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oneclickplus 09-21-2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2007605)
You are younger than me and my husband. We are both eighty.

The other treatments that you mention may be available to those diagnosed with Covid...
Not from a mainstream doctor - you have to go outside the regimented system.

But the Vaccine gives you immunity to Covid to a very high degree.
But, I (and many others) choose to NOT be vaccinated so that is a moot point.

Dr. Fauci is a scientist. I respect his background and his opinion.
Many people do. But, since he (and others) down play and suppress the experiences and treatments that other doctors have for early treatment of COVID, he loses all credibility with me. His ONLY treatment is vax and that is what makes him a charlatan.


How can WE reading this be sure that you tested positive for the "Delta Variant". I was not aware that there was a test for the Delta Variant available to the public.
Tested in Maryland at a county site. Yes, they can tell if it is Delta. This was not a home self-test.

What prohibited meds are you speaking of? Ivermectin? It isn't prohibited. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA
And here you are quoting the FDA. I don't trust them at all. I believe I said that. HCQ which is almost impossible to get but has a 50+ year safety record and works unbelievably well when used very early. Fauci doesn't want anything to work so as to promote universal vax. And HCQ doesn't screw with my immune system (mRNA making spike proteins to provoke an artificial immune response).

The antibody treatment is free and available in The Villages but it is easier to be vaccinated.
That was my plan B. HCQ was plan A and it worked fabulously. HCQ (taken with zinc) greatly improves zinc absorption in cells which curtails viral replication. Done.

I feel skeptical about some of the things you said.
No kidding. Well, then don't pass this on to the people you love that refuse vaccination. Just sit there and hope they will be OK (i.e. do nothing).

FYI - wife also not vax'd and staying that way.

Pommom91 09-21-2021 10:13 AM

Covid
 
Powerful. Made me cry.

macawlaw 09-21-2021 10:15 AM

Pfizer has full FDA approval, From the FDA website (Comirnaty and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA). On August 23, 2021, the FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.

graciegirl 09-21-2021 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2007600)
Pfizer dopes not have FDA approval...only emergency use. The BioNTech has full approval under its label....can't take Pfizer to court if anything goes wrong.....BioNTech is not protected from being liable...only under that one label which can be found no where.

That is incorrect;

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA

SkBlogW 09-21-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2007348)
I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

Great, another fear porn Covid horror story to enjoy with my coffee.

You do realize you are preaching to an audience of villagers who are probably 95% vaccinated?

We have been bombarded with covid porn horror stories for a year and a half now and they accomplish nothing.

If you are under 50 your chances of dying from covid are 25/100,000. If you are under 65 your chances of dying from influenza and pnuemonia are close to 100/100,000 That's 5 times the rate for covid.

If you are one of the over 100 million americans who have survived covid, your chances of reinfection and death are close to zero.

If you are over 65, and have never had covid, you should (in order of effectiveness)

1. Get fully vaccinated, and get booster shot when available
2. Practice social distancing, even with friends who are vaccinated
3. Lose some freakin weight, 42% of you are obese
4. Wear an N95 mask when indoors with others.

Old people have a right to be afraid of covid. They do not have a right to insist that the young and healthy or covid survivors get vaccinated. Instead of whining about others, try eating more healthy foods, take walks, go swimming, ride a bike etc.

Except for some island nations in the south pacific, and Kuwait, Americans are the fattest country on earth. Which is a major reason why we have had so many deaths from covid.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

Covid: CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized were overweight or obese

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC.

Most Obese Countries 2021

QuickStats: Death Rates from Influenza and Pneumonia Among Persons Aged ≥65 Years, by Sex and Age Group — National Vital Statistics System, United States, 2018 | MMWR

Snookie100 09-21-2021 11:01 AM

Not everyone goes to the hospital or dies. But why take the risk?

graciegirl 09-21-2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2007613)
three percent of all Americans have died from covid?? Hardly

333 million times 3% = 9,990,000

The actual percentage of Americans who have died?

687,783 covid deaths USA divided by 333 million = 0.2 %

I knew I was wrong the minute I read it. Thank you for correcting me.

Six hundred thousand people have died from Covid. I believe that. The debaters say how do you know? I see no reason for people to lie. The debaters say...it is being made serious so the makers of the vaccine can sell it. But I say........ This is just not happening here. This is happening all over the world. This virus has not been here before and it is killing people. NOW with the Delta Variant it is much more contagious. At first we worried about washing our hands but now we know the main danger is indoors in poorly ventilated areas.

Geodyssey 09-21-2021 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Singerlady (Post 2007408)
If that article isn’t enough to get the vaccine, I don’t know what is. Scary stuff.

Another anecdotal scare article. So many of those... BOO!

So here's another-

Wife and I both had the coof last year. Was like a cold/flu. Lasted 6 or 7 days, no lingering effects except natural immunity.

Not very scary, now was it?

graciegirl 09-21-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 2007602)
Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

I think I have asked you before. How old are you?

Age makes a huge difference as to how this virus affects people. I am very glad you are okay. You are fortunate. However, the vaccine is safe for most people and reliable.

How old are you??

Love2Swim 09-21-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2007614)
FYI - wife also not vax'd and staying that way.

stay away from me. I avoid the anti-vexers like the plague.

Geodyssey 09-21-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 2007602)
Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.


My experience was similar, except my sense of smell was heightened. Weird. But no long-term effects. I feel great.

Love2Swim 09-21-2021 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007562)
I hope this makes you feel a little bit better. There are, as of 2020 count, 332,000,000 people in the US. As of Sept 20, 2021 there are 676,076 deaths. That comes out to just over 2/10th of one percent. That is .002. Three percent would be .03. Had 3% of the pop[ulation died it would be just under 10 million deaths

Over 600,000 people dead is supposed to make us feel better????

Geodyssey 09-21-2021 11:46 AM

Since obesity causes far, FAR more deaths and illness than covid, how would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?

Why not?

Notice all the finger-wagging fat nurses (aka "heroes") loving the attention.

IMPidd 09-21-2021 11:55 AM

I agree, great piece of propaganda...convincing argument designed to support a believed "Truth"... One's "Truth" is what you believe " IS TRUTH"... Must remember Education and Intelligence are not the same commodity...both often mascarade as the other...some are educated beyond their intelligence... Few have both in proper proportion to dicect passionate but fraudulent stories. Human nature leads people to be bias to popular "Truths" so to part of the majority...safety in numbers...600 years ago Settled Science held the Earth was flat with the Sun in orbit... Safe belief as contract position could be fatal...fast forward to Modern Science... Today we are being "Educated" that mandatory MASK Requirements will PROTECT the previously vaccinated from Covid..( VP Harris)... Question???? Where is the Intelligence..? Make up your own mind... PS .If you believe YOU need a Booster to protect me...I prefer you isolate in your home and call Doordash to deliver your food.....Peace

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-21-2021 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 2007602)
Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

Awesome, good for you!

Meanwhile, my sister ended up sick as a dog for three months, because of someone JUST LIKE YOU.

The downside is, she -can't- vaccinate because of a bloodclotting disorder. So people JUST LIKE YOU will continue roaming freely, coughing their way through life.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-21-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Geodyssey (Post 2007656)
Since obesity causes far, FAR more deaths and illness than covid, how would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?

Why not?

Notice all the finger-wagging fat nurses (aka "heroes") loving the attention.

Obesity isn't contagious. You being fat is no threat to my health.

coffeebean 09-21-2021 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mayes (Post 2007585)
My point was that’s it’s an individual decision. You may think it’s a cut-and-dry choice but some don’t feel the same as you.

That is why there is a need for vaccine mandates.

Geodyssey 09-21-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2007674)
Obesity isn't contagious. You being fat is no threat to my health.

Of course you avoided answering THE QUESTION, so I'll ask again:

"How would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?"

And, I'm not fat. You?

I'm not contagious.

The issue is obese Americans taking up space (pun) and $Billions in the healthcare system that could be directed elsewhere. Yes, obese people do impose a huge (pun) cost on everyone else, including health costs.

Bill14564 09-21-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Geodyssey (Post 2007656)
Since obesity causes far, FAR more deaths and illness than covid, how would people feel if the government mandated diets & exercise for these fat slobs overloading the US healthcare system?

Why not?

Notice all the finger-wagging fat nurses (aka "heroes") loving the attention.

Where did you get the "FAR more deaths and illness" information? The numbers I can find indicate about 300,000 deaths per year from obesity which is about 1/2 the number of deaths attributed to COVID.

When the "fat slobs" fill the hospital beds and cause a problem for me and my family I will worry about it.

When the "fat slobs" infect me and my family and cause us to be fat slobs too then I will worry about it.

And in answer to your other question, when the "fat slobs" impact the health care system and society in general in the same way the unvaccinated are today, THEN it might make sense for the Govt. to issue mandates. For obesity, that is not the case today and it hasn't been the case in the past. For the unvaccinated it most certainly is.

vb993 09-21-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2007421)
Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

Most people who drive their cars and do not wear a seat belt arrive home just fine. It is those uneducated fake news watchers that think they will never get into a car accident, or get terminally ill from a virus because of low risk. Ask the families of those 650,000 dead americans, who made that gamble and lost. Keep watching those propaganda disinformation networks to keep hearing what you want to hear, instead of actual facts.

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2007348)
I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
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Wonderful article ssssooooo moving and sssssoooo sad. My eyes are watering. What a WASTE! What an IGNOBLE way to leave the earth. And I wonder how many people each UNvaccinated person took with them or caused them permanent, long-term damage? And what about long-term damage to America???????
That poor RT lady. No wonder hospitals are running out of staff. And what happens IF a super-DELTA variant develops?

coffeebean 09-21-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2007595)
The fallacy of this list is that "Stage 1" is in the hospital. This is because Fauci and friends (NIH, CDC, FDA, fakebook, google, twitter, youtube) suppress and censor any and all treatment options. I had COVID. I beat it back in 48 hours with a treatment classified as "misinformation" by the pundits. The real list should begin something like:

Stage 1: you don't feel well and you think might have COVID. Go get tested.

Stage 2: Ignore Fauci and begin early treatment options that are working. America's Frontline Doctors have much to offer including early treatment options. This is from many doctors who are actually treating COVID patients. Fauci has not treated anyone for COVID.

Stage 3: End of COVID infection whether vaccinated or not.

Failure to do the above and just waiting at home with no treatment to see what your body will do on its own (other than a coerced vax, this is the only recommended action by Fauci, and all the 3-letter agencies) and then you have a good chance of a hospital visit.

Not getting vaccinated is not the problem. Suppression of valid, effective treatment options in order to coerce vaccination is the problem. Think for yourselves. Don't let anyone do it for you.

I (not vaccinated and staying that way) was infected along with my friend Rich (Pfizer vax) on Aug 18 at a local pub. We both got mildly sick (fever, headache, etc) at the same time and we both tested positive for the Delta variant. I took immediate action (already had "prohibited" meds on hand and ready to go from Frontline Doctors). I had enough for Rich and offered them to him. He refused preferring to rely on his Pfizer promise. A week later he was not improving and went in for the monoclonal crap. It will be 5 weeks tomorrow and he is still too weak to go out for a beer. My recovery was so fast (48 hours) that I didn't even infect my wife who shares a bed with me. No, Rich is not dead. Pfizer may have kept him from getting deathly ill. But, he is still a mess 5 weeks later.

I went and got the anti-body test and I now have robust natural immunity.

I know many of you will just file this under "misinformation". Do so at your own peril or that of your relatives who like me will never bow to Saint Anthony (fauci).

P. S. I am 64 and Rich is 67

Dr. Fauci is a proponent of the Regeneron treatment. Why do you think he tries to suppress the use of the treatment? Dr. Fauci said early on that the Regeneron cocktail probably helped President Trump recover. Dr. Fauci recommends the Regeneron treatment in the early stages of Covid.

Dr. Fauci supports monoclonal antibody treatments. Does it stop severe COVID? - Deseret News

As an aside....... why are there still so many un-vaccinated people dying of Covid if this Regeneron treatment is a proven life saver? Are these people not seeking the treatment early enough in their illness?

coffeebean 09-21-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2007600)
Pfizer dopes not have FDA approval...only emergency use. The BioNTech has full approval under its label....can't take Pfizer to court if anything goes wrong.....BioNTech is not protected from being liable...only under that one label which can be found no where.

I am aware of all this. Fact remains, the exact formula that makes up the Pfizer vaccine, under another name, has full FDA approval.

coffeebean 09-21-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 2007602)
Let me be the first to tell you that I had Covid and I’m still glad that I didn’t get the shot.

My stages were:
1: Dry cough for a couple of days
2: Then a little lethargic for a three days. Two of those days I had muscle/joint aches
3: Temporary loss of smell

My doctor offered a Steroids, I opted not to.
Since my cough lasted three weeks. That classified me as a Covid long hauler. (Any symptoms lasting more than two weeks is classified as long haul)
It’s been seven weeks since my initial symptoms. I have antibodies, I feel normal and I haven’t received a vaccine that has no long term studies regarding side it’s effects.

I'm happy for you that you fared very well after having Covid. Having said that, there are many reports of un-vaccinated people pleading for the vaccine just before they are intubated. Things didn't work out so well for them.

coffeebean 09-21-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by byte1 (Post 2007606)
only problem at this time is the side effects. You will be protected against all viruses, but the vaccine causes bald head, heavy beard, warts on nose, man boobs and sagging butt. But, you will never have to worry about ever catching a virus. :1rotfl::clap2::1rotfl:
Women may or may not find an issue with the side effects......:1rotfl:

lol.

Red Rose 09-21-2021 01:03 PM

My husband and I know 3 people from The Villages who have died as described in the 7 stages. What a horrible way to die. All because they "didn't believe in" getting vaccinated. It's your choice, but I have lived 75 years listening to the medical field and getting all my vaccinations from childhood to present, so I'm not taking any chances with my life now. I'm looking forward to getting the booster when it's available to me.

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2007421)
Most unvaccinated people who get Covid do not go to the hospital and recover just fine. No one wants to hear that though

Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

Blueblaze 09-21-2021 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2007514)
There is only one vaccine at this time that is available to prevent one kind of Cancer and it is widely given to young teens.


Covid can be prevented or made less deadly. Get vaccinated. Don't die like this or lose someone you love.

OK. Done that. So did all your neighbors.

So why are we still talking about this when we have neighbors SMOKING, for crying out loud! It's whole new batch of people to badger relentlessly over their personal decisions that are none of our business!

The CDC says smoking is the leading PREVENTABLE cause of death, and it kills more than 480,000 people every year, including many from SECONDHAND SMOKE! Your neighbor's smoking is a danger to your life, same as if he's an anti-vaxer!

Now that we know we can force people against their will to do what's good for them, it's time to stamp out the scourge of smoking! What do those people think this is, some kind of free country or something?

coffeebean 09-21-2021 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Rose (Post 2007700)
My husband and I know 3 people from The Villages who have died as described in the 7 stages. What a horrible way to die. All because they "didn't believe in" getting vaccinated. It's your choice, but I have lived 75 years listening to the medical field and getting all my vaccinations from childhood to present, so I'm not taking any chances with my life now. I'm looking forward to getting the booster when it's available to me.

It is available now for people over 65. I'm getting my booster in a couple of days at my PCP office. Appointment is made.

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 01:16 PM

The Vaccinated are a Threat to the unvaccinated!
 
“The vaccinated are a danger to the unvaccinated because of shedding!”: The latest COVID-19 antivaccine disinformation | Science-Based Medicine

drducat 09-21-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2007620)

The article agrees with what I said...

The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.



Comirnaty is not being made yet.

Velvet 09-21-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2007709)
The article agrees with what I said...

The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.



Comirnaty is not being made yet.

Comirnaty is the brand name for Pfizer, but I guess you knew that already.

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2007701)
Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 2007653)
stay away from me. I avoid the anti-vexers like the plague.

Why is that? Why do you avoid only them, when the vaccinated also carry the same viral load. The vaccine decreases symptoms, and lowers your chance of getting it (Breakthrough). You are at risk with those vaxxed as you are with those unvaxxed.

golfing eagles 09-21-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2007438)
OR…… BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FL…..YOU CAN HAVE THESE STAGES OF COVID

Stage 1: out of nowhere your hit with a headache, fever and a burning cough
Stage 2: you take a home Covid test……it’s positive……
Stage 3: you go online and register for monoclonal antibodies treatment at Barn Storm….you get in that day
Stage 4: you choose between IV or 4 shots…..if you have symptoms go for the IV it works faster
Stage 5: you go home call your doctor for a phone apt, your doctor orders a ZPac and prednisone
Stage 6: you stay home for 10 days, take your medicine, get rest, drink tons of water and take a short walk every day
Stage 7: on day 11 you feel good you may still have a small cough but all and all the monoclonal did it’s job.
Stage 8: now you have Natural immunity not a leaky shot immunity, the chances of get Covid again are very very slim……unlike all the breakthrough cases

No I don’t wish Covid on anyone but there are ways to walk through this without getting really sick. FYI the infusion is for anyone vax and non-vax a like.

I am so over everyone trying to push their beliefs on others and if you think that vax people don’t get really sick and even die you are sadly missed informed

This vax vs non-vax is worse then the election……..stop the hate and just do YOU

Well, I agree with one thing----SOMEONE is sadly misinformed. (it's like missed informed, only grammatically correct)

golfing eagles 09-21-2021 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2007482)
When a little over 1% of Covid cases result in death, it is impossible that only 0.05% of cases result in hospitalization.

Please don't confuse these people with facts and logic:pray::pray::pray:

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snookie100 (Post 2007640)
Not everyone goes to the hospital or dies. But why take the risk?

Hi Snookie. Depending on your age and health, covid can pose a very very low risk to you. The risk of an unknown vaccine with no long term studies, when compared to the risk of covid to a young, healthy fit individual presents a choice to the individual.

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rrb48310 (Post 2007530)
Ok, BUT have you heard of anyone who had Covid say I’m glad I didn’t get the shot?

I personally know of friends and acquaintances that were “non-vaccers “ that got Covid were hospitalized and recovered that now are posting on social media to get vaccinated.

Why take the chance

I agree with a fellow poster, it’s about protecting one another (not political) and our economy. Matthew 25 looking out for your fellow man (woman and CHILDREN).

When both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry similar viral loads, how exactly are the unvaccinated a risk to you? New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2007701)
Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated
The assumption that unvaccinated people are viral factories for more dangerous variants is false
Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines put evolutionary pressure on viruses to speed up mutations and create more virulent and dangerous variants
Viruses mutate all the time, and if you have a vaccine that doesn’t block infection completely, then the virus will mutate to evade the immune response within that person. That is one of the distinct features of the COVID shots — they’re not designed to block infection. They allow infection to occur and at best lessen the symptoms of that infection
In an unvaccinated person, the virus does not encounter the same evolutionary pressure to mutate into something stronger. So, if SARS-CoV-2 does end up mutating into more lethal strains, then mass vaccination is most likely the driver
So far, SARS-CoV-2 variants are at most 0.3% different from the original Wuhan virus. Such minor variation means the virus will not present itself as a new virus. If you’ve recovered from COVID-19, your immune system will still recognize it

Byte1 09-21-2021 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2007701)
Yes, just spin the roulette wheel, take your chances, and hope. Sounds like a good plan! Also, close the mind from thinking about the HURTING of other people and the encouraging of the CV to gain in strength. Denmark has an 86% vaccination rate and has completely returned to NORMAL. It IS likely that the US will NEVER return to normal.

Population of Denmark = LESS THAN 6 million

Good for Denmark. NYC has a larger population.
It is rumored that The Villages has a vaccination rate of around 85%.
CV is NOT gaining in strength. It has gained in the infection rate.

Since we have millions flowing into our country via the Southern border, we must make room for them, so Covid is working slowly but fairly efficiently. After all, with Global Warming :1rotfl: the tree huggers should be very happy. Less bodies to produce flatulence.


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