[graciegirl]

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[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm sorry, but 6 pages ago on this thread you posted the same ridiculous claim regarding "viral loads" and chances of getting COVID from a vaccinated person. So now, 6 pages later, you will get the same response:

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

Please point to a study that says unvaccinated are more likely to carry Delta Covid Viral load vs vaccinated. Dr. Walensky of the CDC explained last month, while the COVID vaccines remain incredibly effective at preventing serious illness and death, “what they cannot do anymore is prevent transmission.”
I disagree with the poison ivy comparison. We KNOW vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated. Your comparison would suggest there would be lower viral loads in vaccinated (lower lesions in clothed poison ivy victims) Assuming you are equating cloths with vaccine, the vaccinated have the same viral loads as the unvaccinated.

[graciegirl]

Sweden. 2020. showing coffins of people who died from Covid. - Bing images

France is overwhelmed by Covid deaths. 2020 - Bing images


Covid deaths in South America. Hospitals overwhelmed. - Bing images

[Weiserj]

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‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

A vaccinated individual who contracts Covid and dies is just as dead as an unvaccinated individual who contracted Covid and died.

A vaccinated individual who becomes infected with Covid can carry similar viral loads as the unvaccinated individual.

The difference is in the likelihood that a vaccinated individual will become infected in the first place.

The vaccine makes this much less likely - not impossible, but not likely. I believe there have also been studies that show that vaccinated individuals who become infected are contagious for fewer days but I can't find that link right now.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

I educated you 3 times about this already, I am not going to repeat it for a 4th.

[graciegirl]

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permanent damage to lungs from covid-19 - Bing images

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Weiserj

Need a 4th j-an?
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak

Increases in Coronavirus Cases Are Happening Mainly in States With Stricter COVID-19 Rules
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

A vaccinated individual who contracts Covid and dies is just as dead as an unvaccinated individual who contracted Covid and died.

A vaccinated individual who becomes infected with Covid can carry similar viral loads as the unvaccinated individual.

The difference is in the likelihood that a vaccinated individual will become infected in the first place.

The vaccine makes this much less likely - not impossible, but not likely. I believe there have also been studies that show that vaccinated individuals who become infected are contagious for fewer days but I can't find that link right now.

The studies I have read agree with your last statement, that the viral loads are the same for the first 7-8 days, then the vaccinated individual's viral load drops at a faster rate than the unvaccinated for the next three to four days.
As for carrying viral loads, studies I read show both vaccinated and non are equally likely to carry DELTA viral loads, though vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic. This could be a greater risk, as they are likely unaware that they are a transmitter. I would think this is why they are saying if you at risk, regardless of the vaccine start to wear your mask again.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Increases in Coronavirus Cases Are Happening Mainly in States With Stricter COVID-19 Rules
‘He did everything right,’ Oklahoma teacher still contracts COVID-19 despite having three Pfizer shots - NewsBreak

??? Where did you get that idea?

Is there a site that ranks Covid restrictions? Certainly, California, New Jersey, and New York would rank high on that list but they are among the states with the smallest increase. Florida must be one of the least restrictive states and led the pack with the current surge.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

??? Where did you get that idea?

Is there a site that ranks Covid restrictions? Certainly, California, New Jersey, and New York would rank high on that list but they are among the states with the smallest increase. Florida must be one of the least restrictive states and led the pack with the current surge.

Florida is not even in the top ten. Texas is not on the list either.
Data was last updated Sept. 20. New cases are measured per 100,000 people.

Louisiana

Seven-day change: 100 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 1,344

Wisconsin

Seven-day change: 50.08 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 2,863

Alaska

Seven-day change: 30.84 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 750

Montana

Seven-day change: 25.02 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 712

Wyoming

Seven-day change: 23.3 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 464

North Dakota

Seven-day change: 19.91 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 350

Michigan

Seven-day change: 14.68 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 3,723

Connecticut

Seven-day change: 6.78 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 748

New Jersey

Seven-day change: 4.81 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 2,133

Maryland

Seven-day change: 3.16 percent increase

Seven-day moving case average: 1,245

I will post the article as well if you like.

Take nothing for granted. You would think FL and TX led the pack, from the way the TV is reporting.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

??? Where did you get that idea?

Is there a site that ranks Covid restrictions? Certainly, California, New Jersey, and New York would rank high on that list but they are among the states with the smallest increase. Florida must be one of the least restrictive states and led the pack with the current surge.

Florida is doing better than NY and NJ. I expanded the list to all 50 states. Again, watching TV one would think FL and TX were the two states with the highest rates. This is yet another reason why people do not trust what is being reported. I'd like to add, the gov't restricting the monoclonal meds to Fl comes across as a very petty, partisan issue. Definitely divisive.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You are quoting data from a single large gathering in a single county in one state that involved less than 500 people. IN NO WAY can that be extrapolated into the hundreds of millions that have been vaccinated. Try again.

LOL You haven't cited any scientific data backing up your assertion that " the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low."

Try again.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Sweden. 2020. showing coffins of people who died from Covid. - Bing images

France is overwhelmed by Covid deaths. 2020 - Bing images


Covid deaths in South America. Hospitals overwhelmed. - Bing images

Hi Gracie: I sincerely feel terrible that you are so petrified and concerned. It is horrible what the "news" media is doing, instilling fear to the point of paralyzing people. I respect your choices and hope you are able to enjoy an unrestricted life again soon.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

LOL You haven't cited any scientific data backing up your assertion that " the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low."

Try again.

The percentage of people vaccinated who carry a viral load is "most likely" many times what is reported. Assuming the claim that the vaccine makes for very mild or even asymptomatic cases, the probability that many positive vaccinated covid Delta carriers are unaware.