligent during the trial. I'd "guess" he will plea for no time.

[Taltarzac725]

What are you talking about?

I dislike him based on in person interactions. Guy is unhinged (he may feel the same about me). Thought the rules did not apply to him. Even during the Summer when at the Hamptons I couldn't get away from him. Just because I feel he is a jerk doesn't mean he deserves to be jailed (although it does make a nice fantasy. Jail the jerks). We will see if he was negligent during the trial. I'd "guess" he will plea for no time.

I heard that Gene Rayburn was also kind of that way. This from my relatives who lived near him. He did not seem to care about the wake of his boat. https://www.premierboating.com/wake-responsibility-and-you/

[manaboutown]

Legal Experts Advise Alec Baldwin to Keep His Mouth Shut (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/01/20/legal-experts-advise-alec-baldwin-to-keep-his-mouth-shut/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0aMgCgL0g0yj6W9uOw8FRgF8QTcwDZ0eEmNKRkV kObzdfbUxiIstAdoEY)

[jimjamuser]

Maybe not....he was the producer for the film AND the union folks walked of the set that same morning citing safety concerns...he could have a whole lot of responsibility in this besides just pulling the trigger.

Replacement worker was in charge of Alec Baldwin's deadly prop gun (https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/replacement-non-union-worker-was-in-charge-of-alec-baldwins-deadly-prop-gun/)
That's probably true. I imagine this may end up with a lot of controversy and TV time just like in the OJ trial. I agree about pointing ANY gun at a person, especially when it was just like a walkthrough practice. Mr. Baldwin did what lawyers never want their clients to do - run their mouths about the situation.
......One thing that I wonder about is why is it NOT POSSIBLE to produce a gun barrel that would let fire and smoke out of the front for realism while still stopping or, at least, seriously slowing down the velocity of a lead bullet if one was mistakenly put into the gun. it would seem difficult to do, but NOT impossible.

[Byte1]

Baldwin has been charged with involuntary manslaughter, apparently. If so, I predict he will be found guilty (probably by plea bargain) and he will receive a slap on the wrist, probation, fine and community service.

[Veiragirl]

I don't care for him but if you ask me I don't think he had any bad in his heart when he shot the gun. Temper or not, I don't think he's guilty.

What a shame for the lady who was killed and her family. I feel awful for them.

Totally agree. Maybe now he and his wife will stop reproducing

[Boston-Sean]

Looks like at worst (for him) old Alec can only get sentenced to 18 months in prison, just a slap on the wrist for shooting the woman to death. IMHO he ought to have to do 18 years if convicted.

Alec Baldwin Faces Up to 18 Months in Jail if Convicted in 'Rust' Shooting (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/01/19/alec-baldwin-faces-up-to-18-months-in-jail-if-convicted-in-rust-shooting/?fbclid=IwAR0mvWAJHkzlJMP3HPfw2PF-GLiewUAdKxye6xRt1R20q13yowSxeqOBHXs)

Prosecutors added a "Firearms enhancement" charge which is an additional mandatory 5 years if he's convicted.

So if he's convicted he's going to do real time.

[Taltarzac725]

Prosecutors added a "Firearms enhancement" charge which is an additional mandatory 5 years if he's convicted.

So if he's convicted he's going to do real time.

How strong is the criminal case against Alec Baldwin? (https://www.kcra.com/article/how-strong-criminal-case-alec-baldwin/42596804)

It will depend a lot on the jury. The case looks weak IMHO. But the jury could find either way. I have been surprised so many times by a jury's findings.

[fishon]

The trial will be grossly overblown by the media and spun into a national gun control diatribe.

[Boston-Sean]

How strong is the criminal case against Alec Baldwin? (https://www.kcra.com/article/how-strong-criminal-case-alec-baldwin/42596804)

It will depend a lot on the jury. The case looks weak IMHO. But the jury could find either way. I have been surprised so many times by a jury's findings.

Baldwin didn't check the gun before he pointed it and pulled the trigger. If I was the prosecutor I would ask the jury if they think Baldwin would not have checked the gun if the script called for him to point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger.

[Taltarzac725]

Baldwin didn't check the gun before he pointed it and pulled the trigger. If I was the prosecutor I would ask the jury if they think Baldwin would not have checked the gun if the script called for him to point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger.

Not his job on a movie set. In my own house I always try to keep the weapon pointed down and treat it as if it were loaded at all times. And never point it any where near a person, dog, cat, or whatever living thing that is around.

[JMintzer]

I don't care what anyone says... I will ALWAYS stand behind Alec Baldwin!

[Taltarzac725]

I don't care what anyone says... I will ALWAYS stand behind Alec Baldwin!

I like a lot of his work.

[fishon]

I understood a very different meaning.😎

[JMintzer]

I like a lot of his work.

https://media.tenor.com/Bv3cdY_KItsAAAAM/joke-missed.gif

[JMintzer]

I understood a very different meaning.😎

https://media.tenor.com/J04VASmvcLAAAAAM/barney-stinson-wink.gif

[Taltarzac725]

https://media.tenor.com/Bv3cdY_KItsAAAAM/joke-missed.gif

Yes I got it but.....:read:

[MorTech]

No jury is going to convict him of manslaughter...The DA knows this.
It will go to civil trial after.

[ThirdOfFive]

The trial will be grossly overblown by the media and spun into a national gun control diatribe.
No truer words have ever been spoken (or written).

[Taltarzac725]

No jury is going to convict him of manslaughter...The DA knows this.
It will go to civil trial after.

Happened already. Alec Baldwin reaches settlement with Halyna Hutchins' family | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/05/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-settlement/index.html)

[Whitley]

I like a lot of his work.


I think you are missing the point

[Taltarzac725]

I think you are missing the point

I got the point.

[Whitley]

I like a lot of his work.

Baldwin and his wife are a couple of low end losers. Very nasty people who feel they are better than everyone else. More than half the building despise him.

[Whitley]

I heard that Gene Rayburn was also kind of that way. This from my relatives who lived near him. He did not seem to care about the wake of his boat. https://www.premierboating.com/wake-responsibility-and-you/

Gene Rayburn. Never met him but I do remember watching him on Matchgame as a kid. He was a bit cringe worthy.

[manaboutown]

Baldwin and his wife are a couple of low end losers. Very nasty people who feel they are better than everyone else. More than half the building despise him.

:agree::agree::agree:

Alec Baldwin criticized for first Instagram post following involuntary manslaughter charges | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-criticized-first-instagram-post-following-involuntary-manslaughter-charges)

[manaboutown]

Baldwin didn't check the gun before he pointed it and pulled the trigger. If I was the prosecutor I would ask the jury if they think Baldwin would not have checked the gun if the script called for him to point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger.

Well said! I think we all know the answer.

[manaboutown]

Prosecutors added a "Firearms enhancement" charge which is an additional mandatory 5 years if he's convicted.

So if he's convicted he's going to do real time.

Hopefully near the scene of his shooting the woman to death on the Rust set, then lying about not pulling the trigger, within the walls of the State Penitentiary in Santa Fe and not in the Los Lunas pansy farm.

[manaboutown]

Not his job on a movie set. In my own house I always try to keep the weapon pointed down and treat it as if it were loaded at all times. And never point it any where near a person, dog, cat, or whatever living thing that is around.

Can you cite the New Mexico statute stating that it is not his job on a movie set to check a revolver before he aims it at someone else and pulls the trigger? To me at minimum it constitutes criminal negligence.

[manaboutown]

Justice may yet be served. it sure has taken a lot of time! Alec Baldwin formally charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-fatal-rust-shooting?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0ol8XwaEvjgSn5AtS6nWTvM_FydSmXj4-PLZ9zRWxn_ryWZAdB7PgvDDU)

“On the day of the shooting alone, evidence shows that no less than a dozen acts, or omissions of recklessness, occurred in the short time prior to lunch and the time of the shooting, and this does not include the reckless handling of the firearm by Baldwin,” the documents filed Tuesday stated. “Baldwin, by act or omission or failure to act in his position as a producer directly contributed and/or failed to mitigate numerous reckless and dangerous actions during a very short time period,”

“Finally, industry standards, protocols, and common firearm safety procedures on movie sets require the armorer, after conducting a safety check with the 1st assistant director, to conduct a second safety check with the actor to be handling the firearm,” the court papers state. “This reckless violation of standards and firearm safety occurred two times leading up to the shooting, and Baldwin failed to act to mitigate or correct the reckless safety violations, neither in his capacity as actor nor producer.”

The court filing further alleged that there was a “reckless deviation from known standards” on the set, which lead to the shooting.

“Baldwin acted with reckless disregard and/or more than mere negligence in this incident,” the papers said. “Baldwin acted with willful disregard of the safety of others and in a manner that endangered other people and he clearly should have known the danger of his actions which led to the death of Hutchins. Furthermore, Baldwin handled the weapon in a negligent manner.”

From: Alec Baldwin Formally Charged in Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting (https://www.theepochtimes.com/alec-baldwin-formally-charged-in-fatal-rust-shooting_5024281.html?utm_content=buffercb146&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=trendingworld&fbclid=IwAR3R7Ne67yWPP8kQkZdWDO79oHUEwD2khpldpuvR7 mNR8X4hg2DFQ80qHXQ)

[Taltarzac725]

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Charges 'Wrong and Uninformed,' Says SAG-AFTRA - Variety (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/sag-aftra-alec-baldwin-rust-charges-1235495595/)

We will see what happens. The reasoning seems extremely poor for charging Baldwin. Now if the armorer and another person--Hannah Gutierrez Reed and David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive. That is Reed's job making sure the guns are handled safely on the MOVIE SET. It is NOT Baldwin's job to mess with the guns. In fact, actors should not be messing with the guns. Like checking to see if the right ammunition is in them. That is a recipe for accidents.

Justice may yet be served. it sure has taken a lot of time! Alec Baldwin formally charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-fatal-rust-shooting?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0ol8XwaEvjgSn5AtS6nWTvM_FydSmXj4-PLZ9zRWxn_ryWZAdB7PgvDDU)

“On the day of the shooting alone, evidence shows that no less than a dozen acts, or omissions of recklessness, occurred in the short time prior to lunch and the time of the shooting, and this does not include the reckless handling of the firearm by Baldwin,” the documents filed Tuesday stated. “Baldwin, by act or omission or failure to act in his position as a producer directly contributed and/or failed to mitigate numerous reckless and dangerous actions during a very short time period,”

“Finally, industry standards, protocols, and common firearm safety procedures on movie sets require the armorer, after conducting a safety check with the 1st assistant director, to conduct a second safety check with the actor to be handling the firearm,” the court papers state. “This reckless violation of standards and firearm safety occurred two times leading up to the shooting, and Baldwin failed to act to mitigate or correct the reckless safety violations, neither in his capacity as actor nor producer.”

The court filing further alleged that there was a “reckless deviation from known standards” on the set, which lead to the shooting.

“Baldwin acted with reckless disregard and/or more than mere negligence in this incident,” the papers said. “Baldwin acted with willful disregard of the safety of others and in a manner that endangered other people and he clearly should have known the danger of his actions which led to the death of Hutchins. Furthermore, Baldwin handled the weapon in a negligent manner.”

From: Alec Baldwin Formally Charged in Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting (https://www.theepochtimes.com/alec-baldwin-formally-charged-in-fatal-rust-shooting_5024281.html?utm_content=buffercb146&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=trendingworld&fbclid=IwAR3R7Ne67yWPP8kQkZdWDO79oHUEwD2khpldpuvR7 mNR8X4hg2DFQ80qHXQ)

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Charges 'Wrong and Uninformed,' Says SAG-AFTRA - Variety (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/sag-aftra-alec-baldwin-rust-charges-1235495595/)

We will see what happens. The reasoning seems extremely poor for charging Baldwin. Now if the armorer and another person--Hannah Gutierrez Reed and David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive. That is Reed's job making sure the guns are handled safely on the MOVIE SET. It is NOT Baldwin's job to mess with the guns. In fact, actors should not be messing with the guns. Like checking to see if the right ammunition is in them. That is a recipe for accidents.

Nonsense. I am still awaiting your reply citing a NM statute stating it is not an actor's job to safely handle a gun on a movie set. Alec Baldwin purposefully aimed a revolver without checking to see if it was loaded with live ammunition and thoughtlessly and carelessly shot a woman to death. If convicted, as he logically and righteously should be, locked up, preferably in the state pen in Santa Fe for at least five years.

[Taltarzac725]

Nonsense. I am still awaiting your reply citing a NM statute stating it is not an actor's job to safely handle a gun on a movie set. Alec Baldwin purposefully aimed a revolver without checking to see if it was loaded with live ammunition and thoughtlessly and carelessly shot a woman to death. If convicted, as he logically should be, locked up, preferably in the state pen in Santa Fe for at least five years.


What does the statute have to do with anything? Cases are decided by the facts. And also not by prejudice against an actor because of animosity towards their beliefs. I happen to like the Baldwins but if there was something there would hold one of them accountable.

[manaboutown]

What does the statute have to do with anything. Cases are decided by the facts. And also not by prejudice against an actor because of animosity towards their beliefs.

Are you kidding? Didn't you attend law school? Statutes define crimes.

"State legislatures have the exclusive and inherent power to pass a law prohibiting and punishing any act, provided that the law does not contravene the provisions of the U.S. or state constitution. When classifying conduct as criminal, state legislatures must ensure that the classification bears some reasonable relation to the welfare and safety of society. Municipalities may make designated behavior illegal insofar as the power to do so has been delegated to them by the state legislature.
Laws passed by Congress or a state must define crimes with certainty. A citizen and the courts must have a clear understanding of a criminal law's requirements and prohibitions. The elements of a criminal law must be stated explicitly, and the statute must embody some reasonably discoverable standards of guilt. If the language of a statute does not plainly show what the legislature intended to prohibit and punish, the statute may be declared void for vagueness."

From: Criminal Law legal definition of Criminal Law (https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Criminal+Law)

[manaboutown]

I happen to like the Baldwins but if there was something there would hold one of them accountable.

How well do you know the Baldwins? Have you ever been to their home, had dinner with them, etc.? Do you see them socially? Are you close friends with them?

[Taltarzac725]

How well do you know the Baldwins? Have you ever been to their home, had dinner with them, etc.? Do you see them socially? Are you close friends with them?

No. I do not want to get in trouble for bringing up politics but assume that a lot of hatred of this Baldwin is exactly that.

And I worked for prisoners at Minnesota Correctional Facility--Stillwater as a student and then Student Director. I supervised law students. I did look at case files of some prisoners.

Baldwin is nothing like any of these people who were prison in Minnesota.

They had committed clearly defined crimes and were in prison for those actions.


It is not Baldwin's job to check his gun at a movie set. He does have a duty as a manager of that set but that is a factual matter of just how much control he had.

[manaboutown]

It is not Baldwin's job to check his gun at a movie set. He does have a duty as a manager of that set but that is a factual matter of just how much control he had.

Is that set out in New Mexico statutes? SAG procedures are not the ultimate authority. NM statutes are. On top of being an actor Alec was a producer and had that responsibility as well. The DA is going easy on him IMHO. If found guilty he deserves to do the time as he committed the crime. He, without checking for live ammunition, pointed and shot a revolver at a woman, killing her. Then he lied about pulling the trigger.

[Taltarzac725]

Is that set out in New Mexico statutes? SAG procedures are not the ultimate authority. NM statutes are. On top of being an actor Alec was a producer and had that responsibility as well. The DA is going easy on him IMHO. If found guilty he deserves to do the time as he committed the crime. He, without checking for live ammunition, pointed and shot a revolver at a woman, killing her. Then he lied about pulling the trigger.

That is not his job to check the ammunition on a Movie Set!

[MorTech]

Who brought the live rounds onto a movie set?
...And why?

[dewilson58]

Alex:

Aimed the gun at someone.

Pulled the trigger.

Killed someone.

Did not take required safety training.

Lied to investigators.

[tuccillo]

There initially was a report of the gun being used for target practice earlier in the day. I have not heard any follow up on that report.

Who brought the live rounds onto a movie set?
...And why?

[mtdjed]

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' Charges 'Wrong and Uninformed,' Says SAG-AFTRA - Variety (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/sag-aftra-alec-baldwin-rust-charges-1235495595/)

We will see what happens. The reasoning seems extremely poor for charging Baldwin. Now if the armorer and another person--Hannah Gutierrez Reed and David Halls — had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive. That is Reed's job making sure the guns are handled safely on the MOVIE SET. It is NOT Baldwin's job to mess with the guns. In fact, actors should not be messing with the guns. Like checking to see if the right ammunition is in them. That is a recipe for accidents.

W0W! That logic would exonerate any Boss, Manager, CEO and employee for just about any negligent action within their realm of responsibility. An employee comes into an office with a gun. The guard see it but does not act. The Manager does not act. The CEO does not act. The employee with the gun claims he did not know it was loaded. Somebody got shot. Nobody here is guilty. Then it must be the gun.

[Taltarzac725]

W0W! That logic would exonerate any Boss, Manager, CEO and employee for just about any negligent action within their realm of responsibility. An employee comes into an office with a gun. The guard see it but does not act. The Manager does not act. The CEO does not act. The employee with the gun claims he did not know it was loaded. Somebody got shot. Nobody here is guilty. Then it must be the gun.

I see no logic in your response. The guard's JOB is to protect his work place and people in it. Baldwin's job is NOT to check weapons he is holding for acting purposes for whether or not they have live rounds in them. He is not supposed to be messing with the weapons on a movie set. That act could result in a live round being put it in by him.

[manaboutown]

. Baldwin's job is NOT to check weapons he is holding for acting purposes for whether or not they have live rounds in them. He is not supposed to be messing with the weapons on a movie set. That act could result in a live round being put it in by him.

I am still waiting for a citation of a New Mexico statute verifying that is true.

[Taltarzac725]

I am still waiting for a citation of a New Mexico statute verifying that is true.

Statutes cover a broad area. I doubt if any New Mexico Statutes involve actions of actors on MOVIE SETS.

[manaboutown]

Prosecutors claim Alec Baldwin allowed a ‘climate of recklessness’
Copyright © 2023 Albuquerque Journal
BY MATTHEW REISEN JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed told authorities Alec Baldwin had failed to attend required firearms training during the filming of “Rust,” so she had requested an hourlong firearms training with the movie star, according to court records filed Tuesday.
Gutierrez-Reed “felt this training was very important for Baldwin” but told deputies the requested training was cut short — to about a half-hour — due to the actor being distracted on his phone and speaking with family.
The instance is one of several prosecutors point to in alleging that Baldwin, as producer and actor on the movie “Rust,” allowed “a climate of recklessness” on set before he fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, with a Colt .45 prop gun at a movie set outside Santa Fe.
For her part, prosecutors allege Gutierrez-Reed — the film’s armorer — was responsible for Hutchins’ death as she did not follow numerous safety protocols, including by leaving ammunition unattended, allowing live rounds onto the set and not insisting on proper training forBaldwin.

Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed were each charged Tuesday in 1st Judicial District Court with involuntary manslaughter in the Oct. 21, 2021, death of Hutchins during a rehearsal on the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set. The shooting also left director Joel Souza injured with a bullet in his shoulder.

Reckless environment

Prosecutors allege Baldwin was responsible for Hutchins’ death by not addressing prior accidental gun discharges, hiring inexperienced crew like Gutierrez-Reed, failing to hold sufficient safety meetings and personally mishandling the firearm that killed Hutchins.
Baldwin was given “only minimal training” even after Gutierrez-Reed requested more training for him, according to a statement of probable cause filed in District Court. According to court records, Baldwin was “distracted and talking on his cellphone to his family during the training.”
Fur thermore, the rehearsal did not require the gun to be fired, according to court records. Despite Baldwin’s assertion that he did not pull the trigger, FBI analysis found the gun would not fire any other way, including when a mallet was used to strike the hammer.
Regardless, “It was also determined by consultation with expert armorers that in a rehearsal, a plastic gun or replica gun should be used,” according to the court records. Prosecutors also allege that Baldwin failed to “demand at least two safety checks” by Gutierrez- Reed before shooting Hutchins, which is standard safety protocol.
“ Final ly, Baldwin directly pointed a firearm at Hutchins and Souza. Whether guided by (Hutchins) directions or not, Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone you don’t intend on shooting,” according to court records. “Had Baldwin performed the required safety checks with the armorer (Gutierrez- Reed) this tragedy would not have occurred.”
Prosecutors allege Baldwin should have known better after he has touted himself as an “expert” in firearms in filmmaking and having been in at least 40 movies or TV shows that involved him in scenes with guns.
As producer, Baldwin also allowed the hiring of inexperienced crew such as Gutierrez-Reed and prop master Sarah Zackary, both of whom had no certifiable firearms training, according to court records.
There were also two negligent discharges on set in the days leading up to the fatal shooting — one by Zachary — and prosecutors allege Baldwin “failed to act to address this reckless situation” or have Gutierrez- Reed do so.
Baldwin also did not address the “lack of daily safety meetings” and, according to court records, only three or four had been done by the 13th day of filming.
As armorer, investigators found Gutierrez-Reed knew of many of these shortcomings and did not address them or insist changes being made, according to court records. She also did not follow safety protocols herself, leaving ammunition unattended on a cart and handing loaded guns to regular crew members — one of which led to a negligent discharge.
Gutierrez-Reed, according to court records, also did not stay on set with firearms and failed to correct Baldwin from having his finger on the trigger and pointing it at people, shown in rehearsal video.
“Her absence from the set allowed the reckless behavior to happen and continue, resulting in the fatal shooting,” according to court records, adding that her allowing live ammunition onto the set “put everyone on the Rust set in danger.”

[Taltarzac725]

How about posting the defense to be fair. They are spinning the story in their interest of winning the case.

The facts are not there about Baldwin owning a duty to check the gun for live rounds. He was told by someone who had that duty that the gun was "SAFE". Alec Baldwin told gun was safe before fatal shooting - court records - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59018391)

Prosecutors claim Alec Baldwin allowed a ‘climate of recklessness’
Copyright © 2023 Albuquerque Journal
BY MATTHEW REISEN JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed told authorities Alec Baldwin had failed to attend required firearms training during the filming of “Rust,” so she had requested an hourlong firearms training with the movie star, according to court records filed Tuesday.
Gutierrez-Reed “felt this training was very important for Baldwin” but told deputies the requested training was cut short — to about a half-hour — due to the actor being distracted on his phone and speaking with family.
The instance is one of several prosecutors point to in alleging that Baldwin, as producer and actor on the movie “Rust,” allowed “a climate of recklessness” on set before he fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, with a Colt .45 prop gun at a movie set outside Santa Fe.
For her part, prosecutors allege Gutierrez-Reed — the film’s armorer — was responsible for Hutchins’ death as she did not follow numerous safety protocols, including by leaving ammunition unattended, allowing live rounds onto the set and not insisting on proper training forBaldwin.

Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed were each charged Tuesday in 1st Judicial District Court with involuntary manslaughter in the Oct. 21, 2021, death of Hutchins during a rehearsal on the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set. The shooting also left director Joel Souza injured with a bullet in his shoulder.

Reckless environment

Prosecutors allege Baldwin was responsible for Hutchins’ death by not addressing prior accidental gun discharges, hiring inexperienced crew like Gutierrez-Reed, failing to hold sufficient safety meetings and personally mishandling the firearm that killed Hutchins.
Baldwin was given “only minimal training” even after Gutierrez-Reed requested more training for him, according to a statement of probable cause filed in District Court. According to court records, Baldwin was “distracted and talking on his cellphone to his family during the training.”
Fur thermore, the rehearsal did not require the gun to be fired, according to court records. Despite Baldwin’s assertion that he did not pull the trigger, FBI analysis found the gun would not fire any other way, including when a mallet was used to strike the hammer.
Regardless, “It was also determined by consultation with expert armorers that in a rehearsal, a plastic gun or replica gun should be used,” according to the court records. Prosecutors also allege that Baldwin failed to “demand at least two safety checks” by Gutierrez- Reed before shooting Hutchins, which is standard safety protocol.
“ Final ly, Baldwin directly pointed a firearm at Hutchins and Souza. Whether guided by (Hutchins) directions or not, Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone you don’t intend on shooting,” according to court records. “Had Baldwin performed the required safety checks with the armorer (Gutierrez- Reed) this tragedy would not have occurred.”
Prosecutors allege Baldwin should have known better after he has touted himself as an “expert” in firearms in filmmaking and having been in at least 40 movies or TV shows that involved him in scenes with guns.
As producer, Baldwin also allowed the hiring of inexperienced crew such as Gutierrez-Reed and prop master Sarah Zackary, both of whom had no certifiable firearms training, according to court records.
There were also two negligent discharges on set in the days leading up to the fatal shooting — one by Zachary — and prosecutors allege Baldwin “failed to act to address this reckless situation” or have Gutierrez- Reed do so.
Baldwin also did not address the “lack of daily safety meetings” and, according to court records, only three or four had been done by the 13th day of filming.
As armorer, investigators found Gutierrez-Reed knew of many of these shortcomings and did not address them or insist changes being made, according to court records. She also did not follow safety protocols herself, leaving ammunition unattended on a cart and handing loaded guns to regular crew members — one of which led to a negligent discharge.
Gutierrez-Reed, according to court records, also did not stay on set with firearms and failed to correct Baldwin from having his finger on the trigger and pointing it at people, shown in rehearsal video.
“Her absence from the set allowed the reckless behavior to happen and continue, resulting in the fatal shooting,” according to court records, adding that her allowing live ammunition onto the set “put everyone on the Rust set in danger.”

[manaboutown]

How about posting the defense to be fair. They are spinning the story in their interest of winning the case.

The facts are not there about Baldwin owning a duty to check the gun for live rounds. He was told by someone who had that duty that the gun was "SAFE". Alec Baldwin told gun was safe before fatal shooting - court records - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59018391)

The only spinning I see is from the defense, starting with Alec lying to the police that he he had not pulled the trigger.

[Taltarzac725]

The only spinning I see is from the defense, starting with Alec lying to the police that he he had not pulled the trigger.

That is not a crux of this case. I doubt if he knew what he did given the trauma that occurred at that movie set. Again because someone in charge of gun safety on a MOVIE SET did not do their jobs. He was not in charge of safety on the set.

[JMintzer]

That is not a crux of this case. I doubt if he knew what he did given the trauma that occurred at that movie set. Again because someone in charge of gun safety on a MOVIE SET did not do their jobs. He was not in charge of safety on the set.

But he DID refuse to take the safety course...

AND he was the exec producer on the film...

[Taltarzac725]

But he DID refuse to take the safety course...

AND he was the exec producer on the film...

That is not clear what happened. Alec Baldwin ignored gun training request before shooting (https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/13/alec-baldwin-ignored-gun-training-request-before-fatal-shooting-still-hasnt-turned-over-phone/)

While the lawsuit doesn’t name Baldwin as a defendant, it paints a picture of lax adherence to gun safety protocols on the set. Gutierrez-Reed also appeared to cast some blame on Baldwin for failing to attend a “cross draw training” session and for how he handled the weapon, Insider reported. The lawsuit said Gutierrez-Reed asked Baldwin to schedule the training on Oct. 15, less than a week before the Oct. 21 fatal shooting, but she never heard back from him.

[Boston-Sean]

How about posting the defense to be fair. They are spinning the story in their interest of winning the case.

The facts are not there about Baldwin owning a duty to check the gun for live rounds. He was told by someone who had that duty that the gun was "SAFE". Alec Baldwin told gun was safe before fatal shooting - court records - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59018391)

So do you think that if the script called for Baldwin to put the gun to his own head and pull the trigger that he would not have checked it himself?

[Taltarzac725]

So do you think that if the script called for Baldwin to put the gun to his own head and pull the trigger that he would not have checked it himself?

An actor, Jon-Eric Hexum, died that way from a blank. So I doubt it.

[fishon]

Tal
Put down the shovel.

[New Englander]

Personally, I don't like Alec Baldwin. I think he pulled the trigger but he was handed a gun loaded with real ammo and told the gun was cold. He's responsible, the armorer, and the moron who brought real bullets to a movie set.

[Taltarzac725]

Personally, I don't like Alec Baldwin. I think he pulled the trigger but he was handed a gun loaded with real ammo and told the gun was cold. He's responsible, the armorer, and the moron who brought real bullets to a movie set.

He was told the gun was loaded with blanks. He obviously pulled the trigger as that gun did not fire without it being pulled.

He does have some guilt but has already paid the family of the woman who died. I do not see a criminal charge though that should follow those facts.

[Boston-Sean]

An actor, Jon-Eric Hexum, died that way from a blank. So I doubt it.

What about if his wife was in the movie and the script called for him to point the gun at her and pull the trigger?

If you think he would have checked the gun himself in that situation explain to us why not doing it when it was pointed at someone else is not criminal negligence.

[New Englander]

He was told the gun was loaded with blanks. He obviously pulled the trigger as that gun did not fire without it being pulled.

He does have some guilt but has already paid the family of the woman who died. I do not see a criminal charge though that should follow those facts.

Being told the gun has loaded with blanks is the same thing as being told the gun was "cold". Baldwin is not the only one responsible.

[manaboutown]

He was told the gun was loaded with blanks. He obviously pulled the trigger as that gun did not fire without it being pulled.

He does have some guilt but has already paid the family of the woman who died. I do not see a criminal charge though that should follow those facts.

Alec lied to authorities that he had not pulled the trigger.

Why did Alec not insist on a plastic fake gun as it was at most an informal rehearsal? That would be the normal procedure on a movie set as I understand it. A real gun would be used on a "take" but not in a practice action such as he took.

If someone told me a revolver was not loaded with live ammo there is no way I would point it at someone and pull the trigger without checking for myself, probably at least twice if not three times. And, there would have to be a very good reason even then, such as for a real take, not some casual or informal gun handling practice.

The criminal charges against Alec are quite modest considering the inexcusable acts he committed and clearly warranted.

No matter what he paid his victim's family it will not bring her back. Her death was an unwarranted tragedy in every sense of the word.

[JMintzer]

That is not clear what happened. Alec Baldwin ignored gun training request before shooting (https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/13/alec-baldwin-ignored-gun-training-request-before-fatal-shooting-still-hasnt-turned-over-phone/)

Oh, he ignored the request, rather then refused the request... Same result...

[JMintzer]

An actor, Jon-Eric Hexum, died that way from a blank. So I doubt it.

No, he died screwing around with a prop gun... It WAS NOT part of any planned scene he was to shoot. The explosion from "THE BLANK" that was in the gun drove fragments of his skull into his brain, killing him...

[PugMom]

didn't the same thing happen to Brandon Lee? killed by blanks??

[manaboutown]

"A manslaughter charge can be brought if a defendant is (sic) killed while doing something lawful but dangerous and acted negligently or without caution.

In newly filed court documents, prosecutors said reckless safety failures accompanied the film production from the outset. They cite Baldwin’s failure as an actor to appear for mandatory firearms training prior to filming and his decision as a producer to work with Gutierrez-Reed, who was an uncertified and inexperienced armorer.

A probable cause statement from investigators traces safety failures across a 10-day period, such as misfires on set, a camera crew walkout, and the moments before Hutchins’ death as a revolver was loaded with ammunition and Baldwin’s finger came to rest on the pistol’s trigger.

“Baldwin’s deviation from known standards, practices, and protocol directly caused” Hutchins’ death, Robert Shilling, a special investigator for the Santa Fe district attorney’s office, said in the probable cause statement.
Investigators said reckless safety failures culminated when Baldwin drew a revolver from a holster, pointed it at Hutchins, and fired the weapon when a plastic or replica gun should have been used by industry standards.

Photos and videos of the rehearsal, including moments before the deadly shooting, showed Baldwin with his finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger while “manipulating” the pistol’s hammer, investigators said, noting that an FBI analysis shows the pistol could not be fired without pressing the trigger."

From: Alec Baldwin Scheduled for Court on Charges in Set Death | NTD (https://www.ntd.com/alec-baldwin-scheduled-for-court-on-charges-in-set-death_898670.html?utm_content=buffer920ba&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=trendingworld&fbclid=IwAR1eoKCU4IAVkxoqjPnayinf8TbQTr5g9iIGNqHa_ XFSG-uhDqmnnkQeLkk)

[mtdjed]

That is not a crux of this case. I doubt if he knew what he did given the trauma that occurred at that movie set. Again because someone in charge of gun safety on a MOVIE SET did not do their jobs. He was not in charge of safety on the set.

Baldwin was the "Producer" and as such was responsible for safety on the set. He skipped gun training, allowed improper use of the gun on the set, handled the gun without the gun experts around, and killed a person. And to say that the prosecutors are manipulating the facts. Start with the facts. He killed a person in a rehearsal. He was responsible for the set and all activities, he hired inexperienced gun experts, lied when questioned about the event. I would guess that it will be the defense that will start twisting the events.

If any of us produced a local play and the producer was the actor involving a gun scene that resulted a death, someone would be held responsible. The producer actor would be at the top of the list. Others, may also be charged, but the producer couldn't simply get off by saying I paid someone somebody else to be responsible for the gun.

A rehearsal with a live round (Blank or real) seems a bit irresponsible. What other facts do we not yet know? Were there other rounds in the weapon, was there a distinguishing feature on blanks that would allow handlers to know the ammo was not real. Were actors charged with checking the gun prior to use. It may have been others that had that duty assigned, but the producer would certainly be responsible to ensure that proper gun safety rules were in force and followed.

[Taltarzac725]

"A manslaughter charge can be brought if a defendant is (sic) killed while doing something lawful but dangerous and acted negligently or without caution.

In newly filed court documents, prosecutors said reckless safety failures accompanied the film production from the outset. They cite Baldwin’s failure as an actor to appear for mandatory firearms training prior to filming and his decision as a producer to work with Gutierrez-Reed, who was an uncertified and inexperienced armorer.

A probable cause statement from investigators traces safety failures across a 10-day period, such as misfires on set, a camera crew walkout, and the moments before Hutchins’ death as a revolver was loaded with ammunition and Baldwin’s finger came to rest on the pistol’s trigger.

“Baldwin’s deviation from known standards, practices, and protocol directly caused” Hutchins’ death, Robert Shilling, a special investigator for the Santa Fe district attorney’s office, said in the probable cause statement.
Investigators said reckless safety failures culminated when Baldwin drew a revolver from a holster, pointed it at Hutchins, and fired the weapon when a plastic or replica gun should have been used by industry standards.

Photos and videos of the rehearsal, including moments before the deadly shooting, showed Baldwin with his finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger while “manipulating” the pistol’s hammer, investigators said, noting that an FBI analysis shows the pistol could not be fired without pressing the trigger."

From: Alec Baldwin Scheduled for Court on Charges in Set Death | NTD (https://www.ntd.com/alec-baldwin-scheduled-for-court-on-charges-in-set-death_898670.html?utm_content=buffer920ba&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=trendingworld&fbclid=IwAR1eoKCU4IAVkxoqjPnayinf8TbQTr5g9iIGNqHa_ XFSG-uhDqmnnkQeLkk)

So much from ONE side.chilout

[JMintzer]

didn't the same thing happen to Brandon Lee? killed by blanks??

Yes...

[JMintzer]

So much from ONE side.chilout

So tell us the OTHER side of the story...

[Taltarzac725]

Baldwin was the "Producer" and as such was responsible for safety on the set. He skipped gun training, allowed improper use of the gun on the set, handled the gun without the gun experts around, and killed a person. And to say that the prosecutors are manipulating the facts. Start with the facts. He killed a person in a rehearsal. He was responsible for the set and all activities, he hired inexperienced gun experts, lied when questioned about the event. I would guess that it will be the defense that will start twisting the events.

If any of us produced a local play and the producer was the actor involving a gun scene that resulted a death, someone would be held responsible. The producer actor would be at the top of the list. Others, may also be charged, but the producer couldn't simply get off by saying I paid someone somebody else to be responsible for the gun.

A rehearsal with a live round (Blank or real) seems a bit irresponsible. What other facts do we not yet know? Were there other rounds in the weapon, was there a distinguishing feature on blanks that would allow handlers to know the ammo was not real. Were actors charged with checking the gun prior to use. It may have been others that had that duty assigned, but the producer would certainly be responsible to ensure that proper gun safety rules were in force and followed.

The Screen Actors Guild is taking a much different approach to this tragedy. And again this is a movie set and not real life. Who knows how much a role Baldwin had with gun safety? The most important point is that this was on a movie set and the person in charge of the gun at that time said it was safe to use it as the script directed the actor to do.

[mtdjed]

The Screen Actors Guild is taking a much different approach to this tragedy. And again this is a movie set and not real life. Who knows how much a role Baldwin with gun safety? The most important point is that this was on a movie set and the person in charge of the gun at that time said it was safe to use it as the script directed the actor to do.

I am guessing that the courthouse is not going to be a movie set and that the family of the deceased may have considered her death "real'. The person in charge of the gun at that time was Baldwin. As producer he hired the so-called gun experts. That expertise is questioned so he has to prove that he hired qualified, experienced persons. Were those experts in attendance, did they hand him the gun and declare it safe to use? All to be determined by trial I don't know the facts. But that is what the trial will provide. Any one's insistence that the experts exonerate the shooter without knowing the facts is simply stating an opinion and is certainly entitled to that. As are any others who disagree. Let the show proceed and we will see. Whatever the decision, there is bound to be disagreement..

[manaboutown]

So much from ONE side.chilout

Those are the facts. Let's see how Alec, who has established himself as a liar, slimily tries to weasel out of criminally negligently shooting a woman to death.

[Taltarzac725]

I am guessing that the courthouse is not going to be a movie set and that the family of the deceased may have considered her death "real'. The person in charge of the gun at that time was Baldwin. As producer he hired the so-called gun experts. That expertise is questioned so he has to prove that he hired qualified, experienced persons. Were those experts in attendance, did they hand him the gun and declare it safe to use? All to be determined by trial I don't know the facts. But that is what the trial will provide. Any one's insistence that the experts exonerate the shooter without knowing the facts is simply stating an opinion and is certainly entitled to that. As are any others who disagree. Let the show proceed and we will see. Whatever the decision, there is bound to be disagreement..

The family of the woman killed in this tragedy made a deal with Baldwin and others.

[manaboutown]

The family of the woman killed in this tragedy made a deal with Baldwin and others.

So Alec paid them off? So he is guilty. No surprise. Well, he has big bucks.

[manaboutown]

The Screen Actors Guild is taking a much different approach to this tragedy. And again this is a movie set and not real life. Who knows how much a role Baldwin had with gun safety? The most important point is that this was on a movie set and the person in charge of the gun at that time said it was safe to use it as the script directed the actor to do.

A movie set is real life, and sadly, death in this case. The most important point is was Alec criminally negligent and did he commit manslaughter?

[Taltarzac725]

Hearings set for Baldwin, 'Rust' armorer and assistant director - KOB.com (https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/hearings-set-for-baldwin-rust-armorer-and-assistant-director/)

Think I will just wait and see what happens on February 24, 2023.

[JMintzer]

The family of the woman killed in this tragedy made a deal with Baldwin and others.

That is for a CIVIL SUIT...

It has nothing to do with the CRIMINAL charges...

[Whitley]

He didn’t do himself any favors by claiming that he never pulled the trigger. It is impossible for that type of gun to fire without pulling the trigger.
If he lied about that, what else is he lying about?

Baldwin is from the group who believe guns kill. He may actually believe the gun can shoot itself.

[Taltarzac725]

What Exactly Is "Manslaughter" in the Alec Baldwin Case? (https://reason.com/volokh/2023/01/19/what-exactly-is-manslaughter-in-the-alec-baldwin-case/)

We will see what happens on the 24th of February and later.

Say, then, that the prosecution can show that Baldwin pointed the gun at Hutchins and pulled the trigger, but carelessly believed (without checking this for himself) that it was unloaded.

It wouldn't be enough to show that Baldwin was careless, negligent, or lacked due caution in the ordinary sense of the word. The prosecution would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he was subjectively aware of the danger: that he actually thought about the possibility that the gun might be loaded, and proceeded to point it and pull the trigger despite that. That's much harder than just to show carelessness, or even gross carelessness, though of course much depends on what evidence the prosecution has gathered.

[manaboutown]

Halls pled guilty.

Copyright © 2023 Albuquerque Journal
BY MATTHEW REISEN JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

On Tuesday, involuntary manslaughter charges were filed against Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed and negligent use of a deadly weapon was filed against Halls.

Halls has already pleaded guilty in his case and an in-person plea conference has been set for 10 a.m., March 8 also in 1st Judicial District Court. Halls faces a suspended sentence and six months of probation.

[manaboutown]

'Rust' director likely to testify against Alec Baldwin (https://nypost.com/2023/02/05/rust-director-likely-to-testify-against-alec-baldwin/)

Alec Baldwin Rust Movie Case Sees Director & Crew On DA’s Witness List – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2023/02/alec-baldwin-fatal-shooting-rust-trial-witness-list-analysis-1235239588/)

[manaboutown]

Gloria Allred is on it! Finally!

Alec Baldwin sued by Halyna Hutchins''' family for fatal '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-sued-halyna-hutchins-family-fatal-rust-shooting?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0EfWf3jzy5UX-TAa9DyDx9XRsAjjZzQ-vi6L7uW7D-BDIAVwuvxFCIB_8)

[Taltarzac725]

Alec Baldwin filmography - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin_filmography)

He still has movies in the works. I do hope justice in served for the injured and the slain worker.

What that will be awaits the facts and the jury's take on those facts.

[Caymus]

Gloria Allred is on it! Finally!

Alec Baldwin sued by Halyna Hutchins''' family for fatal '''Rust''' shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-sued-halyna-hutchins-family-fatal-rust-shooting?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR0EfWf3jzy5UX-TAa9DyDx9XRsAjjZzQ-vi6L7uW7D-BDIAVwuvxFCIB_8)

I thought he settled with the family. I guess they want more money.

[manaboutown]

Alec's options... Alec Baldwin'''s fatal '''Rust''' shooting: The options left for actor amid possible jail time, new lawsuit | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwins-fatal-rust-shooting-options-left-actor-amid-possible-jail-time-new-lawsuit?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1opfpPewRRrYH_2russgdnpuHzvfeqed5d2dXlr rYwc_132kMTW_j3mrc)

[Two Bills]

I thought he settled with the family. I guess they want more money.

The previous settlement was made with the ladies husband.
The new case is being brought by the mother, father and sister.
Given that Halyna Hutchins was the sole financial support for them, there could be big $$$$$$ involved.

[manaboutown]

Surprise, surprise! '''Rust''' assistant director may testify against Alec Baldwin in upcoming hearing: court papers | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-assistant-director-testify-alec-baldwin-upcoming-hearing-court-papers?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1MQmBAwpia0I5jsvOoPz9MvOZRIJ-zsiljj-FWmRlKVVYbnn7QokDJmeY)

[Taltarzac725]

Surprise, surprise! '''Rust''' assistant director may testify against Alec Baldwin in upcoming hearing: court papers | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-assistant-director-testify-alec-baldwin-upcoming-hearing-court-papers?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1MQmBAwpia0I5jsvOoPz9MvOZRIJ-zsiljj-FWmRlKVVYbnn7QokDJmeY)

And what is someone who plead guilty to negligence going to say about Alec Baldwin?

[manaboutown]

And what is someone who plead guilty to negligence going to say about Alec Baldwin?

Alec belongs in prison for killing the woman by shooting her to death then lying about not pulling the trigger.

[Taltarzac725]

Alec belongs in prison for killing the woman by shooting her to death.

No! He does not. It was a horrible accident on a movie set. He does hold responsibility for some of the production of the film but that will come out in trial.

[Caymus]

Back to filming?

‘Rust’ Movie Eyes Spring 2023 Return To Production As Criminal Case Nears – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2023/02/rust-movie-resume-production-spring-2023-new-cinematographer-1235259399/)

[dewilson58]

Back to filming?

‘Rust’ Movie Eyes Spring 2023 Return To Production As Criminal Case Nears – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2023/02/rust-movie-resume-production-spring-2023-new-cinematographer-1235259399/)

Yes............................Ally-boy is clueless.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes............................Ally-boy is clueless.

The parents and other family of the slain woman wanted the movie to be made as a testament to her art.

[manaboutown]

Being a big time celeb with megabucks and a top notch legal team can sure get one off the hook! Alec Baldwin scores win in '''Rust''' fatal shooting case as DA drops firearm enhancement | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-scores-win-rust-fatal-shooting-case-da-drops-firearm-enhancement?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR2M6UNSCL-DrNES9WB2Nci19OUYpZOCgu1bw_Srw6jKzBeXK5LyoJ5NmpY)

[Taltarzac725]

Being a big time celeb with megabucks and a top notch legal team can sure get one off the hook! Alec Baldwin scores win in '''Rust''' fatal shooting case as DA drops firearm enhancement | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-scores-win-rust-fatal-shooting-case-da-drops-firearm-enhancement?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR2M6UNSCL-DrNES9WB2Nci19OUYpZOCgu1bw_Srw6jKzBeXK5LyoJ5NmpY)

Top lawyers are often in cliques of other top law school alumni. That does not mean, however, that the rich get better legal representation. It depends a lot on how much media the case draws and some of these super law firms probably also have a lot of clout. If there is a lot of advertising for their firms....

This is a high profile case.

[manaboutown]

Alec has quite a temper! Alec Baldwin Snaps At Reporter In New York City - MAGA Conservative (https://magaconservatives.com/alec-baldwin-snaps-at-reporter-in-new-york-city/?fbclid=IwAR0LsScj3cZFncIF81_j2Dn-rij2TlpiX1PQcpNUssjONTGyRJqTvt9_Ugw)

[Taltarzac725]

Almost anyone in his situation would snap.


Alec has quite a temper! Alec Baldwin Snaps At Reporter In New York City - MAGA Conservative (https://magaconservatives.com/alec-baldwin-snaps-at-reporter-in-new-york-city/?fbclid=IwAR0LsScj3cZFncIF81_j2Dn-rij2TlpiX1PQcpNUssjONTGyRJqTvt9_Ugw)

[mickey100]

Alec has quite a temper! Alec Baldwin Snaps At Reporter In New York City - MAGA Conservative (https://magaconservatives.com/alec-baldwin-snaps-at-reporter-in-new-york-city/?fbclid=IwAR0LsScj3cZFncIF81_j2Dn-rij2TlpiX1PQcpNUssjONTGyRJqTvt9_Ugw)

Maga Conservative?? Ew..not my source of unbiased news.

[manaboutown]

Alec pled "not guilty" but has had restrictions placed on him by the court including abstaining from alcohol and not possessing firearms or other dangerous weapons. Alec Baldwin pleads not guilty in 'Rust' shooting, can't drink alcohol or own gun (https://ktla.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-pleads-not-guilty-in-rust-shooting-cant-drink-alcohol-or-own-gun/?fbclid=IwAR1QPekYT0tKZ-6kr9DpjkssBJ1txqo_TsOZIENFLoVQt3saotqcazp9X3o)

[manaboutown]

Almost anyone in his situation would snap.

Alec notoriously has a lengthy and extensive history of temper outbursts.

Alec Baldwin's Scandals and Controversies Through the Years (https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/pictures/alec-baldwins-scandals-and-controversies-through-the-years/)

Brawlin''' Baldwin: Alec'''s 5 Most Memorable Outbursts - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/alec-baldwins-memorable-outbursts/story?id=16603684)

Alec Baldwin's many, many tirades: A timeline | The Week (https://theweek.com/articles/474487/alec-baldwins-many-many-tirades-timeline)

[manaboutown]

The latest. lol. Alec Baldwin hit with new '''Rust''' lawsuit by three crew members who suffered '''blast injuries''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-new-rust-lawsuit-three-crew-members-suffered-blast-injuries?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR223Ga4pRpyF-vPcWqfxGUzIjcb8qK6kjq0NNNeL25EjmZbIttXaEgdyfg)

[Caymus]

'Rust' set manager convicted in Alec Baldwin shooting case (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rust-set-manager-convicted-in-alec-baldwin-shooting-case/ar-AA19krh8)

Does this foretell anything for Baldwin?

[Taltarzac725]

'Rust' set manager convicted in Alec Baldwin shooting case (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rust-set-manager-convicted-in-alec-baldwin-shooting-case/ar-AA19krh8)

Does this foretell anything for Baldwin?


'''Rust''' set manager convicted in Alec Baldwin shooting case | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/legal/rust-set-managers-plea-deal-be-considered-friday-2023-03-31/)

That was his job to check the weapons used in the movie for live rounds.

[dewilson58]

'Rust' set manager convicted in Alec Baldwin shooting case (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rust-set-manager-convicted-in-alec-baldwin-shooting-case/ar-AA19krh8)

Does this foretell anything for Baldwin?

The dude that said, I would never aim a gun at someone and pull the trigger. I never pulled the trigger.

:oops:

[manaboutown]

'Rust' set manager convicted in Alec Baldwin shooting case (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rust-set-manager-convicted-in-alec-baldwin-shooting-case/ar-AA19krh8)

Does this foretell anything for Baldwin?

Sadly, only a slap on the hand, if even that, for someone being shot to death.

He may be taking the hit for Alec...

[MrFlorida]

Never liked him, so it would not be in his best interest if I was on the jury.

[Taltarzac725]

Happy Birthday Alec Baldwin this April 3, 2023. He is not one of the people I have interacted with on Facebook over the past 13 years or so. Nor with his entourage.

Liked his work in the Mission Impossible movies as well as his single Jack Ryan portrayal.

[JMintzer]

Happy Birthday Alec Baldwin this April 3, 2023. He is not one of the people I have interacted with on Facebook over the past 13 years or so. Nor with his entourage.

Liked his work in the Fast and Furious movies as well as his single Jack Ryan portrayal.

"Fast and Furious" movies???

[Rainger99]

Alec Baldwin Criminal Charges To Be Dropped In Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-criminal-charges-dropped-190340236.html)

[manaboutown]

Alec Baldwin Criminal Charges To Be Dropped In Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-criminal-charges-dropped-190340236.html)

Quite foreseeable, unfortunately... Santa Fe DA stepping down from prosecuting Alec Baldwin'''s on-set '''Rust''' shooting - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/santa-fe-da-stepping-prosecuting-rust-set-shooting/story?id=98213896)

[Taltarzac725]

Alec Baldwin Criminal Charges To Be Dropped In Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-criminal-charges-dropped-190340236.html)

Thought that might happen. They did not have a case of negligence against Alec Baldwin but did have one against two of the other people whose job it was to supervise gun safety on the set of Rust.

[manaboutown]

Thought that might happen. They did not have a case of negligence against Alec Baldwin but did have one against two of the other people whose job it was to supervise gun safety on the set of Rust.

They had a case and dropped it. David Halls took the fall for Alec, a mere slap on the wrist by the way. Alec pulled the trigger without checking the revolver, shooting a woman to death, lied about it, claiming he did not pull the trigger. The FBI says he did.

[Taltarzac725]

They had a case and dropped it. David Halls took the fall for Alec, a mere slap on the wrist by the way. Alec pulled the trigger without checking the revolver, shooting a woman to death, lied about it, claiming he did not pull the trigger. The FBI says he did.

He is on a movie set. The guns are supposed to be checked by someone else to see if they are loaded or unloaded. He did not have a duty of care.

[manaboutown]

He is on a movie set. The guns are supposed to be checked by someone else to see if they are loaded or unloaded. He did not have a duty of care.

The LAW and common sense governs, not movie set protocols which did not apply anyway as while carelessly fooling around, not on a "take", Alec pulled the trigger and shot that poor woman to death. Then he lied about not pulling the trigger. He is culpable.

[Taltarzac725]

The LAW and common sense governs, not movie set protocols.

They dropped the charges. The law in New Mexico did that. Common sense also dictates that movie actors and actresses are not going to be checking their guns for blanks when picking up and firing in some action sequence. Just as those driving a car in an upcoming chase scene would probably not be checking if the brakes are in top working order.

[manaboutown]

The dropped the charges. The law in New Mexico did that. Common sense also dictates that movie actors and actresses are not going to be checking their guns for blanks when picking up and firing in some action sequence.

We all know why the charges were dropped, duh! Alec pulled the trigger and shot the woman to death. Alec is responsible for her death.

[Djean1981]

I don't care for him but if you ask me I don't think he had any bad in his heart when he shot the gun. Temper or not, I don't think he's guilty.

What a shame for the lady who was killed and her family. I feel awful for them.
I agree, he had no idea that the gun was loaded, had no malice, etc. Since the gun was a prop/stage gun, I assume that eventually, during the shooting of the movie, it would have been used/shot anyway (but, maybe not at a person)??

[manaboutown]

There still is hope!

“Over the last few days and in preparation for the May 3, 2023, preliminary hearing, new facts were revealed that demand further investigation and forensic analysis in the case against Alexander “Alec” Rae Baldwin, III. Consequently, we cannot proceed under the current time constraints and on the facts and evidence turned over by law enforcement in its existing form. We therefore will be dismissing the involuntary manslaughter charges against Mr. Baldwin to conduct further investigation. This decision does not absolve Mr. Baldwin of criminal culpability and charges may be refiled. Our follow-up investigation will remain active and on-going.”

Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ Charges Dropped, But He’s Not Absolved Yet, Prosecutors Say – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2023/04/alec-baldwin-charges-dropped-rust-shooting-halyna-hutchins-1235329568/)

[Taltarzac725]

There still is hope!

“Over the last few days and in preparation for the May 3, 2023, preliminary hearing, new facts were revealed that demand further investigation and forensic analysis in the case against Alexander “Alec” Rae Baldwin, III. Consequently, we cannot proceed under the current time constraints and on the facts and evidence turned over by law enforcement in its existing form. We therefore will be dismissing the involuntary manslaughter charges against Mr. Baldwin to conduct further investigation. This decision does not absolve Mr. Baldwin of criminal culpability and charges may be refiled. Our follow-up investigation will remain active and on-going.”

Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ Charges Dropped, But He’s Not Absolved Yet, Prosecutors Say – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2023/04/alec-baldwin-charges-dropped-rust-shooting-halyna-hutchins-1235329568/)

What forensic analysis? It is pretty clear that the pistol was loaded with a live round and Alec Baldwin pointed it towards the victims and pulled the trigger. But he had no duty to check if the bullets were fake. That was someone else's job. And those two have faced or a facing justice.

[JMintzer]

What forensic analysis? It is pretty clear that the pistol was loaded with a live round and Alec Baldwin pointed it towards the victims and pulled the trigger. But he had no duty to check if the bullets were fake. That was someone else's job. And those two have faced or a facing justice.

I disagree... If the scene called for him to put the gun to his head and pull the trigger, you'd better believe he would have checked the gun...

[manaboutown]

Bet he would have checked the revolver for live ammo if he was going to point it at his own head! Alec Baldwin'''s dropped ‘Rust’ charges do '''not absolve''' him, may be refiled: special prosecutors | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-dropped-rust-charges-not-absolve-may-refiled-special-prosecutors)

[manaboutown]

Actor Alec Baldwin Gets The Best Justice Money Can Buy (https://thefederalist.com/2023/05/04/alec-baldwin-gets-the-best-justice-money-can-buy/?fbclid=IwAR1bkUPTyCC-cQ33VQKBCMscI5ZjjfF90L0ouFK92imufdiGXZzBFgvUXCs)

[Kelevision]

Bet he would have checked the revolver for live ammo if he was going to point it at his own head! Alec Baldwin'''s dropped ‘Rust’ charges do '''not absolve''' him, may be refiled: special prosecutors | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-dropped-rust-charges-not-absolve-may-refiled-special-prosecutors)

You know Rust in back in production, right?!? Still filming. Just started back up last month.

[manaboutown]

Well it is over for now but Alec could be charged in the future.

"Special prosecutors Kari Morrissey and Jason Lewis announced the decision, stating "new facts" were revealed that required further investigation. In their motion to dismiss, the special prosecutors noted that the additional work couldn't be completed before the start of a preliminary hearing scheduled for May 3.

The case was closed in the First Judicial District Court of New Mexico, but Baldwin could potentially still face charges in the future."

'''Rust''' settlement approved in wrongful death lawsuit against Alec Baldwin | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-settlement-approved-wrongful-death-lawsuit-alec-baldwin?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1ErS2x6mTHg3TJDheiIveN6yHzMACRuWghN2N2l 4d3NoklDmeUromkxlY)

[manaboutown]

The future is now!

Alec Baldwin loses attempt to stay a lawsuit in ‘Rust’ battle as actor may face new criminal charges | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-loses-attempt-stay-lawsuit-rust-battle-actor-may-face-new-criminal-charges?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3mmFF0z4WgO3l42mR-fDfF0NURb9vOn35uf6gZStyErdKfsnfNDJVIzwE)

[Taltarzac725]

Attention Required! | Cloudflare (https://www.courthousenews.com/rust-gaffers-lawsuit-moves-forward-as-new-mexico-decision-on-charging-baldwin-looms/)

We will see what happens.

[frayedends]

Just happened upon this thread and scrolled through a few pages over the 42 pages of comments. I have to say I'm shocked by the number of people saying Alec is not culpable. First off, it was a real gun. It had real bullets. He aimed it at someone and pulled the trigger.

If I had done the same and I went to court and said, "Well the armorer at the gun store that handed it to me said it was unloaded or loaded with blanks," do you think that I would be found innocent. No, of course not. And let's not pretend Alec doesn't know anything about guns and is just an actor. He's been spouting off his anti-gun crap for years and acts like he is an authority on the subject.

All I can say to Alec, when he wants to ban guns, is, "well Alec the difference between you and I is that I have never shot and killed anyone."

[wseward]

Why was there any live ammo on a movie set

[frayedends]

Why was there any live ammo on a movie set

I don't believe that's been answered. I've heard stories, but nothing confirmed.

[Taltarzac725]

Just happened upon this thread and scrolled through a few pages over the 42 pages of comments. I have to say I'm shocked by the number of people saying Alec is not culpable. First off, it was a real gun. It had real bullets. He aimed it at someone and pulled the trigger.

If I had done the same and I went to court and said, "Well the armorer at the gun store that handed it to me said it was unloaded or loaded with blanks," do you think that I would be found innocent. No, of course not. And let's not pretend Alec doesn't know anything about guns and is just an actor. He's been spouting off his anti-gun crap for years and acts like he is an authority on the subject.

All I can say to Alec, when he wants to ban guns, is, "well Alec the difference between you and I is that I have never shot and killed anyone."

Movie set where others are responsible for the safety such as the armorer. Not a firing range or something like that. Or a private residence.

[manaboutown]

Movie set where others are responsible for the safety such as the armorer. Not a firing range or something like that. Or a private residence.

That it occurred on a movie set rather than say a biker bar has nothing to do with it. And...it didn't happen during an actual 'shoot', pardon the pun. While on a break from 'shooting' Alec was messing around with a loaded gun he had negligently failed to check for live ammo, aimed it at the poor soul, pulled the trigger and killed her. Then Alec lied to the police, stating he had not pulled the trigger. The FBI crime lab found otherwise, that he had to have pulled the trigger to fire the weapon. Alec Baldwin is culpable of homicide.

[JMintzer]

Movie set where others are responsible for the safety such as the armorer. Not a firing range or something like that. Or a private residence.

Any time a gun is in your hands, YOU are responsible... PERIOD...

If the scene stated he was to put the gun to his head an play "Russian Roulette", do you think he would have depended on someone else to tell him the gun was "safe"?

But sure, keep making excuses for him...

[frayedends]

^^^^^^^^

Exactly. Any person that thinks the person with the gun is not responsible doesn't have a basic knowledge of the rules of gun safety. Treat every gun as if it is loaded. Period.

[Bill14564]

^^^^^^^^

Exactly. Any person that thinks the person with the gun is not responsible doesn't have a basic knowledge of the rules of gun safety. Treat every gun as if it is loaded. Period.

Treat every gun as if it is loaded...or check with an expert to assure you it is safe.

As I understand it, there was a paid professional whose job it was to ensure the gun was safe. Perhaps Baldwin could have checked for himself (other say he absolutely should have) but he supposedly had a professional with more skills and knowledge tell him it was safe.

Should he trust the trained professional armorer or check the gun himself?
Should you trust the trained professional pilot or fly the plane yourself?
Should you trust your trained professional surgeon or operate on yourself?

Suing for hearing loss, temporary deafness, and vibrational shock?? Unfortunately, they will probably win.

[JMintzer]

Treat every gun as if it is loaded...or check with an expert to assure you it is safe.

As I understand it, there was a paid professional whose job it was to ensure the gun was safe. Perhaps Baldwin could have checked for himself (other say he absolutely should have) but he supposedly had a professional with more skills and knowledge tell him it was safe.

Should he trust the trained professional armorer or check the gun himself?
Should you trust the trained professional pilot or fly the plane yourself?
Should you trust your trained professional surgeon or operate on yourself?

Suing for hearing loss, temporary deafness, and vibrational shock?? Unfortunately, they will probably win.

Ridiculous analogies, since one cannot pilot a commercial plane.

And one cannot enter an OR and do their own surgery...

And I've had plenty of patients who've done their own "bathroom surgery" before coming to see me... It rarely works out well... But they do examine their own foot, see there's a problem and go from there. Just as a one should check out a gun wen it's handed to them...

Guns are a completely different animal.

There is a wise saying..."Trust, but verify..."

[frayedends]

Treat every gun as if it is loaded...or check with an expert to assure you it is safe.

As I understand it, there was a paid professional whose job it was to ensure the gun was safe. Perhaps Baldwin could have checked for himself (other say he absolutely should have) but he supposedly had a professional with more skills and knowledge tell him it was safe.

Should he trust the trained professional armorer or check the gun himself?
Should you trust the trained professional pilot or fly the plane yourself?
Should you trust your trained professional surgeon or operate on yourself?

Suing for hearing loss, temporary deafness, and vibrational shock?? Unfortunately, they will probably win.

If he is going to point it at someone and pull the trigger then he should check it himself. Of course you must know this. I mean the outcome of his action is proof enough is it not?

As for your other analogies, as noted above, they are absurd. Alec Baldwin knows how to check if a gun is loaded with real cartridges.

If I were to go to a gun shoot at a local range, and there was a safety officer there to check guns and he handed me a gun and said it was not loaded and I shot someone, I'd be in jail for manslaughter at the very least. Period. That is exactly what happened here. The only possible argument that could be made is there were no real guns on the set and somehow this was planted in Alec's hand by someone on purpose. But that was not the case and Alec knew it.

[Taltarzac725]

If he is going to point it at someone and pull the trigger then he should check it himself. Of course you must know this. I mean the outcome of his action is proof enough is it not?

As for your other analogies, as noted above, they are absurd. Alec Baldwin knows how to check if a gun is loaded with real cartridges.

If I were to go to a gun shoot at a local range, and there was a safety officer there to check guns and he handed me a gun and said it was not loaded and I shot someone, I'd be in jail for manslaughter at the very least. Period. That is exactly what happened here. The only possible argument that could be made is there were no real guns on the set and somehow this was planted in Alec's hand by someone on purpose. But that was not the case and Alec knew it.

I can just see the actors in the John Wick movies making sure their many guns are not loaded with real rounds.

[JMintzer]

I can just see the actors in the John Wick movies making sure their many guns are not loaded with real rounds.

They don't even use blanks in the John Wick movies. All of the gunshots (muzzle flashes) are added digitally, via CGI...

[manaboutown]

“After extensive investigation over the past several months, additional facts have come to light that we believe show Mr. Baldwin has criminal culpability in the death of Halyna Hutchins and the shooting of Joel Souza,” Morrissey and Lewis said in an email. “We believe the appropriate course of action is to permit a panel of New Mexico citizens to determine from here whether Mr. Baldwin should be held over for criminal trial.”

The recent gun analysis from experts in ballistics and forensic testing based in Arizona and New Mexico relied on replacement parts to reassemble the gun fired by Baldwin — after parts of the pistol were broken during earlier testing by the FBI. The report examined the gun and markings it left on a spent cartridge to conclude that the trigger had to have been pulled or depressed.

The analysis led by Lucien Haag of Forensic Science Services in Arizona stated that although Baldwin repeatedly denies pulling the trigger, “given the tests, findings and observations reported here, the trigger had to be pulled or depressed sufficiently to release the fully cocked or retracted hammer of the evidence revolver.”

From: Prosecutors seeking to recharge actor Alec Baldwin in fatal shooting on movie set (https://www.fox8live.com/2023/10/17/prosecutors-seeking-recharge-actor-alec-baldwin-fatal-shooting-movie-set/)

[Taltarzac725]

They seem to be beating a dead horse. Alec Baldwin may be recharged with Rust gun death because of '''additional facts''' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67141319)

[manaboutown]

They seem to be beating a dead horse. Alec Baldwin may be recharged with Rust gun death because of '''additional facts''' - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67141319)

Hopefully this time the prosecutors will be able to get their act together and successfully obtain a verdict of guilty as charged. It still has to get past a grand jury though.

[Caymus]

Hopefully this time the prosecutors will be able to get their act together and successfully obtain a verdict of guilty as charged. It still has to get past a grand jury though.

Do they televise trials in New Mexico?

[Taltarzac725]

Do they televise trials in New Mexico?

Looks like it. Live Video Stream | New Mexico Courts (https://www.nmcourts.gov/live-video-stream/)

State v. Alexander Rae Baldwin | New Mexico Courts (https://www.nmcourts.gov/state-v-alexander-rae-baldwin/)

[Caymus]

Looks like it. Live Video Stream | New Mexico Courts (https://www.nmcourts.gov/live-video-stream/)

State v. Alexander Rae Baldwin | New Mexico Courts (https://www.nmcourts.gov/state-v-alexander-rae-baldwin/)

Could be "Must See TV". Maybe Alex will get to appear on TV before the Actor's Strike is settled.

[manaboutown]

Irony anyone? Watch: Alec Baldwin Fires Prop Guns, Gives Crew Safety Advice in ‘Rust’ Movie Shooting Clips (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/11/16/watch-alec-baldwin-fires-prop-guns-gives-crew-safety-advice-in-rust-movie-shooting-clips/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1SBKmtRq1pSKDSFVjIX8SO1klg-uRPFIZC-7IA_6KD4rNUGjJooCK4ryk)

[manaboutown]

Good news! Justice may yet be served. Alec Baldwin faces new indictment in '''Rust''' movie set shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-faces-new-indictment-rust-movie-set-shooting)

[frayedends]

Good news! Justice may yet be served. Alec Baldwin faces new indictment in '''Rust''' movie set shooting | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-faces-new-indictment-rust-movie-set-shooting)

This is good news. The article proves my point earlier that Baldwin was responsible and he knew he was responsible (not some prop person).


"Baldwin has maintained that he did not pull the trigger of the gun Oct. 21, 2021.

"The trigger wasn’t pulled. I didn’t pull the trigger," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an interview shortly after the fatal shooting.

"No, no, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger. Never."

However, the FBI conducted an accidental discharge test and determined the gun used in the fatal shooting of Hutchins "could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger," ABC News reported.



During the legal back-and-forth, new footage — obtained by NBC News — emerged showing Baldwin firing a prop gun on the film set.

Baldwin can be heard telling crew members to move out of the path of the gun in the video, obtained and published Nov. 16 by NBC News. The footage was reportedly taken some time before Hutchins was fatally shot Oct. 21, 2021.

"Now wait a second. I'm going to shoot right," Baldwin said. "Do you mind going to the other side of the camera? I don't want to shoot toward you."

[Taltarzac725]

This is good news. The article proves my point earlier that Baldwin was responsible and he knew he was responsible (not some prop person).


"Baldwin has maintained that he did not pull the trigger of the gun Oct. 21, 2021.

"The trigger wasn’t pulled. I didn’t pull the trigger," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an interview shortly after the fatal shooting.


"No, no, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger. Never."

However, the FBI conducted an accidental discharge test and determined the gun used in the fatal shooting of Hutchins "could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger," ABC News reported.



During the legal back-and-forth, new footage — obtained by NBC News — emerged showing Baldwin firing a prop gun on the film set.

Baldwin can be heard telling crew members to move out of the path of the gun in the video, obtained and published Nov. 16 by NBC News. The footage was reportedly taken some time before Hutchins was fatally shot Oct. 21, 2021.

"Now wait a second. I'm going to shoot right," Baldwin said. "Do you mind going to the other side of the camera? I don't want to shoot toward you."

This looks like a slam dunk for the defense.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/alec-baldwin-indicted-on-involuntary-manslaughter-charge-in-rust-shooting/ar-BB1gXRL4?OCID=ansmsnnews11

And Alec Baldwin is not someone I e-mailed nor Facebooked or otherwise contacted (regular mail) with my efforts to find support for my very long term interactions with victim/witness assistance providers to spark an ongoing dialog with libraries about the availability of practical materials for this group of users. So I do not have a bias toward or against him.

[manaboutown]

This is good news. The article proves my point earlier that Baldwin was responsible and he knew he was responsible (not some prop person).


"Baldwin has maintained that he did not pull the trigger of the gun Oct. 21, 2021.

"The trigger wasn’t pulled. I didn’t pull the trigger," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an interview shortly after the fatal shooting.

"No, no, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger. Never."

However, the FBI conducted an accidental discharge test and determined the gun used in the fatal shooting of Hutchins "could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger," ABC News reported.



During the legal back-and-forth, new footage — obtained by NBC News — emerged showing Baldwin firing a prop gun on the film set.

Baldwin can be heard telling crew members to move out of the path of the gun in the video, obtained and published Nov. 16 by NBC News. The footage was reportedly taken some time before Hutchins was fatally shot Oct. 21, 2021.

"Now wait a second. I'm going to shoot right," Baldwin said. "Do you mind going to the other side of the camera? I don't want to shoot toward you."

Yes. New Mexico is one of the very poorest states and must ration its expenses carefully. "Thank God for Mississippi!" is a statement I have heard more than once over there. Hopefully adequate funding will be available this time to prosecute Alec to the full extent of the law. He has lied about not pulling the trigger and other serious matters since the get-go.

[HandyGrandpap]

Alec Baldwin’s Hamptons Farmhouse Gets a $10 Million Price Cut

Posted a few days ago in Mansion Global
Alec Baldwin’s Hamptons Farmhouse Gets a $10 Million Price Cut - Mansion Global (https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/alec-baldwins-hamptons-farmhouse-gets-a-10-million-price-cut-47c43940)

[frayedends]

This looks like a slam dunk for the defense.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/alec-baldwin-indicted-on-involuntary-manslaughter-charge-in-rust-shooting/ar-BB1gXRL4?OCID=ansmsnnews11

And Alec Baldwin is not someone I e-mailed nor Facebooked or otherwise contacted (regular mail) with my efforts to find support for my very long term interactions with victim/witness assistance providers to spark an ongoing dialog with libraries about the availability of practical materials for this group of users. So I do not have a bias toward or against him.

I'm really curious how you think this is a slam dunk for the defense. I would also point out the huge falsehood in the article. It was not a "prop" gun. It was a real gun capable of firing real bullets. And the article points out that Baldwin knew it was a real gun and even took precautions in some instances prior to killing a person.

I do have some biases against Baldwin. Mainly my bias is because he is rabidly and vocally anti-legal gun owners. His spewing of anti-2A propaganda tells me that he should know something about the subject. He should know the law and how to be sure a gun is safe an how to treat that gun. Lastly, if it were me in a position where a person of authority told me a gun was not loaded, and I decided to take their word for it and kill someone, I would have been convicted of manslaughter at the very least. Being a "celebrity" should offer no privilege in this matter.

[Taltarzac725]

I'm really curious how you think this is a slam dunk for the defense. I would also point out the huge falsehood in the article. It was not a "prop" gun. It was a real gun capable of firing real bullets. And the article points out that Baldwin knew it was a real gun and even took precautions in some instances prior to killing a person.

I do have some biases against Baldwin. Mainly my bias is because he is rabidly and vocally anti-legal gun owners. His spewing of anti-2A propaganda tells me that he should know something about the subject. He should know the law and how to be sure a gun is safe an how to treat that gun. Lastly, if it were me in a position where a person of authority told me a gun was not loaded, and I decided to take their word for it and kill someone, I would have been convicted of manslaughter at the very least. Being a "celebrity" should offer no privilege in this matter.

In November, NBC News exclusively obtained several videos that showed Baldwin handling at least one prop gun and interacting with crew members while he was filming scenes for “Rust.” The five videos showed Baldwin preparing for scenes, firing the guns and acting in character. In two of them, he tries to rearrange crew members after having expressed concerns about their safety. The five videos total about seven minutes. The crew was shooting for two weeks before production was shut down.

The gun Baldwin fired was so much tampered with by investigators that it was no longer the same prop gun described above.

New "Rust" shooting criminal charges filed against Alec Baldwin for incident that killed Halyna Hutchins - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rust-shooting-alec-baldwin-new-criminal-charge-involuntary-manslaughter/)

[frayedends]

The gun Baldwin fired



There’s really not much more to it.

so much tampered with by investigators that it was no longer the same gun described above.



Fixed the above sentence by removing the word "prop".

If true (I don't see that in the article you posted) it's completely irrelevant. Baldwin's own words during filming indicate he knew the gun could shoot and was dangerous. The fact that he indeed shot someone proves that, of course. If you are arguing that he didn't pull the trigger and the gun malfunctioned, that simply doesn't happen.

[manaboutown]

The gun was not "tampered with". A few parts broke during testing and the broken parts were replaced to conduct further testing.

Alec lied when he told law enforcement and others he did not pull the trigger. He pointed the gun at a woman, pulled the trigger and shot her, killing her.

"GUN ANALYSIS

Experts in ballistics and forensic testing based in Arizona and New Mexico relied on replacement parts to reassemble the gun fired by Baldwin — after parts of the pistol were broken during earlier testing by the FBI. Their report examined the gun and markings it left on a spent cartridge to conclude that the trigger had to have been pulled or depressed.


The analysis led by Lucien Haag of Forensic Science Services in Arizona stated that although Baldwin repeatedly denied pulling the trigger, “given the tests, findings and observations reported here, the trigger had to be pulled or depressed sufficiently to release the fully cocked or retracted hammer of the evidence revolver.”

An earlier FBI report on the agency’s analysis of the gun found that, as is common with firearms of that design, it could go off without pulling the trigger if force was applied to an uncocked hammer — such as by dropping the weapon.

The only way the testers could get it to fire was by striking the gun with a mallet while the hammer was down and resting on the cartridge, or by pulling the trigger while it was fully cocked. The gun eventually broke during testing."

From: What to know about grand jury evidence on actor Alec Baldwin and the 2021 fatal film set shooting | Fox 59 (https://fox59.com/news/entertainment/ap-entertainment/ap-what-to-know-about-grand-jury-evidence-on-actor-alec-baldwin-and-the-2021-fatal-film-set-shooting/)

[Taltarzac725]

There’s really not much more to it.



Fixed the above sentence by removing the word "prop".

If true (I don't see that in the article you posted) it's completely irrelevant. Baldwin's own words during filming indicate he knew the gun could shoot and was dangerous. The fact that he indeed shot someone proves that, of course. If you are arguing that he didn't pull the trigger and the gun malfunctioned, that simply doesn't happen.

It is not his job on a movie set to check to see if the weapon has real bullets. And given the
trauma of the event I would think his memory would not be all that good if he had pulled the trigger. Or not.

This is on a MOVIE SET not gun range. And he does not seem to be a big fan of shooting guns.

And from what I understand this is an old gun which could fire given the right circumstances. Alec Baldwin could have fired Rust gun without using trigger (https://ew.com/movies/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-could-fire-gun-without-pulling-trigger/)

[manaboutown]

It is not his job on a movie set to check to see if the weapon has real bullets. And given the
trauma of the event I would think his memory would not be all that good if he had pulled the trigger. Or not.

This is on a MOVIE SET not gun range. And he does not seem to be a big fan of shooting guns.

And from what I understand this is an old gun which could fire given the right circumstances.

Nonsense.

Alec knew darned well he had pulled the trigger, thereby firing the revolver, and lied about not doing so multiple times. Furthermore he negligently failed to check the revolver for live rounds, especially before pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger, ignoring the most basic rules of firearm safety. It was not for an actual shoot (sorry about using that word here) on an active movie set after the director yelled "Action". He happened to be on a set when he was carelessly fooling around with a loaded gun like a four year old who did not know any better might do. His pointing the loaded revolver which he failed to check for live rounds at the woman, then pulling the trigger, thereby shooting and killing her is simply inexcusable.

[manaboutown]

Witness at trial recounts fatal shooting of cinematographer by Alec Baldwin - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/witness-trial-recounts-fatal-shooting-cinematographer-alec-baldwin-107569630)

Alec Baldwin to stand trial this summer on a charge stemming from deadly '''Rust''' movie set shooting - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/alec-baldwin-stand-trial-summer-charge-stemming-deadly-107557430)