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Bill14564 09-21-2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2007709)
The article agrees with what I said...

The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.



Comirnaty is not being made yet.

You must have missed this post on one of the other threads:

Fact Check-Media reports have not lied about Pfizer-BioNTech’s FDA approval
Fact check: FDA has fully approved Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine
The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection
Fact Check: Pfizer vaccine fully approved
Claim that the first COVID-19 vaccine that was approved by the FDA is somehow different than the Pfizer vaccine currently available is misleading
Researcher Distorts Facts on COVID-19 Vaccine Approval, Liability

From the FactCheck article:


Malone did not respond to our request for comment, but acknowledged in an Aug. 30 tweet that he was “wrong” about the purported differences in liability. Malone told the Washington Post‘s Fact Checker: “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.”


Those are six separate fact checks on the same topic. Can you provide even two that support your position and don't come from Malone, Bannon, Kennedy, or the My Pillow guy?

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2007704)
OK. Done that. So did all your neighbors.

So why are we still talking about this when we have neighbors SMOKING, for crying out loud! It's whole new batch of people to badger relentlessly over their personal decisions that are none of our business!

The CDC says smoking is the leading PREVENTABLE cause of death, and it kills more than 480,000 people every year, including many from SECONDHAND SMOKE! Your neighbor's smoking is a danger to your life, same as if he's an anti-vaxer!

Now that we know we can force people against their will to do what's good for them, it's time to stamp out the scourge of smoking! What do those people think this is, some kind of free country or something?

Let us not ignore the damage of staying up late watching TV. In cold war Romania, the dictator Ceausescu use to have the TV stations turned off at 10:30 every weeknight because as their dictator he knew it was best for them. If he did not they may stay up late watching TV and cause accidents, harming themselves and others at work. Wouldn't shock me if a few here think that is a great idea. Don't lives matter.

golfing eagles 09-21-2021 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2007595)
The fallacy of this list is that "Stage 1" is in the hospital. This is because Fauci and friends (NIH, CDC, FDA, fakebook, google, twitter, youtube) suppress and censor any and all treatment options. I had COVID. I beat it back in 48 hours with a treatment classified as "misinformation" by the pundits. The real list should begin something like:

Stage 1: you don't feel well and you think might have COVID. Go get tested.

Stage 2: Ignore Fauci and begin early treatment options that are working. America's Frontline Doctors have much to offer including early treatment options. This is from many doctors who are actually treating COVID patients. Fauci has not treated anyone for COVID.

Stage 3: End of COVID infection whether vaccinated or not.

Failure to do the above and just waiting at home with no treatment to see what your body will do on its own (other than a coerced vax, this is the only recommended action by Fauci, and all the 3-letter agencies) and then you have a good chance of a hospital visit.

Not getting vaccinated is not the problem. Suppression of valid, effective treatment options in order to coerce vaccination is the problem. Think for yourselves. Don't let anyone do it for you.

I (not vaccinated and staying that way) was infected along with my friend Rich (Pfizer vax) on Aug 18 at a local pub. We both got mildly sick (fever, headache, etc) at the same time and we both tested positive for the Delta variant. I took immediate action (already had "prohibited" meds on hand and ready to go from Frontline Doctors). I had enough for Rich and offered them to him. He refused preferring to rely on his Pfizer promise. A week later he was not improving and went in for the monoclonal crap. It will be 5 weeks tomorrow and he is still too weak to go out for a beer. My recovery was so fast (48 hours) that I didn't even infect my wife who shares a bed with me. No, Rich is not dead. Pfizer may have kept him from getting deathly ill. But, he is still a mess 5 weeks later.

I went and got the anti-body test and I now have robust natural immunity.

I know many of you will just file this under "misinformation". Do so at your own peril or that of your relatives who like me will never bow to Saint Anthony (fauci).

P. S. I am 64 and Rich is 67

I have no idea what "prohibited meds" from "frontline doctors" is, but since monoclonal antibodies were referred to as "crap", I can only assume these "prohibited meds" were about 27 levels lower than "crap". But you might be protected against horse parasites:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles 09-21-2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2007605)
You are younger than me and my husband. We are both eighty.

The other treatments that you mention may be available to those diagnosed with Covid...

But the Vaccine gives you immunity to Covid to a very high degree.

Dr. Fauci is a scientist. I respect his background and his opinion.

How can WE reading this be sure that you tested positive for the "Delta Variant". I was not aware that there was a test for the Delta Variant available to the public.

What prohibited meds are you speaking of? Ivermectin? It isn't prohibited. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 | FDA

The antibody treatment is free and available in The Villages but it is easier to be vaccinated.

I feel skeptical about some of the things you said.

GG, you were much kinder than I. Almost all of what was said could be used to fertilize about 12,000 acres of farmland.

John Mayes 09-21-2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2007678)
That is why there is a need for vaccine mandates.

I disagree. That is not a reason for vaccine mandates.

As has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam, the federal government has no place in trying to issue a national mandate. They never have and, in my opinion, would never stand up constitutionally. If individual states wish to do so, they can for those institutions that are under their control.

Mandates, such as vaccine requirements are a slippery slope. What you deem as a public health necessity can be be contorted by others in the future to impose mandates that you may very well find inappropriate or invasive.

My philosophy is to take care of yourself to the point possible and let others make their own decisions.

John Mayes 09-21-2021 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2007673)
Awesome, good for you!

Meanwhile, my sister ended up sick as a dog for three months, because of someone JUST LIKE YOU.

The downside is, she -can't- vaccinate because of a bloodclotting disorder. So people JUST LIKE YOU will continue roaming freely, coughing their way through life.

So, with the pre-existing conditions you described, your sister didn’t take extra precautions to avoid being exposed?

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2007438)
OR…… BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FL…..YOU CAN HAVE THESE STAGES OF COVID

Stage 1: out of nowhere your hit with a headache, fever and a burning cough
Stage 2: you take a home Covid test……it’s positive……
Stage 3: you go online and register for monoclonal antibodies treatment at Barn Storm….you get in that day
Stage 4: you choose between IV or 4 shots…..if you have symptoms go for the IV it works faster
Stage 5: you go home call your doctor for a phone apt, your doctor orders a ZPac and prednisone
Stage 6: you stay home for 10 days, take your medicine, get rest, drink tons of water and take a short walk every day
Stage 7: on day 11 you feel good you may still have a small cough but all and all the monoclonal did it’s job.
Stage 8: now you have Natural immunity not a leaky shot immunity, the chances of get Covid again are very very slim……unlike all the breakthrough cases

No I don’t wish Covid on anyone but there are ways to walk through this without getting really sick. FYI the infusion is for anyone vax and non-vax a like.

I am so over everyone trying to push their beliefs on others and if you think that vax people don’t get really sick and even die you are sadly missed informed

This vax vs non-vax is worse then the election……..stop the hate and just do YOU

I will "assume that it is an"attempt" at being helpful. However, it fails on, at least, 2 logical fronts - seems like trying to have your cake and eating it too - and it would actually ENCOURAGE risky behavior.
........It seems motivated by an impulse to distrust government and medical experts.
.........It is like a person pointing a finger at the government and saying, "you can't make me......I am a free spirit......a rugged individual......owing no allegiance to any entity, except myself"
Denmark has an 86% vaccine rate and has achieved the "holy grail" of herd immunity and has declared a complete return to normal. New Zealand has .6 persons per 100,000 CV deaths ....one of the world's lowest. The US, for comparison, has 207 per 100,000 Russia says it has 112 Finland has 19 South Korea has 4
.......IMO......just saying.....SOMETHING (?) is wrong with the US?

Wyseguy 09-21-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2007737)
I have no idea what "prohibited meds" from "frontline doctors" is, but since monoclonal antibodies were referred to as "crap", I can only assume these "prohibited meds" were about 27 levels lower than "crap". But you might be protected against horse parasites:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

There is a medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid. Instead of being happy, a certain "type" of person makes childish jokes about it. What do these nasty people gain from such behaviour?

golfing eagles 09-21-2021 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007729)
When both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry similar viral loads, how exactly are the unvaccinated a risk to you? New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by paulajr (Post 2007453)
And…there are those…like every single person I know personally, who get cold like symptoms, plus some loss of taste and smell, and get better and move on. I hate posts like this that try to instill fear. You are probably the ones I see driving in your carts wearing a mask. 🙄

I disagree vehemently with this post.

golfing eagles 09-21-2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007753)
There is a medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid. Instead of being happy, a certain "type" of person makes childish jokes about it. What do these nasty people gain from such behaviour?

Care to name this "medicine that scientists, doctors, virologists all agree works to lessen the effects of covid." and who they are? The only "childish" behavior is avoiding a proven vaccine to take a bunch of garbage touted by some wackos on the internet.

Redsmom 09-21-2021 02:22 PM

Blame who?
 
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Originally Posted by Cheiro (Post 2007509)
This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.

Amazingly, while we’re having this back-and-forth discussion, and throwing blame at the unvaccinated people (many of whom have good reasons to resist this jab) we forget who IS responsible for this virus: China, and those that funded China, to perform gain of function research.

tvbound 09-21-2021 02:29 PM

There sure a lot of previously hardcore anti-vaxxers that have died lately, due to Covid. Sadly, a large number of them have had a change of heart at the last minute, while they're on their deathbed. I can't imagine how hard it is for the doctors/nurses to have to tell them, "I'm sorry, but it's too late to get the vaccine now."

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob.Betty (Post 2007491)
A person can go to a number of articles, opinions, doctors, etc. etc. and find the information to support their own opinions. My wife and I (both boomers) do not (and will not) get flu shots, shingles shots, covid shot, or any other shot offered to us. We have both had covid and amazingly enough survived to tell about it. In fact I personally know many people including family members and friends who have had it....NONE of them died. A person must do what is right for them, you are exposed to many harmful things everyday.
Stay clear of the golf cart paths if you don't want to get run over.

I guess that is a warning to pedestrians on the muti-type paths, "we don't stop for nobody". Mature?

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2007503)
I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!

I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So, they are comparable......HOW?

graciegirl 09-21-2021 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Redsmom (Post 2007761)
Amazingly, while we’re having this back-and-forth discussion, and throwing blame at the unvaccinated people (many of whom have good reasons to resist this jab) we forget who IS responsible for this virus: China, and those that funded China, to perform gain of function research.

Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem that this virus did indeed start and it has spread all over the planet, not just to areas that affect the U.S. Political outcome.

And this virus lives and has now mutated into the much more contagious Delta Variant and that kills and it harms and it injures and it is very dangerous to a small percentage of the population and some don't know that until they end up in the hospital.

or dead.

It isn't a problem that was engineered to change the political environment in the U.S. It started in China, spread quickly to Italy...remember February of 2020, reading about there being so many deaths that they couldn't carry the corpses away in Northern Italy? We watched, many of us, not knowing what really was happening, and I believe that that included our savvy agencies like the FDA and the CDC. Then on to country after country throughout the world. Not many parts have been spared on this planet.

Please type Johns Hopkins Covid Tracker into your browser. Johns Hopkins is a large teaching hospital in Maryland, rated number one in the U.S. for several years and it is known for it's research and it's ethics and it's expertise in many areas of medicine. It is not affiliated with the Federal Government.

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2007503)
I you think death by Covid is gruesome, you should see death by Cancer!

Odds of dying from Covid 19: 1 in 914

Odds of dying from cancer: 1 in 533

How come we don't post cancer panic-porn on this site for old folks, where nearly everyone is already vaccinated and immune to Covid, but at high risk for cancer, for which there is no vaccine?

I see people smoking in the Villages all the time. Shouldn't we be hounding them relentlessly to quit smoking? Think of all the black lung pictures we could post and endlessly comment on! We could have a "7 stages of dying from lung cancer" thread that would make Covid look like a bout of hay fever!

I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So CV and cancer are compatible......HOW?

graciegirl 09-21-2021 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2007780)
I don't believe that there is a vaccine for cancer. So CV and cancer are compatible......HOW?

There is now a vaccination against Cervical Cancer and related Cancers in men and is now given routinely to young teens.

HPV Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC

tvbound 09-21-2021 02:50 PM

"Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem"

That pretty much speaks for itself and is what we should be concentrating on.

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheiro (Post 2007509)
This is not a circumstance to respect a choice where such a choice is a-clear-and-present-danger to everyone else.
The unvaccinated are responsible for the recent outbreak of the disease, it is their fault that the deaths have now exceeded the US deaths of the 1918 flu (675,000) and now stands at 680,000 (48,000 in Florida). The vaccine is not a choice it is the responsible thing to do.

I agree with the contents of this post.

coffeebean 09-21-2021 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007716)
How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.

One of my concerns with the UN-vaccinated are the amount of hospital beds that are occupied by them, leaving the heath care system stressed. This is real and is happening all over the country. There was a 72 year old man who died of a heart attack when there were no ICU hospital beds available for him. This happened in Alabama I believe. That can happen anywhere and that is what concerns me.

I found an article about it........

An Alabama Man Dies After Being Turned Away From 43 Hospitals At Capacity : Coronavirus Updates : NPR

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2007528)
I knew COVID was bad, just from reports of a couple of friends who never got beyond Stage 2. But this level of description can’t be described as anything but terrifying. Every person refusing vaccination or trying to convince others to decline the vaccine should be forced to read this. Thank you for posting it.

My wife and I are both vaccinated, me with the third Pfizer shot, my wife scheduled for her third later this week. We still stay away from large crowds, socially distance, and wear masks indoors when with others. Dying as described in this article isn’t anything we want to make possible—for us or others.

Great post! Great summary!

coffeebean 09-21-2021 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007731)
New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated
The assumption that unvaccinated people are viral factories for more dangerous variants is false
Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines put evolutionary pressure on viruses to speed up mutations and create more virulent and dangerous variants
Viruses mutate all the time, and if you have a vaccine that doesn’t block infection completely, then the virus will mutate to evade the immune response within that person. That is one of the distinct features of the COVID shots — they’re not designed to block infection. They allow infection to occur and at best lessen the symptoms of that infection
In an unvaccinated person, the virus does not encounter the same evolutionary pressure to mutate into something stronger. So, if SARS-CoV-2 does end up mutating into more lethal strains, then mass vaccination is most likely the driver
So far, SARS-CoV-2 variants are at most 0.3% different from the original Wuhan virus. Such minor variation means the virus will not present itself as a new virus. If you’ve recovered from COVID-19, your immune system will still recognize it

Where are you getting this information from? Can you provide a link please?

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 03:01 PM

NO, nor even close. Never happened!

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007546)
Didn't they report that the vaccine was not effective against the delta variant?

NO. Definitely not! Never happened.

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2007549)
It's great that most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine.

I'm glad to hear it.

Sadly, there are people who will hear that and say "you see? It's no big deal, I don't have to get vaccinated, or wear a mask, or social distance. This cough? It's just allergies, no big deal. My wheezing? Just a spring cold. Test? Nah, why bother? Even if I have COVID-19, it's likely I'll just stay in bed a day and feel fine tomorrow. No need to take ANY precautions, because I heard that "most unvaccinated people who get COVID don't go to the hospital and recover just fine."

There are MILLIONS of people who have that attitude. Those are the people who are dying in the hospitals now.

That's why some people should NOT be hearing that cheerful news, and why they need to see what actually goes on when someone IS sick with COVID, in the hospital.

I fail to understand the OVER-ZEALOUSNOUS of the anti-vaccine crowd. Why, why, and why?

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mayes (Post 2007585)
My point was that’s it’s an individual decision. You may think it’s a cut-and-dry choice but some don’t feel the same as you.

Many individuals are having GREAT problems making "individual decisions" because of the proliferation of media and many relatively NEW (post-1985) media channels that are engaged in misinformation. From1940 to about 1970 a person could trust the media to be telling the truth. Russia and China certainly do NOT want the US to succeed so they put out misinformation. Average people do not take the time to verify what they read on Facebook, Instagram, or other internet sites. It is hard! This particular thread about the Respiratory Therapist IS rather irrefutable, factual, informative, and sad. It is good information and is advice to LITERALLY LIVE by!

jdulej 09-21-2021 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2007778)
Where it started is not nearly as important as defining the problem that this virus did indeed start and it has spread all over the planet, not just to areas that affect the U.S. Political outcome.

And this virus lives and has now mutated into the much more contagious Delta Variant and that kills and it harms and it injures and it is very dangerous to a small percentage of the population and some don't know that until they end up in the hospital.

or dead.

It isn't a problem that was engineered to change the political environment in the U.S. It started in China, spread quickly to Italy...remember February of 2020, reading about there being so many deaths that they couldn't carry the corpses away in Northern Italy? We watched, many of us, not knowing what really was happening, and I believe that that included our savvy agencies like the FDA and the CDC. Then on to country after country throughout the world. Not many parts have been spared on this planet.

Please type Johns Hopkins Covid Tracker into your browser. Johns Hopkins is a large teaching hospital in Maryland, rated number one in the U.S. for several years and it is known for it's research and it's ethics and it's expertise in many areas of medicine. It is not affiliated with the Federal Government.

While we are all feeling good about blaming China and Fauci for creating this weapon, let's not forget who was in charge and allowed the USA to be attacked with a biological weapon and did nothing about it (except whine).

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2007634)
Great, another fear porn Covid horror story to enjoy with my coffee.

You do realize you are preaching to an audience of villagers who are probably 95% vaccinated?

We have been bombarded with covid porn horror stories for a year and a half now and they accomplish nothing.

If you are under 50 your chances of dying from covid are 25/100,000. If you are under 65 your chances of dying from influenza and pnuemonia are close to 100/100,000 That's 5 times the rate for covid.

If you are one of the over 100 million americans who have survived covid, your chances of reinfection and death are close to zero.

If you are over 65, and have never had covid, you should (in order of effectiveness)

1. Get fully vaccinated, and get booster shot when available
2. Practice social distancing, even with friends who are vaccinated
3. Lose some freakin weight, 42% of you are obese
4. Wear an N95 mask when indoors with others.

Old people have a right to be afraid of covid. They do not have a right to insist that the young and healthy or covid survivors get vaccinated. Instead of whining about others, try eating more healthy foods, take walks, go swimming, ride a bike etc.

Except for some island nations in the south pacific, and Kuwait, Americans are the fattest country on earth. Which is a major reason why we have had so many deaths from covid.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

Covid: CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized were overweight or obese

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC.

Most Obese Countries 2021

QuickStats: Death Rates from Influenza and Pneumonia Among Persons Aged ≥65 Years, by Sex and Age Group — National Vital Statistics System, United States, 2018 | MMWR

I just made an early New Years' resolution .....to NEVER read another post with the term "covid-porn" in it. Something abnormal about that!

Rose Ann Vinci Igoe 09-21-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2007348)
I have never done a cut-and-paste from a published article, but that's the only way I could do this. Unlike other cut-and-pastes I have seen that often do not cite the source, I will do so. . .

This is what is known to research as a primary source. Primary sources are defined as first-hand accounts of a topic by people who had a connection with it.

The following article was published in the Op-Ed section of the LA Times, August 26, 2021. The writer is Karen Gallardo, a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.

(In spite of the disagreements we Villagers can have sometimes on TOTV, I think most of us have sense enough to have been vaccinated. We duly vaccinated, older and (sometimes) wiser, people do not seem to be the age-group that welcomed Covid back to another rampant run.

I have boomer friends who cannot get their adult children to be vaccinated -- not to protect their own children, not to protect themselves, and not to protect their "old" parents. Family dynamics for some are getting downright weird. . .but. . .I digress.)

Here's the article. Read it and weep.

Boomer



Op-Ed: On the front lines, here’s what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


I’m a respiratory therapist. With the fourth wave of the pandemic in full swing, fueled by the highly contagious Delta variant, the trajectory of the patients I see, from admission to critical care, is all too familiar. When they’re vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone.

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.


Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.

Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.

Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.
We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.

Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.

If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.

Karen Gallardo is a respiratory therapist at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
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great article... I copied it and posted it to my friends. thank you

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IMPidd (Post 2007661)
I agree, great piece of propaganda...convincing argument designed to support a believed "Truth"... One's "Truth" is what you believe " IS TRUTH"... Must remember Education and Intelligence are not the same commodity...both often mascarade as the other...some are educated beyond their intelligence... Few have both in proper proportion to dicect passionate but fraudulent stories. Human nature leads people to be bias to popular "Truths" so to part of the majority...safety in numbers...600 years ago Settled Science held the Earth was flat with the Sun in orbit... Safe belief as contract position could be fatal...fast forward to Modern Science... Today we are being "Educated" that mandatory MASK Requirements will PROTECT the previously vaccinated from Covid..( VP Harris)... Question???? Where is the Intelligence..? Make up your own mind... PS .If you believe YOU need a Booster to protect me...I prefer you isolate in your home and call Doordash to deliver your food.....Peace

Twisting themselves inside out to dispute a thread about a REAL hospital worker's lived, vivid experience. Next, we will be told that she is on Dr. Fauci's payroll so she just LIED.

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007716)
How do the unvaccinated hurt you? Following the science, the vaccinated carry as much of a viral load as the unvaccinated. People need to stop the bullying.

They hurt me because I do NOT live in Denmark or New Zealand or any other low UNvacinated country, which have returned to NORMAL. The US is desperately NOT NORMAL because of the anti-vaxxers. That's why!!!!!!!!

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2007732)
Population of Denmark = LESS THAN 6 million

Good for Denmark. NYC has a larger population.
It is rumored that The Villages has a vaccination rate of around 85%.
CV is NOT gaining in strength. It has gained in the infection rate.

Since we have millions flowing into our country via the Southern border, we must make room for them, so Covid is working slowly but fairly efficiently. After all, with Global Warming :1rotfl: the tree huggers should be very happy. Less bodies to produce flatulence.

The total population of Denmark does NOT MATTER in any way when you express the PERCENTAGE of the population that is vaccinated. That is why I bothered to put in %. The point is that Denmark is full of ROCKET SCIENTISTS compared to the US, which has a high % of illiterates that won't bother to study Medical Science, when foxy Loxcy and Qanon and other dark sites have STOLEN their minds!
.......And I agree that the southern border could cause a surge from UNvaccinated alien "tourists".

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2007734)
Let us not ignore the damage of staying up late watching TV. In cold war Romania, the dictator Ceausescu use to have the TV stations turned off at 10:30 every weeknight because as their dictator he knew it was best for them. If he did not they may stay up late watching TV and cause accidents, harming themselves and others at work. Wouldn't shock me if a few here think that is a great idea. Don't lives matter.

And that really rebutted well the ideas presented by Boomer and the RT hospital lady in the introductory thread!

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mayes (Post 2007744)
I disagree. That is not a reason for vaccine mandates.

As has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam, the federal government has no place in trying to issue a national mandate. They never have and, in my opinion, would never stand up constitutionally. If individual states wish to do so, they can for those institutions that are under their control.

Mandates, such as vaccine requirements are a slippery slope. What you deem as a public health necessity can be be contorted by others in the future to impose mandates that you may very well find inappropriate or invasive.

My philosophy is to take care of yourself to the point possible and let others make their own decisions.

Sad. Empathy has DIED and "greed is good" has taken its place!

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2007754)
Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

I agree with the content of this post! Good one!

Eg_cruz 09-21-2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2007492)
I’m all for the Regeneron treatment for anyone who qualifies for it. It is a wonderful thing that there is a treatment that works for Covid.

Does this Regeneron treatment have FULL FDA APPROVAL like the Pfizer vaccine does? Just wondering.

It has been around for years…..this was not developed for Covid. Up the treatment works great for it

golfing eagles 09-21-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2007823)
It has been around for years…..this was not developed for Covid. Up the treatment works great for it

Didn't answer her question. Why not? I think we all know the answer to that.

Eg_cruz 09-21-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2007813)
They hurt me because I do NOT live in Denmark or New Zealand or any other low UNvacinated country, which have returned to NORMAL. The US is desperately NOT NORMAL because of the anti-vaxxers. That's why!!!!!!!!

Stop it that is simply a bunch of crap…….some of you have just lost your common sense

jimjamuser 09-21-2021 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2007828)
Stop it that is simply a bunch of crap…….some of you have just lost your common sense

I have to say that my "common sense" is WELL above average. If scientists find a way to measure that like IQ, I would love to defend a challenge like that. And there are 7 stages of grief and now 7 stages of Covid as explained in a wonderful thread starter. God loves his hospital staff personnel and especially that Respiratory Therapist from L.A.


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