[Villages Kahuna]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Is it still called a tax credit even if you don't owe any taxes?

Yea, and that’s why it’s far less expensive than it’s being implied by some news organizations.

The reason people aren’t taking low-paying jobs is because they’re low paying. If you read the papers and pay attention to more than just Fox News, you’ll find out that lots of well-known companies are raising their lower end pay scales which has largely eliminated their inability to attract new employees. The economic law of supply and demand is working!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

I can't believe how many mean, small-minded people there are in this forum. This is about reducing CHILD poverty.

Yes, it is. However, just how do you do that? We all know (although some are too far left to admit it) that direct payments to the parent(s) tend to go to alcohol, lotto, cigarettes and drugs. Massive amounts of money are spent to help the kids , but it never reaches them.
I don't know the solution, but I think a big step would be to ditch these EBT cards and go back to food stamps, in fact stamps for everything, no cash at all. The landlord gets paid directly, there are stamps only good for school supplies and school lunches, stamps for bus transportation, perhaps a direct payment to an ISP and cell (local use only) provider. Make welfare much less tolerable, a subsistence living like it was in the thirties when people would do ANYTHING to "get off the dole". We have made these handouts a lifestyle that millions are enjoying at the expense of others.
Then, make getting a job, job training, or more education a condition of welfare payments. Provide daycare, preferable by grouping moms into a unit that rotates taking care of the kids with the above self "improvement" categories
Lastly, since you can't stop the recipients from trying to sell their stamps for cash (to get beer, cigarettes and lotto tickets), make it a class B felony to BUY these stamps (punishable by 10-25 in state prison).
At least it would be a start.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Yea, and that’s why it’s far less expensive than it’s being implied by some news organizations.

The reason people aren’t taking low-paying jobs is because they’re low paying. If you read the papers and pay attention to more than just Fox News, you’ll find out that lots of well-known companies are raising their lower end pay scales which has largely eliminated their inability to attract new employees. The economic law of supply and demand is working!

To a certain degree, you are correct. But at the same time, it is pricing some classes of employees out of the market. Who in their right mind is going to take a chance on a 17 year old looking for work when you have to pay $15/hr? At that rate of pay, you bring some more retirees and stay at home moms with work experience back into the job market. As someone who employed 50+ people, I'd take a 60 year old with experience over a 17 year old any day.
The "lower end" jobs were never really intended to be a career, nor a salary with which you could support a family. I just don't know how kids will get the work experience they need with this new pay structure, not to mention it will make automation , which traditionally was more expensive than a minimum wage worker, much more attractive.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Yea, and that’s why it’s far less expensive than it’s being implied by some news organizations.

The reason people aren’t taking low-paying jobs is because they’re low paying. If you read the papers and pay attention to more than just Fox News, you’ll find out that lots of well-known companies are raising their lower end pay scales which has largely eliminated their inability to attract new employees. The economic law of supply and demand is working!

What about the people realizing they make more staying home collecting from the govt than doing actual work?

[Juliebythesea]

Yes, because we sure don’t want to help children do we? THIS is what our government should be doing instead of making wealthy people get more wealthy by tax cuts to the rich.

[bonrich]

Don't forget folks, the Government does not run a business to make money, they spend money, and where does that money come from, wait for it........ YOU!!

[billyb1950]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

If a person can't afford to provide for their children then they shouldn't have any.

Amen!

[Kgcetm]

Should be ZERO.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Juliebythesea

Yes, because we sure don’t want to help children do we? THIS is what our government should be doing instead of making wealthy people get more wealthy by tax cuts to the rich.

Straight out of the far left play book since 1932, page 1

[toeser]

Originally Posted by stan the man

Should be $5000 per/year

Why? Do you wish to make personal responsibility illegal?

[b0bd0herty]

Originally Posted by stan the man

Should be $5000 per/year

Lets just make it $25,000 per year so no body with kids (that they chose to have) have to work. Hope you have cash saved to pay your taxes.

[Astron]

Originally Posted by milling73

We all know how well gov subsidy programs work..like every other hand out program- money will go towards frivolous or wasted purchases for the adult and not change the food or well being status of the child - not one iota

That is a sweeping statement that I would love to see you support with actual evidence, you know proof that would stand up in court. It must be scary and depressing to live in a world where everyone is out to rip you off, neglect their families and never do honest work unless forced. Most of the poor I have known were hard working, honest and loving people. Not being equipped to be financially successful in life does not make you a bad person. Not caring about anyone but yourself does, in my opinion.
People complain when their favorite eatery limits service because they can’t get help for minimum wage or less. But the same people seem to be unwilling to support the people at the bottom of the economic ladder that have to do the best to support their families.
Come on. We are all in this together, and no one is getting out of this alive. We need the woman scrubbing dishes in the restaurant kitchen or mowing the grass as much as the Doctors or entrepreneurs if the system is going to work. Try to make the system work for everyone.

[Billy1]

I did see some loving Christian concern in these replies, increase your tipping so workers can afford child care and the government won't have to cover your tips.

[J1ceasar]

If you want to get into details lbj's Great society started the welfare state, and we have the exact same percentage of poor today as we did 50 plus years ago. Look it up use any statistics you want it's the truth. Giving money away does not help the poor.
However maybe if you give them an additional education and skills to get a better job that might help. I'm not talking about the unfortunate who are sick or do not have proper psychological brains to work.

[gemini5001]

Yeah, yours and mine and everyone else's money.